Who are these Rutgers fans that don't want him on the team? I've never met one
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Another mindless thread....
Let's put it this way, since fans appear to somehow looking to Harper or Baker.
A) The two players in past years, had bad shooting nights OR missed games altogether and RU was still OK
B) The Harper/Baker combo shot 5/21 from the floor.....obviously not good.....but the final score or margin was 17 points....maybe it could have been 11 or 13 or 14.....
If they shot 10/21 combined, which is practically 50% and if 3 of those 5 additional shots were 3s, that's 9 points for the 3s....and 4 points for the 2s.....that's still 13 points when RU lost by 17.
Not a math guy, but a normal or good game from both and RU still loses by 4?? How does the original poster, start with Harper and Baker??
Where was Mulcahy......Cliff scored 12 points....what about Caleb, the other starter.....
What about players off the bench....Hyatt missed 2 threes in the last minute when the game was decided, prior to that he was 1 of 5....but he at least took the ball to the hoop and drew 2 fouls and earned 4 FT....he made 2 of the 4...
The bottom line is to the stats, you have Paul Mulcahy playing 30 minutes a game and averaging 6.7PPG.....Paul didn't score until there were 5 minutes left in the game, when it was apparent, he relapsed into inconsistent, passive Paul.....the Mulcahy who passes up wide open lanes, doesn't pump fake or draw enough fouls.....who teams consistently leave open and Mulcahy still isn't taking those shots.
The issue, is not asking/demanding Harper and Baker to carry Mulcahy, carry a bench of inconsistent scorers and carry teams on the road.
The issue from a strictly numbers game.....look at the stats vs per minutes played.
Should a player playing 30 minutes a game, average 6PPG.....
If Jacob Young played 30 minutes, would he average 6.7PPG......Nope....he averaged around 12 to 13 last year in those same amount of minutes.....
If Montez Mathis averaged 30 MPG, would he average 6.7PPG......Nope, he averaged more per minutes played than that, and would be in double figures as well......
If you look at the "Points per Minutes played"....
Hyatt is averaging 6PPG in 16 or 17 minutes a game.....common sense or high probability, is if he played 30 minutes, would he still be stuck at 6PPG....Nope.....he also would be around 12 PPG....
If Mag plays 30 MPG, I have a high confidence level, he would not average just 6.7PPG......he also would likely scrap his way to double figures per game......
Let's be objective and factual about what we are watching.....the issue should not be asking RHJ to shoot 50% from the field 20 out of 20 B1G games and average 20PPG....it should not ask Baker to shoot 50% from the field, 40% from 3, and average 16 to 18PPG....
Are we as fans allergic to why Mulcahy, as a starting junior and experienced player, who knows our system, can't pick up the slack?? Why is his lack of production, somehow ignored....??
Let me leave out the defense Mulcahy kinda doesn't play that well.....not his fault, he's not a great athlete.....but if his man constantly outscored what Mulcahy generates, why does that fall on Harper and Baker???
Fire away.....I'm here for the discussion......
Let's put it this way, since fans appear to somehow looking to Harper or Baker.
A) The two players in past years, had bad shooting nights OR missed games altogether and RU was still OK
B) The Harper/Baker combo shot 5/21 from the floor.....obviously not good.....but the final score or margin was 17 points....maybe it could have been 11 or 13 or 14.....
If they shot 10/21 combined, which is practically 50% and if 3 of those 5 additional shots were 3s, that's 9 points for the 3s....and 4 points for the 2s.....that's still 13 points when RU lost by 17.
Not a math guy, but a normal or good game from both and RU still loses by 4?? How does the original poster, start with Harper and Baker??
Where was Mulcahy......Cliff scored 12 points....what about Caleb, the other starter.....
What about players off the bench....Hyatt missed 2 threes in the last minute when the game was decided, prior to that he was 1 of 5....but he at least took the ball to the hoop and drew 2 fouls and earned 4 FT....he made 2 of the 4...
