Exactly. People weren't 100% efficient in the office...not even close to that. Look at this thread for how busy most of us are during the day. Employers learned that most people get close to the same amount of work done at home that they did in the office. Virtual meetings have allowed them to cut travel expenses and also real estate expenses. Where I work they're downsizing and selling buildings because most people don't want to come back to the office and work efficiency hasn't dipped enough to demand them back.
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Agree with everyone that people should stay at jobs they hate to make things easier for others (I.e., me).
WFH is affecting everything. I can’t work from home because I’m a man with a real job that requires manly tools but the hours we were open to accommodate the public, the busier times, weekends, etc has all changed dramatically so it’s been interesting having to pivot how we schedule every 6 months it seems. Not sure when it will “settle” but it’s definitely meant managing a small business has been a lot more confusing.
All haven't suffered. That's insane. Hell, a lot of people had an amazing pandemic. I personally know teachers that taught their classes in NJ/NYC from a beach in Florida. Others got a bunch of government handouts to stay home. The ones that suffered are the companies and workers that depended, and everyone expected, to continue work in person.
Lol, at Chad's team, probably making up less than .01% of a hospital nextwork, working effectively at home, while the people that are producing have been on the damn front lines the last 2 years. That is exactly the mentality I'm talking about, bubba.
This isn't about Wett not flying 5 days a week for sales calls or subbing a few in person meetings for a a quick zoom. Congrats to the minority that can WFH, I would hate it, but it's time we get the pretenders back to where they need to be.
Lol, at Chad's team, probably making up less than .01% of a hospital nextwork, working effectively at home, while the people that are producing have been on the damn front lines the last 2 years. That is exactly the mentality I'm talking about, bubba.
This isn't about Wett not flying 5 days a week for sales calls or subbing a few in person meetings for a a quick zoom. Congrats to the minority that can WFH, I would hate it, but it's time we get the pretenders back to where they need to be.
I recruit software engineers for one of the big tech companies (I guess I’m a tech bro). I used to work in an office, and 85% of my day was spent fighting for quiet rooms to take phone calls instead of taking in an open office area next to 12 other people doing the same thing. The people I’m recruiting are all over the place anyway and hybrid work in Seattle, LA, New York, the Bay, Austin - so it’s not like I’m missing on anything by not sitting next to them.
Now I take calls wherever and whenever the f*ck I want, get to live in Lexington instead of an overpriced tech hub, and rack up 4-5 trips to Seattle/LA a year for some free miles/points.
Pretty sweet deal and tbh I have no reason to go back to the office - I can’t think of a single thing my role gains from being in one. I’m definitely spoiled/lucky in that regard, but whatever - it’s been great for me.
Now I take calls wherever and whenever the f*ck I want, get to live in Lexington instead of an overpriced tech hub, and rack up 4-5 trips to Seattle/LA a year for some free miles/points.
Pretty sweet deal and tbh I have no reason to go back to the office - I can’t think of a single thing my role gains from being in one. I’m definitely spoiled/lucky in that regard, but whatever - it’s been great for me.
Anth is just pissed that he can't make MORE people work in an attic in the middle of summer.
Sorry, bubsy.
Sorry, bubsy.
I also wonder how many people will like work from home in 5 years that work for a big company. Face to face time with a boss so he can see your talents, being reliable and presentable, forming real life connections with the work team, those are all things crucial for raises and moving up the ladder. Will those raises now go to Shawn, the guy that works remote from Montana with no kids that no one has ever met that has really high productivity scores because he doesn’t have a family and sits on the computer 15 hours a day? I’m just curious how it will effect work culture. If you go into work once a year do your bosses even know or give a **** about you? Are you easier to replace because they can get candidates from anywhere in the country instead of your city?
In sales my experience is that the boss doesn't care how it's done, so long as you're hitting your numbers and making them look good to their boss. So as long as you're generating revenue for the company - yes.
Less corporate politics and more merit-based evaluations isn't a bad thing.
I'd go to war with Ron. Hell off an ally, imo.
Cant remember the last serious labor/player union strike outside of the NFL - but its been since 1987 for pro football having serious problems in that arena i think
1983 season i BELIEVE resulted in like an 8 game season with elaborate tie breakers to determine playoffs - cause so many were log jammed with 4-4 records or whatever
Seems like baseball almost shut down in the 90s?
