Had We Gotten What We Wanted(2013)...

[engie]

On a bandwagon I was one of the leaders for(hiring Hudspeth)...

He would have brought David Saunders with him. He would have brought "the plan" and gotten guys into school. The OM investigation still happens -- which still leads to a Saunders investigation. In all likelihood, we end up vacating wins and all just like ULL did.

But wait. We were already under investigation for Redmond at that point. And might have already been under sanctions. Would that have been tacked on to the Redmond investigation -- or would it have led to a second investigation with the threat of repeat offenders? I guess it really depends on the timeline.

All that to say -- we are definitely better off right now than we would be had I gotten what I wanted and a bunch of you wanted to do -- in response to Freeze. Just be careful what you wish for. One of my biggest problems with the "fahr Mullenz now" approach -- is that it's so hard to come up with a realistic candidate that is a clear upgrade resume-wise.

I do think we are approaching the most critical 2-3 year stretch for us in-state that we are likely to see in the near future, and that we really need to cash in on. I don't have great faith in Mullen to do it -- but I don't know that any clearly better candidate exists to fill that vacuum.

 

[Croom's knee socks]

Mullen was never getting fired in 2013. Not with stricklin as the AD. The difference now is that Dan wants out. He thought 2014 was his golden ticket to bigger and things. Things didn't go as planned and now he's stuck here after he slacked off and totally mismanaged the roster.
I doubt Sexton finds him another job unless Dan is willing to take a serious pay cut. So he'll probably get at least another year and we'll see how it plays out. It's not smelling good right now though.

 

[missouridawg]

Mullen was never getting fired in 2013. Not with stricklin as the AD. The difference now is that Dan wants out. He thought 2014 was his golden ticket to bigger and things. Things didn't go as planned and now he's stuck here after he slacked off and totally mismanaged the roster.
I doubt Sexton finds him another job unless Dan is willing to take a serious pay cut. So he'll probably get at least another year and we'll see how it plays out. It's not smelling good right now though.

Yep. He isn't going to find better money anywhere else. I'm to the point to where I think the best thing for Mullen, assuming his goal is to get to a blue blood program, is either:
1) Take a lesser job in the ACC (maybe the Big12) for a pay cut and try to knock off Clemson or FSU.
2) Take a pay cut at State, hire a staff with better recruiters (get rid of Knox, Hevesy, Sallach), and try to get a few more 9-10 win seasons and be patient.

 

[mount lefroy]

On a bandwagon I was one of the leaders for(hiring Hudspeth)...

He would have brought David Saunders with him. He would have brought "the plan" and gotten guys into school. The OM investigation still happens -- which still leads to a Saunders investigation. In all likelihood, we end up vacating wins and all just like ULL did.

But wait. We were already under investigation for Redmond at that point. And might have already been under sanctions. Would that have been tacked on to the Redmond investigation -- or would it have led to a second investigation with the threat of repeat offenders? I guess it really depends on the timeline.

All that to say -- we are definitely better off right now than we would be had I gotten what I wanted and a bunch of you wanted to do -- in response to Freeze. Just be careful what you wish for. One of my biggest problems with the "fahr Mullenz now" approach -- is that it's so hard to come up with a realistic candidate that is a clear upgrade resume-wise.

I do think we are approaching the most critical 2-3 year stretch for us in-state that we are likely to see in the near future, and that we really need to cash in on. I don't have great faith in Mullen to do it -- but I don't know that any clearly better candidate exists to fill that vacuum.

You can take that we and shove it. You are one of the best posters on any state board but this shitshow is indefenseable. This is coaching in absentia. He hired sexton. Why do you think that is? There is no person on the team taking the leadership role after Dak. Why do you think tht is? We havnt had a defensive coach last beyond the 2nd year. Why do you think that is? I understood the philosophy last year for what its worth. Protect your franchise. But this is not 1 mil per year coaching let alone 4. Fitz is a hard nosed kid, but he lacks the lederahip we need. We have 4 fing rbs better than holloway. We are beholding to dan due to success but he, in cashing the 4 mil check owes us more than he's giving. Relentless effory by the players requires relentless effort in leadership.

Stats be damned. And I'm a data analyst.

 

[engie]

What happened against Auburn was indefensible. I'll defend what happened last night pretty hard.

 

[philduckworth]

What happened against Auburn was indefensible. I'll defend what happened last night pretty hard.

If Mullen wants to be here, and if he makes the staff changes then we should give him the last 2 years on his contract. Those are 2 big if's though.

 

[Croom's knee socks]

It's ridiculous that he's gonna have to be forced to let go of dead weight that's holding him back. I really can't understand his reasoning for keeping such these guys around.

 

[philduckworth]

It's ridiculous that he's gonna have to be forced to let go of dead weight that's holding him back. I really can't understand his reasoning for keeping such these guys around.

No need to fire a friend when you think you are leaving.

 

[Croom's knee socks]

No need to fire a friend when you think you are leaving.

But he's gonna have those same problems wherever he goes with that dead weight.

 

[mount lefroy]

What happened against Auburn was indefensible. I'll defend what happened last night pretty hard.

I can live with that on one condition. Tiano, A Williams, Mixon, D. Lee and if necessary, D Williams are given a fair shot vs UK and Samford. He doesnt, he can go 17 himself. Im not talking down 28 pts or up vs samford. When it 17ing matters.

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

Best post you've had today.

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I do think we are approaching the most critical 2-3 year stretch for us in-state that we are likely to see in the near future, and that we really need to cash in on. I don't have great faith in Mullen to do it -- but I don't know that any clearly better candidate exists to fill that vacuum.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Do I WANT to fire Mullen at years end. Most likely a definite yes for me. I'm tired of his historical shopping around for coaching jobs, yet giving his die hard allegiance to State. (This won't be a problem for him now)

Should we fire Mullen now? No. it's too much of a crap shoot with too many open ended questions that have no definitive answers.

What i I absolutely cannot tolerate is all his talk of "rentless" BS then now practicing what he's been preaching. I think he's lost his zeal for anything Maroon and White. "Leading" a team against AU that acted as if they could've cared less. That's on Mullen. Last night was improved.

But yes, they next 2-3 years are very very pivotal for MSU football.

 

[dannyripms]

The thing is I was really wanting mullen to succeed here and be our bobby bowden. He's the one that checked out on us, not the other way around. We wanted him to stay here and be successful