The bottom line is to the stats, you have Paul Mulcahy playing 30 minutes a game and averaging 6.7PPG.....Paul didn't score until there were 5 minutes left in the game, when it was apparent, he relapsed into inconsistent, passive Paul.....the Mulcahy who passes up wide open lanes, doesn't pump fake or draw enough fouls.....who teams consistently leave open and Mulcahy still isn't taking those shots.
The issue, is not asking/demanding Harper and Baker to carry Mulcahy, carry a bench of inconsistent scorers and carry teams on the road.
The issue from a strictly numbers game.....look at the stats vs per minutes played.
Should a player playing 30 minutes a game, average 6PPG.....
If Jacob Young played 30 minutes, would he average 6.7PPG......Nope....he averaged around 12 to 13 last year in those same amount of minutes.....
If Montez Mathis averaged 30 MPG, would he average 6.7PPG......Nope, he averaged more per minutes played than that, and would be in double figures as well......
If you look at the "Points per Minutes played"....
Hyatt is averaging 6PPG in 16 or 17 minutes a game.....common sense or high probability, is if he played 30 minutes, would he still be stuck at 6PPG....Nope.....he also would be around 12 PPG....
If Mag plays 30 MPG, I have a high confidence level, he would not average just 6.7PPG......he also would likely scrap his way to double figures per game......
Let's be objective and factual about what we are watching.....the issue should not be asking RHJ to shoot 50% from the field 20 out of 20 B1G games and average 20PPG....it should not ask Baker to shoot 50% from the field, 40% from 3, and average 16 to 18PPG....
Are we as fans allergic to why Mulcahy, as a starting junior and experienced player, who knows our system, can't pick up the slack?? Why is his lack of production, somehow ignored....??
Let me leave out the defense Mulcahy kinda doesn't play that well.....not his fault, he's not a great athlete.....but if his man constantly outscored what Mulcahy generates, why does that fall on Harper and Baker???
Fire away.....I'm here for the discussion......
I doubt it. I don't play computer games. I'd foul out in 5 mins.
You seem predisposed to single out mulcahy. He is not the star of the team. Everyone save cliff stunk and yet you are focused on mulcahy. It’s weird. Harp and Geo are the senior leaders. As they go RU goes. Not hard to figure out. They started out like 0-7 or something. They set the tone with a terrible lackluster performance. Why wouldn’t people be focused on that? Mathis and Young are no longer with the program btw.
You've been apologizing for Geos inconsistent performance For 4 years since he was a sophomore so why should that stop now.
This Convo. Wasn't about the non captains...there's certainly plenty to be concerned about there.
I've shared data in the past that you've completely ignored because we'll i don't know. But I know I'm not into war and peace exchanges with you. As a rule I don't read posts over 75 words.
Totally agree. You’re points are all valid and I do think Harper needs to get to the paint more and draw more fouls and be tougher. I do think he had some good inside looks against PSU he just couldn’t convert.
When did I say I wish we didn’t have Harper on our team? All I’m saying is that Harper has had too many games throughout his career where he hasn’t shown up. You don’t see that from other stars around the league. We don’t have the talent to overcome when he doesn’t have it.
There are some flaws in this argument... Geo and Harper's roles are as scorers. Not everyone is. When they are off, it forces others to try to do more and force it. If Geo and Harper are having good shooting nights it opens things up for everyone. Easier shots. Better offensive rhythm. Less pressure. They are leaders. They set the tone. All of these things matter and have a big impact
For some reason, it seems more often than not, the whole team underperforms on the road.
Do we get them good hotels.. or bad hotels? Whichever it is.. CHANGE IT. Something is really off in road games. Did they take a bus to State College? Is there a record of how they do taking Bus vs Plane? Day vs night game.. etc etc. What they eat on the road? When they eat?
Something is up.
Figure it out.
We don't win road games.. so what do we have to lose.. EXPERIMENT.
