does not increase the risk of college aged athletes acting as "vectors" to the rest of the population as one poster has suggested on here. College aged kids, not just athletes, are already spreading the virus around just by doing what people their age do. The only way to stop it is to lock them up. IMO, the idea that keeping colleges and sports shut down will decrease the spread of the virus is ludicrous. Time to get the kids on campus and let them get on with their lives. There are ways to mitigate risk for staff, profs and coaches. IF a Dr. I "know" can safely treat multiple COVID-19 patients EVERY day of the week, I would think we could figure out a way to protect a professor or janitor.
Having college sports IMO
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Will get a lot of useful info out of Texas-Florida and Arizona who have adopted more laissez faire approaches
I'm not advocating for full blown open bars and restaurants. IMO that's asking for trouble because they're frequented by many people who are at risk of getting seriously ill. I think that's why Houston is pulling in the reins some on that. Make no mistake whether or not anybody will admit it, the protests did spread virus. The point to me is, we're not really doing anything positive by keeping college aged kids at home. They're going to do what they're going to regardless if it's at home or at school. I see it every day when I go out and about around town. Athletes are already getting infected from their peers. Sure sports might increase how quickly they get exposed, but IMO they'll all have been exposed by the time a vaccine rolls out anyway. Mitigate risk to professors. Build plexiglass shields if need be. They're mic'd up anyway. Do some of the lectures via the internet. My kid is not able to do the research for classes though without Harvard's library. It doesn't work.
Significant amounts of YOung People being hospitalized. IF they run out of hospital space look out, young people needing hospitalizton death rates could go up. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/hospitals-seeing-influx-of-younger-covid-19-patients/2250862/
It seems like a new thread is started daily concerning playing sports, attending classes and CV19 spread. Without a vaccine, everyone should expose them self to the virus and then obtain immunity. Heck when I was growing up, my mom made sure if anyone had measles, mumps or chicken pox she made sure I had a play date.
ZERO 18-25 year old otherwise healthy people. When they're saying younger, they're talking 30s and 40s and a very few in their late 20s. I guarantee you that anybody in their late 20s getting hospitalized has another problem besides this virus. Did you even read the article?
Any plan that involves intensive testing of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic persons - which are all the plans I have heard of - is not compatible with having a season
these plans were put in place because of the believe that young healthy persons didn’t get the virus because young healthy persons weren’t getting sick - as testing has ramped up to include asymptomatic people they are discovering that many young people are testing +. I have not heard of a plan that deals with the scenario of many players testing + but are otherwise healthy. If the plan is to quarantine those players for extended periods then again I don’t see how we will have sports.
in other jobs - health care - high school practices - school openings the plan is to screen for symptoms and test if indicated.
Any plan that involves intensive testing of asymptomatic people is doomed
these plans were put in place because of the believe that young healthy persons didn’t get the virus because young healthy persons weren’t getting sick - as testing has ramped up to include asymptomatic people they are discovering that many young people are testing +. I have not heard of a plan that deals with the scenario of many players testing + but are otherwise healthy. If the plan is to quarantine those players for extended periods then again I don’t see how we will have sports.
in other jobs - health care - high school practices - school openings the plan is to screen for symptoms and test if indicated.
Any plan that involves intensive testing of asymptomatic people is doomed
A new one gets started because somebody always gets their panties in the wad and turns the earlier one in to a political pissing match. The guidelines being laid out to continue workouts etc aren't really feasible IMO and I'm not sure who they think they're protecting. The guidelines are set up to fail. They assume that Bobby Runfast isn't out partying a couple of times a week with his buddies or girls. The only way you keep them from getting exposed is to lock them up and even then they would find a way to get infected. It's an illogical battle IMO.
IMO, any plan that treats this for 18 to 25 year olds any different than we treat them with the flu, is going to fail. It's a set up to fail.
I don’t know what the right answer is but as I said intensive testing is going to produce a lot of 18-25 with + results and I don’t think there is a plan to effectively deal with that scenario other than to shut things down.
if they want to maximize the chances of playing they need to switch strategies to daily symptom screening and testing with + screens. This is the approach that most places outside of sports is taking.
asymptomatic people aren’t tested before they get on a plane - they are screened based on symptoms
Moral of the story: take an antihistamine, decongestant and tylenol before you head to the airport. Winking IF I decide to fly, I'll assume that somebody on that plane is probably going to be shedding the virus and will expose me.
Did I miss a "BOOM" thread???? I couldn't find this kid anywhere on rivals. Must be a silent commit.
Why don’t we just treat it like the chicken pox, get all the kids in one room get em sick and the quarantine them for 14 days... let them all get their immune systems exposed to it and fight it... they’re all young and healthy most will probably barely symptoms... they get their immunity get healthy before the season and can still play... boom problem solved
Many covid survivors have permanent lung damage and report shortness of breath that remains months after infection. You don’t want your entire football team completely gassed before halftime, let alone kids having lung damage the rest of their lives from playing a game. Finally, people who were sick with covid once are getting it again, so there goes that whole herd immunity thing we were all hoping for. This pandemic is turning out to be a real *****.
