Help me understand offensive basket interference/goaltending

[WeepNoMore]

I am not complaining about the officiating in the UK-UNC game, though I could.

I would like some help from those posters who have worked as referees in college or high school games or who are intimately knowledgeable concerning the rules in understanding offensive basket interference/goaltending as it relates to two situations in the UK-UNC game.

First, Bam's put back that was disallowed: It appeared to me that (1) less than 10% of the ball was in the cylinder rising above the rim, (2) in the neighborhood of 40% of the ball was below the plane running parallel to the floor and through the rim and (3) the ball was not in contact with the rim, when Bam cradled the ball and stuffed it back through the basket. There was simply no way the ball had a chance of going through the rim. Was the position of the ball technically sufficient to disallow Bam's putback????

Second, the dunk by the UNC player where he hung on the rim while the ball bounced in and out and around the basket before falling through: I think that, normally, offensive basket interference can and should be called when an offensive player touches the rim, or even the net, while the ball is in the cylinder above the rim. I also realize that players are allowed to hang on the rim during a dunk when they have no place to land or must do so to avoid a potentially injury-sustaining fall. Hanging on the rim during this particular dunk by the UNC player did not appear to warrant either of these exclusions. With the ball essentially "in play" as it bounced around and above the rim while the UNC player was hanging on the rim, should offensive basket interference have been called??? And if not, why not???

Thanks in advance for your explanations.

 

[JonathanW_rivals]

I think, maybe I'm wrong, part of the goal-tending rule is that "there is a chance that the ball could go through the rim, then it is goal-tending". There was 0% chance that Bam's tip-in would have gone in if left alone. I don't know about 40% below the rim, but a significant part of the ball was below the rim and I would say even less than 10% was above the rim.

On Maye's dunk, I've seen that called basket interference before, and I've seen them that let go before. They let it go this time. But technically by the rules, it probably was interference. That one I probably wouldn't think twice about them allowing, had they not called Bam on the less obvious offense earlier.

 

[poppycat]

If Maye's hand had retouched the ball after the dunk, it would be goal tending.
Bam's tip would not have been if we had the "right" offical.

 

[dreadpirate_rivals241225]

I know a rule is a rule, but to me the whole concept of offensive basket interference is ridiculous.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

I know a rule is a rule, but to me the whole concept of offensive basket interference is ridiculous.

Go to the euro system, after it hits the rim you're allowed to smack it off. It'd make basketball..... interesting

 

[kb22stang]

https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104883/Library/files/BR15.pdf page 88

The dunk where he hung on the rim shouldn't have counted. (Basket interference occurs when a player: Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder)

Bam's play was basket interference as well, barely: Basket interference occurs when a player:Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has thering as its lower base;

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[WeepNoMore]

Thanks for the responses.

 

[skcatfan]

It's hard to believe that tipping a ball BELOW the rim can be considered goaltending. If it was the only questionable call that didn't go our way then no big deal. But it was far from being the only bad call that went against us. After this screw job I highly doubt we see Higgins ref another UK game again.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

I know a rule is a rule, but to me the whole concept of offensive basket interference is ridiculous.

It actually is. Isn't the GD object of the game to put the ball in the basket?

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104883/Library/files/BR15.pdf page 88

The dunk where he hung on the rim shouldn't have counted. (Basket interference occurs when a player: Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder)

Bam's play was basket interference as well, barely: Basket interference occurs when a player:Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has thering as its lower base;

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Bam's play isn't my main gripe about first half points being taken away. It was Hawkins' and one being waived off while he was already in shooting motion. That and Bam being fouled by Meeks on the block and getting no call but then they call Bam for over the back when he tips it in. Unreal.

 

[MarkPftw]

https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104883/Library/files/BR15.pdf page 88

The dunk where he hung on the rim shouldn't have counted. (Basket interference occurs when a player: Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder)

Bam's play was basket interference as well, barely: Basket interference occurs when a player:Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has thering as its lower base;

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Thanks and you're right. But if Bam's was taken off the scoreboard, then Maye's DEFINITELY should have.

