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TCPUKChamps

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No one that can make a difference really wants anything to change.

1. Tragedy occurs
2. The usual suspects fire off the same talking points getting all the competitors on each side incensed and maybe they'll fire off a campaign fundraising email asking for $$ to make change.
3. Laugh at the normals while cashing the checks.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat
 

jwheat

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I have a hard time believing that Cumberland county board of education can afford a retired officer at each school but Jefferson county can not.
 

Blueblood1975

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I don't know specific policy ideas, but even universal background checks and waiting periods seem like a nice starting off point that even members of both sides of the aisle could support.

I can go to the city convention center every other month at the "Gun Show" and buy a weapon- which seems to be kind of too easy. I realize there is an entire economy behind guns. If eliminating even military type weapons isnt even an option- I would imagine that making the period between a purchase, and obtaining it may help.

Will it prevent all mass shootings- no. We know that- and i think we all know its going to be extremely difficult to find a realistic way to do that since we've already reached a tipping point with guns in society. Will it maybe prevent some mass shootings- i'd say probably so. It certainly isnt something that would anger even responsible gun owners/ firearm supporters.
That absolutely would be a good start. Why does anyone need a military style weapon? Why does someone need body armor? We make it way too easy in this country to have these things and then say we don't know how to stop when this is the only country that has this issue.
 

rudd1

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-as I understand there is no mechanical difference in AR15s and the Browning Bar Safari 30-06 hunting rifle I used to own, sae.

^the difference is in magazine capacity...that's something that could be compromised on. Everything else is aesthetic.

-raising the right to purchase age to 21 is a great idea...I'd go further to 25. By that time your brain has finished developing and schizophrenia et al have usually manifested. If you wanna take your kid hunting...let him use one of yours under your supervision. Been happening for years.
 

jwheat

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I mean- i'm not against more secure schools, but being soft targets isnt the entire problem. You still have the current gun access issues to address. Locking down schools more still leaves a lot of shopping centers, theaters, etc open for the same thing.
The kid shot his grandmother in the face. I think it’s safe to assume he was gonna do some damage whether it was a firearm or a screw driver
 

Geese Feeder

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Can we start by putting a police officer in every school?
I don't know of any other suggestions that will actually work to address the problem.
This has been tried in many districts already but many believe the presence of a police officer is upsetting and intimidating to POC. True story.

Hell, virtue signalers such as Steve Kerr (and others) marched for the removal of officers in schools back in 2020.

Just shouting COMMON SENSE GUN LAWZ from a party that controls the House, the Senate, and the do-nothing WH is definitely a head scratcher.

Maybe articulating some COMMON SENSE legislation that both sides can agree on that doesn't involve climate change, diversity, and puberty blockers would be a good start. I'd think you would find many 2A folks that would be willing to listen (myself included).
 

VernHatton52

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I'm fine with people owning guns
The kid shot his grandmother in the face. I think it’s safe to assume he was gonna do some damage whether it was a firearm or a screw driver
So we should so nothing? Why not make hand grenades accessible to society? Because let's face it, hand grenades don't kill people. People kill people. Why not make nuclear weapons available to the public while we're at it?
 

TCPUKChamps

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Dems were fully in power when Sandy Hook happened.

Nothing changed

Dems fully in power now.

They don't want to change anything.

Gotta fire the base up before November. Can't actually do anything that would jeopardize getting people out to vote!!

But hey, everyone can repost **** on their IG and Twitter and feel like an activist now.
 
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The kid shot his grandmother in the face. I think it’s safe to assume he was gonna do some damage whether it was a firearm or a screw driver
Sure. Making schools into impenetrable buildings- which is fine if thats one precaution (not necessary in a lot of other societies- but whatever)- still doesnt get to the root of the issue.
 
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jwheat

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Sure. Making schools into impenetrable buildings- which is fine if thats one precaution (not necessary in a lot of other societies- but whatever)- still doesnt get to the root of the issue.
I think the root of this issue is a mentally deranged kid who killed his own grandmother and elementary school kids. Not what he killed them with. Which is what November will be about now.
 
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_Chase_

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I had a cousin that from a very young age I thought he looked like a serial killer. Dead wide open eyes, very odd behavior. Once he became and adult he dealt with some severe mental illness, including schizophrenia and other issues.

Several people in my family tried on multiple occasions to get him serious help, the court system tried to get him serious help. At the end of the day, he wouldn’t take his meds, couldn’t be locked away forever, and ended up roaming the streets doing drugs, and being a crazy person.

He was murdered a few months ago, and while it was sad, one of the first thoughts that crossed my mind is thank God he didn’t end up going on a shooting spree.

