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_Chase_

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Richards has been one of the few bright spots. It’s not his fault that Cal called a post up play for him near the end of the game. If Cal is too stupid/stubborn to understand why that’s a horrendous call, it’s not on Richards for failing to execute. That’s not who he is, or ever will be.
 

UKwizard

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Dec 11, 2002
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Someone needed to have their young son near the team entrance telling them "Good job. Good effort!" as they left the arena.
 

krazykats

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- I care, I’m just so dumbfounded to the point I’m numb to it.

So much to say, only to counter my own argument/thought that I just want the next game tonight to see for myself it was just a bump in the road or teaching lesson to the kids.

- I missed the game as it was my oldest 2 year Diaversary and we celebrated for him. When I saw the “breaking news” I must have went flush because all my wife said was “oh god you didn’t bet on that did you”. Thankfully no!

-:mad: :joy: :flush: :mad: [eyeroll] :joy: :cry: :mad: :(
 

TheShowKiller

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Dec 30, 2002
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* The one thing I don't understand is the hatred we shoot at select assistant coaches. They get the good recruits to consider us. It is up to Cal to close the deal, IMO.

Now, if you want to bring in someone new in to umm "freshen up" the offense, please have at it. I don't care if Barbee or the Justis File are here or not. It just cracks me up how much **** they take when we lose. Was anyone singing their praises when we beat MSU last week?
Fair point.

But when you bring in a analytics guy like JJ and then spend the majority of the game taking inefficient shots and when your 4 man is getting beat in isolation on the P&R over and over and you have a alleged zone master in Barbree...you have to wonder what their value is. Either it's on them for not doing their job or on Cal for not letting or trusting them to do their job, which is a problem in itself. Probably both.

I get furious thinking about us trying to post Sestina over and over again like he is Kevin McHale and taking one 3. That dude should take 4 or 5 plus a game, he was brought here to spread the gd floor for non-shooters like Hagans. You know he's going to get burnt on D occasionally...but the trade off is that he knocks down enough 3's, spaces the floor and pulls enough boards that it doesn't matter.

Quickley isn't John Wall, he needs to be out there jacking up catch and shoot 3's, even taking a couple bad shots. He's not a "dddrrrrrivvvee!" style of guard. Same with Juzang. Less is more, man, catch and pull...every single one of our guys catches and puts it on the deck, immediately.

I'm an admitted apologist, I think what Cal has done here is in many ways underappreciated from a coaching aspect. However, he has given a lot of coach speak in recent years to evolving with the game, recruiting shooters, spacing the floor, etc. He's recruiting that way but not playing that way, see taking the reservation is the easy part.
 

Burly

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Fair point.

But when you bring in a analytics guy like JJ and then spend the majority of the game taking inefficient shots and when your 4 man is getting beat in isolation on the P&R over and over and you have a alleged zone master in Barbree...you have to wonder what their value is. Either it's on them for not doing their job or on Cal for not letting or trusting them to do their job, which is a problem in itself. Probably both.

I get furious thinking about us trying to post Sestina over and over again like he is Kevin McHale and taking one 3. That dude should take 4 or 5 plus a game, he was brought here to spread the gd floor for non-shooters like Hagans. You know he's going to get burnt on D occasionally...but the trade off is that he knocks down enough 3's, spaces the floor and pulls enough boards that it doesn't matter.

Quickley isn't John Wall, he needs to be out there jacking up catch and shoot 3's, even taking a couple bad shots. He's not a "dddrrrrrivvvee!" style of guard. Same with Juzang. Less is more, man, catch and pull...every single one of our guys catches and puts it on the deck, immediately.

I'm an admitted apologist, I think what Cal has done here is in many ways underappreciated from a coaching aspect. However, he has given a lot of coach speak in recent years to evolving with the game, recruiting shooters, spacing the floor, etc. He's recruiting that way but not playing that way, see taking the reservation is the easy part.
Good post - we need to clear the post like Evansville does - especially with Whitney and Brooks in the game. Hagans is a liability - Quickly passes up good shots to take bad ones. Some lineups have no chance of scoring
Help defense for Sestina was non exsistent
Bottom line Cal doesn't get enough triple threat players
 
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TheShowKiller

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Just curious - what ways?
I don't think it's easy to take freshman and install a working system. I don't care if it Wall, Cousins, MKG, Davis talent. Basketball still takes chemistry and timing to develop teams at the highest level. Getting elite freshman to play cohesive hard nosed man to man defense is a skill, getting stars to accept roles is a skill. No one else, not even K develops players and teams at a faster pace. To shrug that off on the basis of "well he had the best players" is to ignore that the best basketball teams don't always have the edge in talent.

Cal is a good coach but a stubborn coach, most great ones are stubborn because of their success. But, the basketball world both with recruiting one and dones and with how the game is played has changed around him and did so quickly. He's going to have to adjust...he's dipped his toe in it but not been willing to go whole hog. This is a whole hog group, I'm afraid. There is not Reid Travis or PJ to post up and get tough buckets. This team is going to have to shoot and drive the ball, the shooting is going to have to come in order to open up the driving.
 

UKStoleMyFish

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Cal is a good coach but a stubborn coach, most great ones are stubborn because of their success. But, the basketball world both with recruiting one and dones and with how the game is played has changed around him and did so quickly.

He's as good as anybody at getting guys to play hard and at getting young players to buy in to the idea of defending. But, as has been said on here a billion times, his offense is ridiculously outdated.

