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WayneDougan_rivals170043

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I always figured college basketball would be in a decent spot after you removed all the pro talent from its ranks. Yeah, it wouldn't be as good as the late 80's/early 90's, but it would normalize with senior led teams that knew how to play basketball together, with extremely talented players who were undersized or a step slow preventing them from going to the next level.

Nope, instead we've apparently got a stockpile of guys who are big and fast, but just absolutely suck at basketball. Yet these guys are good enough - particularly on defense and on the boards - to beat the slow and short guys and leave us with the dogshit product known as D1 college basketball.
 
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joeyrupption

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krazykats said:
If college, better yet the NCAA, wasn’t so damn stupid kids could have reason to stay.

Even if you don’t change anything the university can do for them besides food/scholarship/housing you can let these kids earn.

There isn’t a reason you can give that says if the local car dealership wants to throw IQ $20,000 for a commercial that he shouldn’t take it. Who knows what they pay our coach!

And as a university sure we may have Nike uniforms, but if a player picks up a shoe deal from another company they should be allowed to wear those shoes! It doesn’t impact the NBA game by any means.

Then if a kid like IQ is making 6 figures while getting a free education he is more likely to make the best decision for himself!

Oh and if you are concerned with the bench riding scrubs, their value is their value so a free education should suffice!

It really shouldn’t be so damn hard as long as the only thing the university hands out is the same.

I don’t care what shady doors this opens, let’s open this door first and find out because college basketball is being ruined without giving it consideration.
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Don’t believe this will work as it wouldn’t be fair to women’s softball players, etc.
 
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Strokin_Bandit

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Dec 21, 2001
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College basketball has basically become 22U AAU at this point. The 18U circuit is used to get a 5* ranking and go to a “Blueblood” college program that showcases NBA potential and puts kids on mock draft boards. Welcome to the big 22U, kid! Get out of this league ASAP and go make money.

If that can’t be done for the 22U squad a kid is currently playing for, switch squads and go somewhere that will get you recognized! You don’t want to be playing in the 22U as an ACTUAL 22 year old!

That’s all college basketball is now. The next level of AAU. Handlers, recruiters, shoe deals, big business. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no amateur model. You can’t preach the loyalty and commitment model when there is so much money to be made. I don’t blame them at all.

At the end of the day, cheering for Manimal Elite is about the same as cheering for the Kentucky Wildcats or Duke Blue Devils if you want to know the truth.
 
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anthonys735

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BristolCat said:
This.
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Nah. It's people in their ear telling them their better than they are and hoping for that pay day. Along with the NCAA finally being called on their ********. Apply what the NCAA to any other industry and it doesn't work. The labor is finally fed up.
 
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Strokin_Bandit

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That’s also why you see “kids” leaving those places to go play for a better “brand.” Or they become Obi Toppin and declare for the draft . . . as they should.

That’s where this is now.
 
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wcc31

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Mar 18, 2002
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What amazes me regarding basketball is the seemingly endless number of 6-figure contracts overseas. Isn’t Ramon F’ing Harris still balling? How many pro leagues are there?
 
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TheShowKiller

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Dec 30, 2002
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What's ironic is that, in theory, the one and done model does make sense. Most of the time you can separate the Zion's and AD's from the Kwame Brown's of the world in just one college basketball season. I have zero issue with John Wall giving us one awesome season and going and getting his.

It's the Dakari Johnson/EJ Montgomery's of the college basketball world that leave you with this "what TF are we doing?" feeling.
 
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TriangleUKCat

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krazykats said:
If college, better yet the NCAA, wasn’t so damn stupid kids could have reason to stay.

Even if you don’t change anything the university can do for them besides food/scholarship/housing you can let these kids earn.

There isn’t a reason you can give that says if the local car dealership wants to throw IQ $20,000 for a commercial that he shouldn’t take it. Who knows what they pay our coach!

And as a university sure we may have Nike uniforms, but if a player picks up a shoe deal from another company they should be allowed to wear those shoes! It doesn’t impact the NBA game by any means.

Then if a kid like IQ is making 6 figures while getting a free education he is more likely to make the best decision for himself!

Oh and if you are concerned with the bench riding scrubs, their value is their value so a free education should suffice!

It really shouldn’t be so damn hard as long as the only thing the university hands out is the same.

I don’t care what shady doors this opens, let’s open this door first and find out because college basketball is being ruined without giving it consideration.
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Terrence Clarke dunking on a hoop attached to Down Home cabin for a few bills would be nice.
 
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WayneDougan_rivals170043

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wcc31 said:
What amazes me regarding basketball is the seemingly endless number of 6-figure contracts overseas. Isn’t Ramon F’ing Harris still balling? How many pro leagues are there?
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Almost every single player jumps from team to team each year. It’s hard to find an American guy who has stuck with one team for an extended period of time. Something seems odd about it.
 
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Ribsandwhitebread

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Apr 17, 2007
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Straight line winds, Anth.

I've filed 3 claims in 13 years... One for the tornados in 2011, one at our house in Chattanooga when an ice storm pulled trees down onto the house (we were able to repair everything for under the deductible so I dont think it counts) and now the current one-which I dont really think is going to be *that expensive*. Living somewhere there seem to be tornado outbreaks for about 3 months every year- I dont think that is that bad.
 
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Brandan Stroud

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Ramon Harris is, per his wiki page, currently playing for a team in Crete presumably fighting minotaurs and whatnot.

