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[It'saDoneDeal]

It doesn’t have to be multiple armed Delta Force types. A single retired policeman/military with a desk and monitors near the front entrance. Seems like an easy ask.

The problem with that is having armed police in schools has not shown any benefit to mitigating school shooting casualties. A study looked at over 130 school shootings pre and post Columbine and schools with armed police officers had 3x more causalties in school shootings compared to schools without an armed officer. There are countless other studies that show essentially the same thing. If anything, it's just additional motivation for some kid or adult who wants to shoot up a school to make sure they're equipped to kill as many people as they can as fast and easily as possible.

For all the legitimate mental health concerns with masking/COVID protocols for kids in schools... there are equally just as many if not more issues created for mental health, development, etc. by turning our schools into armed lock down facilities. Just about any actual study out there shows there are no benefits to having police in schools, it doesn't really make kids feel safer (nor does it prove to make it any safer), and creates a multitude of other problems with increasing school-to-prison pipelines, actually increases disciplinary issues, takes away from other areas, and god knows what else. Finding a way to prevent some 18-year-old messed up kid from getting assault rifles and body armor would be the best starting point.

 

[KingLlama]

Well, sounds like we're all in agreement.

 

[UK_Dallas]

The problem with that is having armed police in schools has not shown any benefit to mitigating school shooting casualties. A study looked at over 130 school shootings pre and post Columbine and schools with armed police officers had 3x more causalties in school shootings compared to schools without an armed officer. There are countless other studies that show essentially the same thing. If anything, it's just additional motivation for some kid or adult who wants to shoot up a school to make sure they're equipped to kill as many people as they can as fast and easily as possible.

For all the legitimate mental health concerns with masking/COVID protocols for kids in schools... there are equally just as many if not more issues created for mental health, development, etc. by turning our schools into armed lock down facilities. Just about any actual study out there shows there are no benefits to having police in schools, it doesn't really make kids feel safer (nor does it prove to make it any safer), and creates a multitude of other problems with increasing school-to-prison pipelines, actually increases disciplinary issues, takes away from other areas, and god knows what else. Finding a way to prevent some 18-year-old messed up kid from getting assault rifles and body armor would be the best starting point.

Maybe so but how many were avoided because a crazy person saw that there was an armed person up front?

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

I didn't say armed police. I said, highly trained military operatives, with complete control over access to the campus. Police and School Resource Officers are not equipped or funded to deal with a situation like that.

So, saying that it has been proven to not be effective is patently false.

 

[nlk]

Jesus is the only true answer to all the world's problems. We are a wicked lot.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

Well, Jesus certainly couldn't do any worse than what we're doing now; wringing our hands about scary guns, and tossing around platitudes about mental health etc.

School shootings, first and foremost, are a logistical and tactical problem. Sure, they have deeper roots, but how about we deal with what we CAN, while the more esoteric solutions are being endlessly debated.

Why must people complicate things?

 

[CrittendenWildcat]

Eff driverless cars and delivery drones, we need to be developing AI to detect and neutralize mass shooters.

 

[KingLlama]

I just anti-Chumpsed UK baseball, so GO CATS!!!

 

[catlanta33]

Eff driverless cars and delivery drones, we need to be developing AI to detect and neutralize mass shooters.

This isn't far off if some companies got together. The active shooter technology is pretty insane. They can detect # of rounds fired, caliber of the round and also differentiate between a gun shot and someone slamming a book on the ground. It also feeds the report straight into EMS so the responding officers know more of what they're up against. But, it isn't cheap.

My brother works for a company that developed a microwave technology that can obliterate someone or something with pinpoint accuracy and doesn't make a sound.

There are CCTV analytics that can identify someone with a gun.

Put those 3 together and you're onto something.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

Jesus is the only true answer to all the world's problems. We are a wicked lot.

What kind of tactical ops experience does Jesus have? Wetworks training?

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

Well, he's pretty difficult to kill.

 

[BernieSadori]

Well, he's pretty difficult to kill.

So is Steven Seagal.

 

[_Chase_]

I'm all for the exploding microwave solution. Sounds awesome

 

[UK_Dallas]

How about something that can be installed at every entrance that detects bags or objects bigger than a book bag. Can read up to 100 feet out and will do an auto lock down if something is detected. Officer on site clears the bag then doors reopen. Of course handguns would still be a problem.

 

[cricket3]

Taco Bell’s Mexican Pizza are going away again and won’t be back until the fall because of supply issues. Didn’t even last 2 weeks.

 

[anthonys735]

 

[MrKentucky]

^Me opening JRow’s thread insinuating RB1 mag not be with the team this year

 

[MGGA]

I've lost more money(on paper) in the last two weeks than you will make in the next 3-5 years.

Congrats?

 

[wcc31]

Sorry, Anth.

 

[Ribsandwhitebread]

The Mexican Pizza pessimism was too much for Anth to handle

 

[Wynn Duffy 69]

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

I'll bet it took him 3 paragraphs to say that and that he threw in a fishing story and something about his busted penis while he was doing it.

 

[gobigbluebell]

^Me opening JRow’s thread insinuating RB1 mag not be with the team this year

WHAT

 

[Wynn Duffy 69]

I'll bet it took him 3 paragraphs to say that and that he threw in a fishing story and something about his busted penis while he was doing it.

I typically like your approach to most things/life, but your Hemingway hate is incomprehensible. I hope that part of your brain DIAF.

 

[MrKentucky]

WHAT

Said it’s “to be determined” but possible and if anyone says it’s not, they’re lying, but if they say he’s not playing, they’re lying.

