Has OAD Destroyed

[cathouse_rivals216755]

Three of the top programs in NCAA history?

Duke sucks
North Carolina sucks.
And we surely suck.

I think some of the most damning evidence that overloading a roster with OAD players is not a sustainable system for success is reflected in the downfall of these once great programs.

And we are the poster child for that demise.

 

[Blue Wildcat]

UNC no, the cheating scandal got them. UK and Duke, yes without a doubt.

 

[Wunky]

UNC no, the cheating scandal got them. UK and Duke, yes without a doubt.

Got them how? They won a title in the midst of the scandal and, other than a few million bucks, didn’t have to forfeit anything. Not wins, not titles, not scholarships, not their cheating coach... not even their academic accreditation.

 

[BlueBomb]

Yes, I think that OAD most definitely decimated our program. Duke is not nearly in the same shape as we are and UNC never completely sold their soul to the OAD recruit. Of course, they sold their souls decades ago at a different crossroads.

 

[Blue Wildcat]

To add to it, it was sustainable when we were the only option. Everyone will take a high profile 1 and done player now and the G-League is a better option for those wanting money now. Liangelo Ball just wrote the story on how to go overseas and get paid on draft night. Too many options for these kids and Cal hasn’t shifted his approach and still believes we eat first.

 

[Blue Wildcat]

Got them how? They won a title in the midst of the scandal and, other than a few million bucks, didn’t have to forfeit anything. Not wins, not titles, not scholarships, not their cheating coach... not even their academic accreditation.

They struggled getting players-kids were uncomfortable going there thinking they were landing on probation.

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

Yes, I think that OAD most definitely decimated our program. Duke is not nearly in the same shape as we are and UNC never completely sold their soul to the OAD recruit. Of course, they sold their souls decades ago at a different crossroads.

Duke and K are just a shadow of the program they were prior to the Zi-on fiasco.

K sold his soul to the devil for that group of OAD hoping to steal another NC so that he could retire as the King of Basketball.

Instead, he is going so have to crawl out on his belly like a snake.

Not sure how the OAD is going to end for Cal, but it is going to end. The clothes are falling off the Emporer and full exposure is near.

 

[LmdCat]

Duke and K are just a shadow of the program they were prior to the Zi-on fiasco.

K sold his soul to the devil for that group of OAD hoping to steal another NC so that he could retire as the King of Basketball.

Instead, he is going so have to crawl out on his belly like a snake.

Not sure how the OAD is going to end for Cal, but it is going to end. The clothes are falling off the Emporer and full exposure is near.

Cal is just being revealed for who he really is. He has always attempted to overcome his lack of coaching with superior talent. He was able to do so until Duke started kicking his butt at recruiting.

 

[DraftCat]

Eh I lay 75% of the blame with the NBA/NCAA. They created this 1 n done monster.

College basketball is fixable you just have to implement the baseball 3 year rule. If that were to happen I wouldn't want Coach Cal as our commander and chief however.

 

[LmdCat]

They didn't make Cal use it. If not for Cal, it wouldn't be in college basketball, at least not to the extreme Cal uses them.

 

[420grover]

Coach K was thought to be nearing the end in 2009, I'd say that one year where everything is way out of whack isn't a real indicator. If they continue to suck then yes.

UNC has only had 3 one and dones since it's been a rule.

 

[Juice79]

Most coaches keep them there a couple years. Some coaches push them out..

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

Eh I lay 75% of the blame with the NBA/NCAA. They created this 1 n done monster.

College basketball is fixable you just have to implement the baseball 3 year rule. If that were to happen I wouldn't want Coach Cal as our commander and chief however.

I totally agree on not wanting Cal to run a 4 year program.

First of all, I don't think Cal wants to run that kind of program. It is hard work to develop players and manage a full class roster.

Cal just doesn't seem to have enough "energy" to work that hard any more. I call it being complacent or worse, lazy.

It is much easier, and much more fun to jet all over the country watching AAU tournaments and being the biggest dog in the building. Cal's ego loves that status.

Being in a gym and conducting individual workouts for player development and improvement is not nearly as glamorous as recruiting.

Also, if Cal misses on a recruit, he just moves on to the next 5 star. Much easier than helping a player reach his potential by hard work and training.

Cal has implemented a system at UK that allows him to glory in the spotlight without putting in the time and effort required to manage a 4 year roster.

He does not want to go back. He loves OAD and all the glamor and notoriety that it brings to him. Feeds his ego.

 

[deep3]

Yes, I think that OAD most definitely decimated our program. Duke is not nearly in the same shape as we are and UNC never completely sold their soul to the OAD recruit. Of course, they sold their souls decades ago at a different crossroads.

Correct North Carolina has not went fully all in and as much as I can’t stand Deputy Dog Williams, he’s actually managed his program decently. They are not winning anything but they are not awful. Duke is teetering and getting close but the saving grace for them is they get such a favorable whistle because of Ratface they will win games and also he’s getting the top level talent more than our fearless leader. We are in a world of hurt because of his unwillingness to construct a team properly. Someone here said it earlier he only recruits based on the rating of the kid in order to win the top recruiting ranking every year.