 

[skcatfan]

Bam's play isn't my main gripe about first half points being taken away. It was Hawkins' and one being waived off while he was already in shooting motion. That and Bam being fouled by Meeks on the block and getting no call but then they call Bam for over the back when he tips it in. Unreal.

The play where Meeks goes for a rebound over Briscoe's back had way more contact than what Bam did and there was no call on that play. Meeks should've been on the bench in foul trouble the entire game.

 

[TortElvisII]

Maye committed offensive interference on his dunk.

 

[jc2010]

The play where Meeks goes for a rebound over Briscoe's back had way more contact than what Bam did and there was no call on that play. Meeks should've been on the bench in foul trouble the entire game.

If Meeks had played for an SEC team he would have had less playing time, in conference, than SKJ.

 

[musrat59]

Meeks was moving people out with his lower body most of the game.

 

[Ugoff]

I saw Anas get called for interference in their game vs. Michigan on a similar play, although he reached above the basket while holding onto the rim and tipped the ball. IMO Maye's case was enough to call it based on the rule cited above.

I though the Bam tip in was technically basket interference, since a very small part of the ball was in in the cylinder. If the uni's had been reversed in that situation I don't think the call would have been made.

As far as basket interference, I don't want a situation where a ball is rolling around the rim and an offensive player could just reach up and tap it in. Seems to me that would remove some of the skill from the game.

 

[JohnnyGentle]

It was Hawkins' and one being waived off while he was already in shooting motion.

completely forgot about this one

then in the second half they gave maye the and 1 in almost the same spot, when the foul should have been on the floor

 

[larry the cable guy]

I think they have gotten lax on the goaltending rule. I can remember they would call it if an opponent slapped the backboard and caused the goal to shake a few years ago. Now that happens all the time but they are too worried about if a guy has his hand on the offensive guys hip 35 feet from the basket to call those things.

 

[EliteBlue]

It's hard to believe that tipping a ball BELOW the rim can be considered goaltending. If it was the only questionable call that didn't go our way then no big deal. But it was far from being the only bad call that went against us. After this screw job I highly doubt we see Higgins ref another UK game again.

Really?? You have too much faith. He did the job they wanted him to do and was rewarded with the final 4. Everyone else thinks it was all fine and dandy including some "UK fans".

My personal opinion is that we will start getting a better draw and not the intentional screwjob when Mark emmert isn't the pres of the NCAA anymore. Every since the Jones recruitment followed by taking Kanter from UW as well he has had it out for Cal and UK. That's why they were so petty about the 500 win celebration as well.

 

[*CatinIL*]

https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104883/Library/files/BR15.pdf page 88

The dunk where he hung on the rim shouldn't have counted. (Basket interference occurs when a player: Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder)
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That's the one that pissed me off the most. The UNC guy went for the dunk, missed it, pulled down on the rim then the ball goes in. That should not have counted.

 

[CapnBlubs]

I think by rule, both should have been called.

But I also think the rule should be different with regard to the cylinder, because in Bam's case, the fact that part of the ball was both outside AND below the ring meant it no longer had a chance to go in. That should negate the fact that a tiny other portion was still in the cylinder.

 

[Soupbean]

I think the idea behind the rule of no touching if any part of the ball is still over or in contact with the rim is to keep defenders especially from swatting balls off the rim all the time they roll around the rim. They don't want the refs having to constantly make calls whether they think it had a chance to go in or not so they set the boundary of "don't touch any balls until they get clear of the cylinder above or beside.

And the general test for that is like the goal line in football. Pretend like the rim had an invisible cylinder like a toilet paper roll going up from the rim to the ceiling. If you froze the ball at the point it was touched then set that toilet paper roll down on the rim and it touched the ball in any way then they see it as not yet outside the boundary and will usually call it goal tending whether it had a chance to go in or not.

My opinion, clearly the ball was on the way out and since Bam clearly made an effort to leave it alone as long as he could it could have been let go and not called, but technically a small portion of the ball was still over the edge of the rim or touching the rim and it could have been called.