Wouldn’t spill details on anything else. Cmon Matt, spill…

 

[Mossip]

-I'm childless, so I won't have a take on the recent massacre. Maybe reduce magazine capacity... maybe change the age to buy assault rifles to 25... maybe reappropriate tax dollars for mental health resources. I don't know, but it focking sucks.

-The Taco Bell mexican pizza is widly overrated.

-Taco Bell bean burrito is wildly underrated.

-Luka is the first dude to get that many 1st NBA first team nods this early. His game is slow-motion and it fascinates me. Why is he this good?

-As a lurker, this thread has been **** since Pti had his wedding. Some of ya'll are straws stirring the drink. Stay nearby, please.

-Better Call Saul is blowing my mind. What a great show/writing.

-Conference finals have sucked, and why does Jimmy Butler get praised for great games and glossed over for laying eggs. Dude is overrated af.

-Is Robert Dillingham a good Wagner replacement? Seems primed to be the next Shaedone (lol).

 

[Wynn Duffy 69]

This CRod thing would really, really suck balls. Although, I guess one bright side is that we have one of the better RB rooms in the conference, which is nothing I thought I would ever say.

 

[UK_Dallas]

Now there is a thread saying Javon Baker isn't going to come and looking at other schools.

But...we are SEC now so there is depth to survive the news today.

 

[august-west]

Taco Bell’s Mexican Pizza are going away again and won’t be back until the fall because of supply issues. Didn’t even last 2 weeks.

Review Braugh pretty much sums it up

 

[TCPUKChamps]

Feel like I say this every year but the NHL Playoffs as a whole are the best playoffs in sports. And it's not even close

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

Now there is a thread saying Javon Baker isn't going to come and looking at other schools.

look again

 

[RogCat1119]

...and after dozens get shot (inc. kids) in Chicago EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND. 218 ytd...inc. 34 victims age 19 and under.

I'll hang up and listed to every liberal squawk box talking point about this issue.

We're all sick about this tragedy, but don't pick and choose when you care to get angry. I'll expect you to be vocal about all of the senseless murders in Chicago, NYC, LA, SF, Philly, etc.

Oh I'm sure the resident klansman is just torn up about "Chicago" or "black on black crime." You're disgusting and nauseating.

 

[tommyg4uk]

Agree that officers at schools would be a good thing, the thing is, no good officer is requesting that detail.

My high school had two armed sworn officers at all times and no doubt in my mind they'd be the first ones running out the building if some **** went down.

They stayed in the parking lot, writing tickets and smoking Doral Reds.

They were the two middle aged drunk officers on the first season of The Wire because their lieutenant didn't gaf about losing them, and they were cool with cashing a check waiting for their pension.

It was like that at every school.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

Well frankly, that sounds like more of an administrative or supervisory issue than a "concept" problem. LOL

(And actually bolsters my case against those that say, "Armed officers in the schools has been tried, and it's been proven not to work)

 

[tommyg4uk]

Agree to an extent...

But what good officer is going to want that detail and what supervision officer is going to put his officer on that detail?

Not something that's going to move you up the career ladder, and not something you're going to assign your best to when you have to cut overall crime in a city.

Do you know how much blatant negligence it takes to fire an officer?

A lot easier to put them somewhere that they can forget about them.

So yes, it is more of a systemic issue...but if you thought getting background checks was tough, good luck negotiating with every PD union in the country.

 

[tommyg4uk]

(And actually bolsters my case against those that say, "Armed officers in the schools has been tried, and it's been proven not to work)

We agree. Good in theory, but doesn't work out practically.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

No, I don't think we DO agree.

I'm not talking about getting these folks from the local police department. As I said, that's been tried and failed.

I'm talking about putting duly sworn Federal Marshals in there, with one clearly defined job. The cost will be massive; hundreds of billions per year. This isn't a job for some re-tread beat cop, 5 years from retirement.

Expensive? yep. How expensive? It takes whatever it takes. But if you REALLY want to stop school shootings, this will do it.



(until the mental-health/background checks thing gets a foothold LOL)

 

[Hank Camacho_rivals115797]

Review Braugh pretty much sums it up

That might be the most exquisitely punchable face I've ever seen. He looks like gentile Ben Shapiro with AIDS.

I'm pretty pumped about Obi Wan tomorrow. Hopefully the fact that they are releasing two episodes at once is a good sign that it doesn't suck. Who would have thought that Star Wars would eventually work better on tv than the big screen?

 

[cut_itloosedoubledeuce]

Mother of Texas shooter says, “my son was not a monster”.

Umm, actually he was. Maybe we should add parenting and accountability to the issues that are a big problem in this country.

 

[cole854]

No, I don't think we DO agree.

I'm not talking about getting these folks from the local police department. As I said, that's been tried and failed.

I'm talking about putting duly sworn Federal Marshals in there, with one clearly defined job. The cost will be massive; hundreds of billions per year. This isn't a job for some re-tread beat cop, 5 years from retirement.

Expensive? yep. How expensive? It takes whatever it takes. But if you REALLY want to stop school shootings, this will do it.



(until the mental-health/background checks thing gets a foothold LOL)

Retired military have been used quite often in schools, campuses, etc. There are many who need a good job and would welcome an opportunity for stability. As you said, a "legit" created position sounds like the best avenue. These people become trusted parts of the school community...get to know the kids/teachers, etc.

It will definitely be expensive but the cost is irrelevant, especially given what we spend now. Maybe the tree hugging save the spotted lizard group can spare a few billion.