 

[Dirt Court King]

I totally agree on not wanting Cal to run a 4 year program.

First of all, I don't think Cal wants to run that kind of program. It is hard work to develop players and manage a full class roster.

Cal just doesn't seem to have enough "energy" to work that hard any more. I call it being complacent or worse, lazy.

It is much easier, and much more fun to jet all over the country watching AAU tournaments and being the biggest dog in the building. Cal's ego loves that status.

Being in a gym and conducting individual workouts for player development and improvement is not nearly as glamorous as recruiting.

Also, if Cal misses on a recruit, he just moves on to the next 5 star. Much easier than helping a player reach his potential by hard work and training.

Cal has implemented a system at UK that allows him to glory in the spotlight without putting in the time and effort required to manage a 4 year roster.

He does not want to go back. He loves OAD and all the glamor and notoriety that it brings to him. Feeds his ego.

I agree with your statement, and being a regular old hard working coach is difficult when you work on developing players more than 1 year in college.... But often the results are satisfying..

 

[michael895]

If Duke can't do anything with Banchero, Griffin, and likely Baldwin then yes it has for Duke. UNC never really got into OAD's a whole lot and have been successful with multi-year guys.

 

[fredmanthecatfan]

One and Done is a misnomer. It implies that the NCAA has the authority to prevent it. It doesn’t. It also overlooks the fact that players that we assume or used to assume would stick around a few years often leave early. Any coach who refuses to recruit a player because they might leave early is going to have a short shelf life.
The issue is that the NBA has decided that they are willing to take kids that aren’t ready if they have potential. They do not care about the college game, and quite possibly, they are actively trying to sabotage it. That is the issue.

 

[deep3]

I totally agree on not wanting Cal to run a 4 year program.

First of all, I don't think Cal wants to run that kind of program. It is hard work to develop players and manage a full class roster.

Cal just doesn't seem to have enough "energy" to work that hard any more. I call it being complacent or worse, lazy.

It is much easier, and much more fun to jet all over the country watching AAU tournaments and being the biggest dog in the building. Cal's ego loves that status.

Being in a gym and conducting individual workouts for player development and improvement is not nearly as glamorous as recruiting.

Also, if Cal misses on a recruit, he just moves on to the next 5 star. Much easier than helping a player reach his potential by hard work and training.

Cal has implemented a system at UK that allows him to glory in the spotlight without putting in the time and effort required to manage a 4 year roster.

He does not want to go back. He loves OAD and all the glamor and notoriety that it brings to him. Feeds his ego.

Solid post and very very accurate my friend

 

[cathouse_rivals216755]

Correct North Carolina has not went fully all in and as much as I can’t stand Deputy Dog Williams, he’s actually managed his program decently. They are not winning anything but they are not awful. Duke is teetering and getting close but the saving grace for them is they get such a favorable whistle because of Ratface they will win games and also he’s getting the top level talent more than our fearless leader. We are in a world of hurt because of his unwillingness to construct a team properly. Someone here said it earlier he only recruits based on the rating of the kid in order to win the top recruiting ranking every year.

Cal taking the position that he has concerning the OAD players and presenting it as social justice to help change generational poverty for these players and their families is really helping to cement Cal's personal legacy as a coach.

What do you want to be remembered for? What were your accomplishments as a coach?

Cal has chosen SJW to build his legacy on at the expense of furthering UK Basketball legacy as the greatest college program of all time.

It is as much about Cal's personal self gratification even moreso than helping others in my opinion. Hope I am wrong but Cal's ego seems to be driving his personal short bus these days.

 

[Flipflopsandsocks]

Cal's stubbornness and 1990's offense is our problem. We have enough talent to win.

 

[billCgmx]

Run down the list of the best teams and see how many of them start multiple freshmen. Not defending Cal but the more experienced teams are dominating in this season where everyone is dealing with Covid.

 

[billCgmx]

 

[deep3]

Cal taking the position that he has concerning the OAD players and presenting it as social justice to help change generational poverty for these players and their families is really helping to cement Cal's personal legacy as a coach.

What do you want to be remembered for? What were your accomplishments as a coach?

Cal has chosen SJW to build his legacy on at the expense of furthering UK Basketball legacy as the greatest college program of all time.

It is as much about Cal's personal self gratification even moreso than helping others in my opinion. Hope I am wrong but Cal's ego seems to be driving his personal short bus these days.

 

[NoDef]

It's not destroyed the program. We were an overtime and ten minutes of Auburn somehow playing foul free basketball from being in the final four in our last tournament.. We struck out on our top ten recruits this year. If the immediate transfer rule stays in effect Cal can get the top talent and plug holes with experienced player via the transfer rule. If anything the transfer year will make the OAD that much better. I would like Cal to take a course in five out offense though. Quit playing so many bigs that have a shooting range of a layup..