As a country we just don’t know how to handle severe mental health issues. I don’t know what the answer there is, but it is a very real problem.
 

Dore95

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One way to prevent these mass shootings would be to have metal detectors everywhere. In every school. In every train station. In every grocery store. The resulting lines and long waits would be unbearable. But we put up with that at airports. And at courthouses. And most sporting events.
 

cole854

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One way to prevent these mass shootings would be to have metal detectors everywhere. In every school. In every train station. In every grocery store. The resulting lines and long waits would be unbearable. But we put up with that at airports. And at courthouses. And most sporting events.

It would help schools...but you can still walk into a major airport with a weapon and see hundreds in line at the ticket counter.....the point of attack doesn't have to be on the plane. The fact that the security checkpoint is the last stage is rather asinine.

There have been bombings/shootings outside of stadiums/arenas all over the world as people waited in line.

The last thing needed is a fish bowl setting in every aspect of our lives.
 

_Chase_

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I'm just glad we still have to take off our shoes because of this guy.

 

Uk2k4

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We just gonna ignore all these “signs” I see everybody talking about with cole854 orrrrrr?
 

wcc31

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Dems were fully in power when Sandy Hook happened.

Nothing changed

Dems fully in power now.

They don't want to change anything.

Gotta fire the base up before November. Can't actually do anything that would jeopardize getting people out to vote!!

But hey, everyone can repost **** on their IG and Twitter and feel like an activist now.

You’re a maniac who loses your mind on a daily basis about dumb **** like a Scottish minor league croquet team not firing its coach.

Yet you can’t handle Americans up in arms about a bunch of little kids being shot and killed AGAIN.

People are upset for good reason. And blaming Democrats for the lack of gun laws is a joke.
 

MattJones

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Dems were fully in power when Sandy Hook happened.

Nothing changed

Dems fully in power now.

They don't want to change anything.

Gotta fire the base up before November. Can't actually do anything that would jeopardize getting people out to vote!!

But hey, everyone can repost **** on their IG and Twitter and feel like an activist now.
I have mixed emotions on this issue bc I think most legislation that liberals would like to see actually won’t have a huge effect for a variety of reasons that aren’t worth going into in detail here. I do think reducing magazine capacity is a no-brainer but nothing in this debate seems to be. What I hate is that potential solutions have become either/or. Yes guns are a part of it…yes mental health is a part of it…and yes more security at school can be part of it (although the school yesterday had two armed guards there apparently). A true solution can deal with all of it

The point above however is stupid. So long as the filibuster is in place, the “Dems control everything argument” is dumb. They don’t. Now some may be for getting rid of the filibuster but if it exists, the Dems can’t fix it alone. They actually could have under Obama but a couple Senators chickened out and they can be criticized. But now they can’t fix it without at least some Republican help
 
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The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, like the guy that stopped this most recent shooter.

There are no “common sense” gun laws, criminals don’t follow them. Old boy that shot the Goldman Sachs Exec in NYC sold his gun to a kid for $10 right after he used it.

NYC has the strictest gun laws in the country, what new law would of prevented it, and please don’t show me some anecdotal evidence from England.

BTW Mags, couldn’t the Dems actually try and reach across the isle and see if they could get 10 republicans to agree on some common ground?
 
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catlanta33

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I have no solutions. There are more guns in America in circulation than anywhere else in the world. Furthermore, when the riots began, gun sales grew month after month. Restricting what is already in circulation seems implausible.

I will say that I used to go to schools, do site evaluations and propose security solutions that would help mitigate the damage of an active shooter. And, I would always try to find a side door to enter to show them how easily I was able to get in without them knowing.

Sans very few, it always comes down to the budget. It's not difficult to design and implement a solution that funnels people through specific openings where staff can have more control over who comes and goes from the campus. But, the budget. We're not talking millions of dollars, either.

More often than not in my world, which is no longer in schools but still holds true most everywhere in the security world - the decision-maker seldom puts a value on prevention and when something happens, they magically come up with the funds.

Kids don't have to go to schools and it feel like a prison. But at some point, the school will have to spend money to bring up the level of security. They need to write and enforce policy. You have to approach it like your school is next because if you play the law of averages, they won't do but a little more than they did the day before.
 

krazykats

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Don't bring Marshall County into this unless you know what you're talking about, and you quite clearly do not.
Sorry if mentioning your area bothers you, but I’m well aware of Gabe Parker and the bullying, family death etc etc that was used to try and get out of two life sentences.

Like I said the students had concerns. But I certainly didn’t mean to offend you.
 
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