I was meaning this more on a sarcastic side, I’m purely getting tired of hearing all the speculation on if there will be a season or not lol... i apologize if my sarcastic nature wasn’t easily identified in that post
Again, previously healthy 18 to 25 year olds are not experiencing that. Many people want to equate what is happening across the board for all ages and it simply is not the case. There's debate about whether or not people are actually getting it "again" or if they're immunocompromised and not actually eliminating the virus completely from their system. We've got a lot of people who have crappy diets and get almost zero sunshine walking around in this country. There's a lot of people who are vitamins C and D deficient walking around and both of those vitamins are essential for our immune system's health. On top of those, it appears that adequate Zinc levels are important as well with this virus in particular. I would venture that there's lots of people short on that as well. Many farmers add Zinc and Selenium now to their fertilizer blends because there's insufficient levels of those in their soil now. Livestock producers often need to add vitamin E and Selenium to their rations now because of deficient levels.. ALL of those potential deficiencies can lead to a lowered ability to fight off infections.
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Another huge factor in all this is deaths. For whatever reason this thing seems to be getting significantly less deadly although we are seeing the same amount of cases. We have seen a steady decline in daily deaths since the beginning of May. So either this means this has mutated to become less deadly which is s a great sign or the earlier death stats were being over inflated and deaths from other factors such as flu were being labeled Covid deaths. Either way it makes this even less scary. Yes it is easily spread, Yes the high risk population should should take precautions. For the average person under 60 this shouldn't consume your daily life with fear and dread. The average hospitalization rate is 94 for every 100,000. That means you have a .09% chance of being put in the hospital from Covid. Even for those 65 or older the odds of being hospitalized is .2%.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html For 99% of people who get this you will either have no to mild symptoms or you will feel like crap for a week or so. Like any other Flu type illness you will get over it and go about your daily life. This issue is the media isn't covering the hundreds of thousands or million who have it and get better at home. They haven't focused on the millions who are better. They are focused and reporting on the very small % who are hospitalized and die. This gives the false perception that things are WAY worse than they really are. This can be said for many other things the media focuses on but will leave that alone.
Bottom line there are many many many things in this world that can kill us. We can't shut the whole world down and lock ourselves away in our houses for every one of them. For 17-23 year old kids they probably have better odds of being killing driving to practice than Covid.
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But I believe in the daily symptom screening situations, they are taking additional measures like social distancing, right?
I believe they are assuming people are being responsible - social distancing etc - many aren’t.
I am not necessarily arguing that intensive testing shouldn’t take place - just that I am having a hard time reconciling the extensive testing strategy with the ability to have college football as there are going to be a lot of positives that can’t be ignored - even if asymptomatic.
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You are well informed, my question is can a person who contacted the virus in January but wasn’t tested till now show a positive?
I am not in the medical field. IMO the only way this is going away is by 2 options. #1 we develop a vaccine. This is just me but I am not going anywhere near a vaccine that is developed and tested in only 12-18 months. Maybe it is worth the risk for some. Also the vaccine is only effective if a certain portion of the population get it. I have to assume many are in the same line of thinking as me and will not get the vaccine.
Measles was very infections an estimated 10-15 people were infected by one. So to achieve heard immunity through vaccine about 90-95% of the population needed to be vaccinated. I haven't seen the latest numbers on Covid. I think it is around 2-4 people are infect by 1 person.Since it isn't nearly and infectious as measles Im going to assume not as many would need vaccinated to achieve heard immunity. Maybe 30-40% of the population. Not sure if that many would get it? Maybe?
The 2nd option is to achieve heard immunity naturally. Keeping everyone locked inside is the opposite way to accomplish this. To do this relativity safely is to minimize risk to the high risk individuals. Let everyone else go about their lives as close to normal as possible. Let those who are young and health spread it with minimal symptoms to help achieve heard immunity. Approximately 16-20% of the population is 65 and older. Even if we took precautions for those 50+ and for those with high risk. That still leave about 50-60% of the population that could get this with minimal symptoms. This I would think would be enough to achieve heard immunity.
Measles was very infections an estimated 10-15 people were infected by one. So to achieve heard immunity through vaccine about 90-95% of the population needed to be vaccinated. I haven't seen the latest numbers on Covid. I think it is around 2-4 people are infect by 1 person.Since it isn't nearly and infectious as measles Im going to assume not as many would need vaccinated to achieve heard immunity. Maybe 30-40% of the population. Not sure if that many would get it? Maybe?
The 2nd option is to achieve heard immunity naturally. Keeping everyone locked inside is the opposite way to accomplish this. To do this relativity safely is to minimize risk to the high risk individuals. Let everyone else go about their lives as close to normal as possible. Let those who are young and health spread it with minimal symptoms to help achieve heard immunity. Approximately 16-20% of the population is 65 and older. Even if we took precautions for those 50+ and for those with high risk. That still leave about 50-60% of the population that could get this with minimal symptoms. This I would think would be enough to achieve heard immunity.
I see your point. I pretty much agree with you. I also think that asymptomatic carriers are likely to pass on the virus, especially careless young people so testing is important in that regard. Of course, there's a lot we still do not know about this virus. Anyone who acts like they've got all of this figured out is full of sh#t.
You normally test for the antibodies specific to the virus which tells you the person had some exposure and probably has some immunity now.. Some people could also test positive to the antigen test for 6-7 weeks after the original infection due to the fact that the body may still have pieces of dead virus circulating in their system. This virus gets inside cells many of which live for many weeks. Then as those cells die off and are replaced, the old cells disintegrate releasing the dead virus in the process. One of the original guys who got shipped to Nebraska for quarantine tested positive for over 40 days after he felt better. They determined it to be dead viral particles. That was also the case in those people in South Korea who they thought had been re-infected. It turned out they had been infected with something else causing respiratory symptoms but didn't have an active COVID infection.