SInce this thread is about Harper.. I'll suggest this.. he takes off on some possessions.. is that for rest? Are we giving him too many minutes? AS I said above.. EXPERIMENT in road games (which we do not win anyway). Harper is averaging almost 33 min a game.. make it 28 and see how he does. BTW.. he played 36 vs PSU.
Something is up.
Figure it out.
We don't win road games.. so what do we have to lose.. EXPERIMENT.
SInce this thread is about Harper.. I'll suggest this.. he takes off on some possessions.. is that for rest? Are we giving him too many minutes? AS I said above.. EXPERIMENT in road games (which we do not win anyway). Harper is averaging almost 33 min a game.. make it 28 and see how he does. BTW.. he played 36 vs PSU.
Everyone knows what mulcahy is. He’s maximizing what he is. The point being made in this thread is that Ron and Geo are not
How many teams in the country are going to win when their top two players are ice cold?
I didn’t say that or even come close to saying that. You (the board) are clamoring for other teams players and saying they are better. Other teams fans like our guys. Grass is always greener. Get it?
Where did I say that you said that? Is the old phrase the grass is always greener on the other side too old for some to understand?
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I don't get the laser focus on only Mulcahy. He is the 4th (5th?) most talented player on the team.
I would slightly disagree.
Some (rightly or wrongly) were expecting that with JY/MM/JM leaving, RHJ (and Geo to a much lesser extent) would step up as seniors and put themselves in the BIG POY/1st Team All-BIG conversation along with these other elite players.
As senior captains, be the team leaders and keep the team competitive.
Especially considering the pre-season expectations of building off a tournament bid last season.
Unfornatuely, RHJ has increased his scoring by less than 1pt (14.9 to 15.7) through the easy part of the schedule.
https://bigten.org/stats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2021
Harp has improved his 3 Pt percentage, rebounds, assists and steals. All incremental but he’s clearly playing better. Bottom line is as geo and harp goes that’s how ru is going to go this year for the most part.
I don't think anyone expects PM to do more because he is limited offensively. Him playing 30 minutes is on Pike.
Harper is a guy that can score from everywhere. Where's the plan to get him the ball in different spots and get him going early? That's on Pike. Against quality defensive teams, you can't just wing it. Against ****** defensive teams, opportunities consistently present themselves. The announcers for the nebby game was crushing nebby for leaving Harper unguarded on a regular basis.
I was saying "wtf" for the majority of our 1st 10-12 possessions (really the majority of the 1st half possessions). We see other teams with a plan to get the ball down low or into the hands of their star player. We looked like 5 guys playing together at the y for the first time, who had no idea what the strengths of each other was. Caleb turning it over in 2 attempts to go ISO. WTF. (Why was Caleb going iso at the end of the Michigan game btw?).
Harper is a guy that can score from everywhere. Where's the plan to get him the ball in different spots and get him going early? That's on Pike. Against quality defensive teams, you can't just wing it. Against ****** defensive teams, opportunities consistently present themselves. The announcers for the nebby game was crushing nebby for leaving Harper unguarded on a regular basis.
I was saying "wtf" for the majority of our 1st 10-12 possessions (really the majority of the 1st half possessions). We see other teams with a plan to get the ball down low or into the hands of their star player. We looked like 5 guys playing together at the y for the first time, who had no idea what the strengths of each other was. Caleb turning it over in 2 attempts to go ISO. WTF. (Why was Caleb going iso at the end of the Michigan game btw?).
The guy who I was talking to when you jumped in. I figured you were reading this thread when you jumped in on my discussion with someone else. My bad.
Not sure what you’re disagreeing with here. I understand what you are saying. I get everyone wants those guys to score 30 pts every game. I do too. But I talk to fans of many other teams and they all talk about RHJ and Geo with high regard and respect.
AS a percentage of total scoring this year I'd guess RHJ is a lot higher than last year... but we are scoring a lot less... for a lot of reasons...
21.28% of total scoring.. in 2020/2021
22.78% of total scoring so far in 2021/2022
oops.. not as high as I'd thought it would be