I have to say, minotaur fighting is a legitimate reason for American kids to shun the Euro-league. May explain the inflated contracts, too. Got pay a little extra to get guys to not only play basketball, but fight half-man/half-bull monsters from ancient mythology.
 
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PTI Anon1640710541

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Nov 14, 2002
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Morakinyo Williams is still playing professionally, and averaged 12 & 5 last season playing in England. He's still only 31 years old.

Please explain to me how this is less appealing than your sorry *** upselling customers on unnecessary collision insurance at Enterprise Rent-A-Car for $27,000/year.
 
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anthonys735

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TheShowKiller said:
What's ironic is that, in theory, the one and done model does make sense. Most of the time you can separate the Zion's and AD's from the Kwame Brown's of the world in just one college basketball season. I have zero issue with John Wall giving us one awesome season and going and getting his.

It's the Dakari Johnson/EJ Montgomery's of the college basketball world that leave you with this "what TF are we doing?" feeling.
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Dakari Johnson:

2021/22 $459,414
2020/21 $459,414
2019/20 $459,414
2018/19 Memphis Grizzlies $1,378,242 ($1,400,962*)
2017/18 Oklahoma City Thunder $815,615 ($852,867*)

Raise your hand if you made 3.6 million by 24.
 
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Bonzo_Cat

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anthonys735 said:
Dakari Johnson:

2021/22 $459,414
2020/21 $459,414
2019/20 $459,414
2018/19 Memphis Grizzlies $1,378,242 ($1,400,962*)
2017/18 Oklahoma City Thunder $815,615 ($852,867*)

Raise your hand if you made 3.6 million by 24.
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On its surface, true. But that income compared to potential compensation in their area of expertise, that's peanuts. And you can say there is a a small potential of injury with everything you do on & off the court, so cash in ASAP, bird-in-hand, etc. If you take that mindset then damn near everyone besides Brad should have bounced and gone overseas after their freshman year.

Where a lot of us shake our head is we know if Dakari was encouraged to come back for a second season and improved his game, there's no doubt he'd have improved from mid second round pic to first round / lottery. Get there and he's given more rope to develop (because of initial investment by team) and not be suiting up for the [checks notes] Qingdao Eagles, worried to death you're going to a bat flu host guarding you every game.
 
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anthonys735

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Nope. The NCAA has legit competition now. They can be scouted from anywhere in the world. They can be coached by really good teachers of the game full time without the NCAA regulations.

It's a broke a system.


This isn't anything new, we've been talking about it for 7-8 years. Cal not adapting to it is the frustrating part. Quick and Montgomery don't piss me off as much as Juzang.
 
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Geese Feeder

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****'s case by case.

Quick can come back and earn 1st team All-America and still really not improve his draft stock. You are what you are to the scouts, for the most part. It's also pretty important to understand what kind of draft class will be declaring into. He probably got some kind of 2nd round "guarantee" and wanted to follow the money.

They're not exactly the same kind of player but I see the success Devonte' Graham had in the NBA; trigger happy combo guard with a ton of exposure at a CBB blue blood, with a lot of pro warts who improved his game each year in college and got drafted beyond the 1st round. Ended up becoming a huge contributor and success story for his NBA team. Dude was averaging 18/8 before they pulled the plug. Did NOT see that coming and I'm sure 99% of the NBA brass didn't either.

Kids see these stories and focus on the ones that sneak into big money rather than the overwhelming cases that fail into the abyss -- right,,wrong, or indifferent.

With all that said, college basketball sucks and has sucked for a while. It's no good. The Japanese call it muda. If I didn't have to love it I'd certainly hate it. TS.
 
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PuffyNips

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Nov 13, 2001
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Bonzo, Dakari did come back to Kentucky for a 2nd season. Do you think another season would've improved his draft stock much, if at all?

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Look at recent NBA drafts. Not many players who were already all conference level (talking about Quick now, not Dakari) improved their stock by coming back for a 3rd or 4th year.

A good example to me is Carson Edwards. Dude was All Big Ten and averaged 18 a game his SO season and was only projected to be a 2nd rounder. He came back, improved his game and averaged over 24 a game. Made 2nd Team All American... and still only got drafted in the 2nd round.

Edit - Geese pretty much just made this same point about Quick.
 
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BristolCat_rivals158386

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"Dear diary,

It is the 31st day of quarantine. Today we argued about Morakinyo Williams' stats in the European league. It was admittedly better than yesterday's discussion. I spent several hours just staring at the "delete your account" link. Like a coward, I did nothing. Perhaps tomorrow will bring discussion of the Wisconsin game. Or maybe politics."
 
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Bonzo_Cat

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Wildcat Willy said:
Bonzo, Dakari did come back to Kentucky for a 2nd season. Do you think another season would've improved his draft stock much, if at all?
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Not to retry this case but, yes I think a player with his skills could have gone from mid-second round to first with one more year of seasoning. First guy that comes to mind is Richards, Nick. Dude improved exponentially. Who says he couldn't? Either way, if he played a third year he wouldn't have dropped and China would have always been there ready if he did.
 
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Bonzo_Cat

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[eyeroll]

At no point did I compare Richards to Dakari, actually the opposite and saying Dakari was way better. So if Richards improved so much from year 2 to 3 (as everyone in here raved about ALL season), then why couldn't a player like Dakari with more inherently natural ability.
 
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