And there are a lot of great coaches who have changed their approach over the years, the most obvious ones being Saban overhauling his offense and Coach K targeting one & dones. (Also, Beilein/defense, Huggins/pressing, etc.)
 
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I don't think it's easy to take freshman and install a working system. I don't care if it Wall, Cousins, MKG, Davis talent. Basketball still takes chemistry and timing to develop teams at the highest level. Getting elite freshman to play cohesive hard nosed man to man defense is a skill, getting stars to accept roles is a skill. No one else, not even K develops players and teams at a faster pace. To shrug that off on the basis of "well he had the best players" is to ignore that the best basketball teams don't always have the edge in talent.

Cal is a good coach but a stubborn coach, most great ones are stubborn because of their success. But, the basketball world both with recruiting one and dones and with how the game is played has changed around him and did so quickly. He's going to have to adjust...he's dipped his toe in it but not been willing to go whole hog. This is a whole hog group, I'm afraid. There is not Reid Travis or PJ to post up and get tough buckets. This team is going to have to shoot and drive the ball, the shooting is going to have to come in order to open up the driving.

Full disclosure - I read your post as "many things are underappreciated." That's what prompted my question. I agree 100% that his ability to bring elite freshmen together as a cohesive unit doesn't get nearly the respect that it deserves (see: "he just rolls the ball out there"). That's irritated me from day one. Having said that, there are plenty of valid criticisms of Cal. We haven't exactly seen the expected ROI on his hire and subsequent pay/contract. As you said, he is stubborn. I also don't believe he's a great bench-coach (see: <stomp><stomp>"GOOOOOOO!!!!"). I don't have a lot of faith in him to make adjustments. I don't know, it just seems like he's fat and happy, and willing to play the "they're freshmen" card all too often.
 
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This part of Cal’s postgame comments jumped out..

JOHN CALIPARI: They were spreading the court and saying, I’m beating this dude on the dribble and they beat him only the dribble. We weren’t in to go out. We were spreading the court out. We weren’t playing the way we play. And then we got better where we moved it in and we made our little run.

 
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He’s so fng stubborn in defeat he’s determined to show that “THE WAY WE PLAY” is to pound the ball in the post and that’s the recipe for winning.

Good fng grief. I said last year it was a crime that we could barely sore 60 points against Wofford and needed a miracle to scratch 60 and win against Houston. This philosophy cost us immortality in 2015, damn near cost us the title in 2012 and was exposed last year when we lost to Auburn employing an outside/in approach.
 

catsfanbgky

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I really and truly will never understand WTF Cal is thinking when a player (Maxey last night), will go on a scoring tear, then the next ball stoppage, his *** is riding the pine. It is almost like Cal is saying "No, you are not showing me up, we do not play hero ball, you did not throw it to the post, or let the offense set up."

Fans need to quit throwing the ******** Duke, or insert team that gets a player Cal is on, with "They paid him." No, the coach is just using facts and telling players, do you really want to play there and try to play in THAT "offense" ? It is not negative recruiting when it is the truth. And I know look in the NBA will be the counter, but I would venture to say if a John Wall or some like that was coming into college NOW, would the sign with UK ? We got a great class coming next year, if Cal Effs that up, it may be while before we see another one like it.
 

krazykats

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I’ve come to the conclusion Cal likes benching people on a high note when it’s his “star” players, and at the worst points when it isn’t

Like going to the bench when on a roll is helpful to them when they check back in.

Like he has dyslexia.
 

Ron Mehico

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I always thought he did that to keep the team “uncomfortable”, especially in beginning of season. Like when we jump out to a big lead he usually subs out a whole group of players or if we have a big lead in second half. In the tournament he almost never does it and the main guys usually play at least 30 mins, but I’ll readily admit I’m more of a positive outlook guy.
 

Hank Camacho

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May 7, 2002
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I always thought he did that to keep the team “uncomfortable”, especially in beginning of season. Like when we jump out to a big lead he usually subs out a whole group of players or if we have a big lead in second half. In the tournament he almost never does it and the main guys usually play at least 30 mins, but I’ll readily admit I’m more of a positive outlook guy.

You also aren't a waterheaded idiot. So there's that.
 

krazykats

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James Harden is going to make it to the Hall of Fame by being a complete pain in the *** ballhog who never won a f***ing thing.

Houston is again one of the top teams in the West, and they are built so that Harden’s volume shots are what they want.

Harden being 2 Chris Paul injuries away from possible NBA Finals appearance during the GSW dominance is something, whether you want to recognize it or not.

Tonight just a cool 45 on 12-26(7-13 on 3’s) and 7 assist.

Austin Rivers begging for his dads ejection was fun to watch with my money on the Rockets tonight.
 

anthonys735

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I’ve come to the conclusion Cal likes benching people on a high note when it’s his “star” players, and at the worst points when it isn’t

Like going to the bench when on a roll is helpful to them when they check back in.

Like he has dyslexia.
Way too many words and poorly constructed but -> yes. He benches the hot hand everytime.
 

anthonys735

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-Thanks for replacing it, I guess.

-Bob is a real steak eater, no sauces required.

-Been casually looking at Traeger Grills for a few months, wrong time of year, but I may be selling out on the BGE.

-Still avoiding social media and such. Being a fanatic is dumb.
 
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I’m wanting to try “smoking” the turkey on my Weber kettle this year - anyone ever tried that? Looks like it’s complicated but possible
 
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