herd immunity

[Cooterpoot]

Did someone say Turd immunity?
https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/othe...hrough-farts-says-doctor/ar-BB12GLUT?ocid=sf2

 

[Len2003]

But ******** can't be arsed to wear a 17ing mask and then want ***** about how the economy is going to hell in a hand basket. Pick 1: a mild inconvenience or shutdowns. Throw your idealogical nitpicks out the window and wear the damn mask. Some of us want things to get back to somewhat normal before a vaccine (assuming one happens).

Exactly. These grandstanding idiots are ridiculous. They want attention. It's like a bunch of toddlers that aren't going to do something just because you told them to. Just wear the effing mask, so we can all get on with our lives.

 

[msstate7]

Are you personally offering yourself or your family to die in an attempt to reach herd immunity without a vaccine?

I suppose I am offering myself. I have continued to work every day (thank God)... I haven't been in a bunker waiting on a cure.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Are you personally offering yourself or your family to die in an attempt to reach herd immunity without a vaccine?

Are you personally offering to pay for everyone’s family that’s going to be without a job if we don’t? As you go out on the “front lines” of a virus that probably has the kill rate of a common cold for someone your age, other people are actually going to be going through a real front line of not having **** to eat or a roof over their head. Grow up.

 

[Captain Ron]

I suppose I am offering myself. I have continued to work every day (thank God)... I haven't been in a bunker waiting on a cure.

Exactly this. Some of us are considered essential and can’t work from home. Are the “who are you willing to sacrifice” crowd also suggesting that farmers, food processors, medical staff etc should all stay home too? Do their lives and families count less?

I still not seeing anyone from this group produce a realistic blueprint for the endgame. Wear a mask, SIP, keep most things closed.... specifically until “X” number of cases? Days? Vaccine? And then explain where the money will come from to support that many people across the world. I say world, because their lives are just as important right?

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Guess what. SCHOOL is essential! Our future is going to depend on those young people who are currently falling behind in their education. Some parents have not spent much time educating the younger ones during this. I see it in my neighborhood as kids were playing all day long. Mommas and Daddies have to work these days. The kids will need to make up work which ain’t going go over if some have to repeat a grade, or 2019/20 3rd graders have to start as 3rd graders again this fall and transition to the next grade somehow Mid-school year. How will that be done? Who creates the curriculum for that, the Feds, the States, or the School Districts?

 

[mstateglfr]

Guess what. SCHOOL is essential! Our future is going to depend on those young people who are currently falling behind in their education. Some parents have not spent much time educating the younger ones during this. I see it in my neighborhood as kids were playing all day long. Mommas and Daddies have to work these days. The kids will need to make up work which ain’t going go over if some have to repeat a grade, or 2019/20 3rd graders have to start as 3rd graders again this fall and transition to the next grade somehow Mid-school year. How will that be done? Who creates the curriculum for that, the Feds, the States, or the School Districts?

I'll answer most of this ramble.

- if kids are running around during the day, then they need to learn in the evening. Parents work and everyone's situation is different, so schedules need to be flexible. If 3-4 hours of schoolwork a day needs to happen after work hours, then that's how the evenings should be spent. And spend a couple hours during each weekend day to handle the remaining balance of school lessons.

- in the fall, some kids will be behind compared to if school had continued as normal this spring. This learning gap will be addressed differently from state to state and district to district. Some will effectively create a trimester where the lost spring '20 lessons are taught next year in addition to what would normally be taught. This is one of many initiatives that many districts and teachers are working on right now- planning for how to teach what was lost. Its also one of the many reasons why it was important to have governors finally call 'done' on this school year- it allowed resources to spend more time on what is coming up.

- as for who creates the curriculum- its a combination of district, state, and federal. But its mostly districts(at least in my state) since wach district has its own books, resources, etc.

- this is all being created from nothing in record time. Districts are having to figure out how to comply with federal education laws(iep for example) in a remote environment. Districts are also having to plan for how to socially distance students in an effective manner next year, if they are following the proposed CDC plan for opening schools. Staggered bus schedules, staggered school days, block scheduling to reduce hallway traffic, etc.
A lot of this is districts are both waiting for and pushing school board associations(advisory and support organization) to create policies since school boards need the policies to comply with all the varying laws.

Hope this helps clarify your questions.

 

[blacklistedbully]

We need 200 million infected to reach herd immunity. If the fatality rate is 0.5%, we need 1 million people to die to reach herd immunity. Is this acceptable?

Can't reasonably make this equation an argument unless you also factor in the lives & families lost and/or destroyed by continuing to allow our economy to go down the crapper.

Let me ask you a question. How much are you willing to risk if it comes down to losing everything else you, your family & friends have and own besides your lives? How many deaths are acceptable when the equation includes you being able to feed yourself and your family...pay your mortgage...own your car and put gas in it...send your kids to school...help your parents financially in their golden years, etc?

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

That is true and a vaccine certainly is the quickest way to get there.

Another approach is that you let the people who are the least risk of complications, continue on with their life and allow that segment of the “herd” build up immunity. This is exactly what Sweden has done and they have not had the exponential spike in cases predicted and have not overwhelmed their health care systems. The IHME model was so far off on Sweden it was laughable. Of course it predicted gloom and doom for Georgia when restrictions were relaxed and now has been downgraded again. ... but I’ll leave that topic for another day.

We make so many decisions these days because of models and polls. There was another article today about how far off The Imperial Model used by the UK and the US is. All the global warming models from 10 to 15 years ago have been proven wrong. All the polls said Hillary was going to win in a landslide. When are we going to realize that most of these guesses are no better than the old soothsayers. So many of these things have an agenda behind them or are soured because of unrealized bias. This is that false sense of control that Humans have and desire. We think we can control some many things we have no control over. We are proven wrong time and time again, but we come out with the new poll and a new model and believe that one all over again. If they told everyone tomorrow that they have a COVID-19 vaccine people would believe it. There would tell us it works and just ignore those 20 to 60 thousand deaths each year like we do with the flu. All of life is a risk, we just believe it's not.

 

[OldFatDog]

Containment measures. If everyone wears a mask, the transmission rate is 1.5% between 2 people. Wearing a mask is an extremely small trade off to try to get things back to normal.

but, but ..... FREEDOM!!!!**

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Herd Immunity requires 60% of population to get infected/exposed according to an Immunologist on Sirius/XM.

 

[kired]

We're not well on the way. Only 0.5% of the population has confirmed had the virus so far. We've got a LONG way to go before this is over, barring a major medical breakthrough.

Long way to go before it’s over, but my point is there’s no turning back now for the US. Some countries have supposedly sheltered a lot more severely and longer than we have to pretty much stop the spread. We didn’t stop the spread. We slowed it, and now we’re opening back up while this continues to spread. It may take 6 months, it may take 18 months. But if any major country reaches herd immunity it’s going to be the US.

 

[patdog]

What I am personally doing is supporting local businesses to the extent I reasonably can while still socially distancing as much as I reasonably can. Maybe I'll catch the virus, and maybe my family will too. But the alternative is imprisoning all of us in our homes for potentially years until we all starve because there's no food supply. That doesn't really sound like a good option to me.

 

[mstateglfr]

What I am personally doing is supporting local businesses to the extent I reasonably can while still socially distancing as much as I reasonably can. Maybe I'll catch the virus, and maybe my family will too. But the alternative is imprisoning all of us in our homes for potentially years until we all starve because there's no food supply. That doesn't really sound like a good option to me.

When did that become the alternative?

 

[wsjmsu75]

All of this just sucks. I'm praying for a quick turnaround on a vaccine. If I get it between now and then, whatever. I'm okay with my odds (although I prefer to not press them). I'm pissed that my parents and in-laws are holed up in the house away from their only granddaughter. All are recently retired and supposed to be enjoying their golden years. They worked hard for it and now are in limbo with no control over their lives after looking forward to that stage of freedom for decades. It just sucks.

You have described my situation exactly. I retired at the end of 2018. Now I can't see my grandkids in Mobile I just joined Facebook for the first time so I can keep up with my family down there. It sucks.

 

[patdog]

When the alternative because for everyone to shut down and lock themselves in their houses. How are you going to go to the grocery store if there's no one there to run it?