Throwback uniform of the day - 1997 Basketball Unis:
1983 season i BELIEVE resulted in like an 8 game season with elaborate tie breakers to determine playoffs - cause so many were log jammed with 4-4 records or whatever
Seems like baseball almost shut down in the 90s?
Throwback uniform of the day - 1997 Basketball Unis:
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“supply chain” is your moms nickname for wang lmao
I love WFH and would take less money to keep doing it vs going back into the office. It's also amazing to be able to get a team on a quick call, delegate and then go back to playing video games. Once you learn how to manage your day and maximize your efficiencies, you end up with way more freedom. And, no one cares as long as you get your **** done.
From what you brought up, Ron. I turned down a promotion because I wouldn't be able to effectively lead a team remotely. Some people need to have a managerial presence around them to remember to show up on time.
The counter to a company being able to pick anyone now also is a benefit to the worker that now has infinitely more job opportunities. So far, the pandemic helped us move past the stigma that WFH people are lazy and unproductive. Now that it's become normalized, there is a lot of benefit on both the company and employee side. It seems both companies and employees have figured out a pretty happy medium with all of this.
From what you brought up, Ron. I turned down a promotion because I wouldn't be able to effectively lead a team remotely. Some people need to have a managerial presence around them to remember to show up on time.
The counter to a company being able to pick anyone now also is a benefit to the worker that now has infinitely more job opportunities. So far, the pandemic helped us move past the stigma that WFH people are lazy and unproductive. Now that it's become normalized, there is a lot of benefit on both the company and employee side. It seems both companies and employees have figured out a pretty happy medium with all of this.
MLB didnt just "almost shut down" in the 90s. They cancelled the WS. Also, they had a lockout just last season.
Yeah completely makes sense regarding sales. That’s more of a baseball kind of role - team sports but individual stats.
For more collaborative types of work, I think it’s more difficult.
I could be wrong. Just what I’ve been noticing.
-it's different for different sectors, obvi. If you're a sales monkey/data cruncher/paper pusher...it's fine, but not if you have to get something material done.
^no disrespect...half of my gig is sales monkey/number cruching/paper pushing.
^I can do much of that portion at home, but I rarely do. Not a question of motivation. It's about work/life balance. My work place is my office/jobsites...my home is where I rest/have family time and pursue recreational activities.
^no disrespect...half of my gig is sales monkey/number cruching/paper pushing.
^I can do much of that portion at home, but I rarely do. Not a question of motivation. It's about work/life balance. My work place is my office/jobsites...my home is where I rest/have family time and pursue recreational activities.
Not in Sales, hybrid work schedule, being in office pays dividends, kept in loop on things when you don't see boss or big boss everyday, things I would never call big boss about I can catch him in fly-bys, at coffee station. etc.
Meeting ends on Zoom, people hang up and move on, while in office, hang around and start bringing up other topics not addressed or filled in on.
Meeting ends on Zoom, people hang up and move on, while in office, hang around and start bringing up other topics not addressed or filled in on.
We’ve been hybrid for the better part of the last year and a half, but it’s pretty meaningless when few people are in at the same time and you’re still on Zoom calls.
I feel like the biggest proponents of ending WFH are the same people who need Adderall to do their jobs in the office. Of course they don’t *get it.*
I need Vyvanse to do my job anywhere, but for civil lit, hybrid is absolutely where it's at. I would never want to go back to the full time WFH hell of spring 2020, but I love the flexibility of staying home for a day instead of going into the office. I miss some of the road time I had pre-pandemic, just because having a change of scenery is a major key for me to avoid feelings of burnout (as I discovered during lockdown). But law, at least on the civil side, has mostly normalized into a comfortable hybrid. I prefer it overall and most of my counterparts seem to agree. Except for depositions--sometimes those really need to be done in person.
My fiancé is in construction management and not only can he not do his job from home, he would go EFFING NUTS if he had to (which would make me effing nuts by proxy). He can't stand being in an office or chained to one location endlessly. He's actually perfectly content to get up and go to whatever site at whatever godawful early hour every day, which I admire because I would hate that. Neither of us have any job envy, which I feel like is a pretty ideal household situation.
Biggest beneficiary of my WFH days: the cat.
My fiancé is in construction management and not only can he not do his job from home, he would go EFFING NUTS if he had to (which would make me effing nuts by proxy). He can't stand being in an office or chained to one location endlessly. He's actually perfectly content to get up and go to whatever site at whatever godawful early hour every day, which I admire because I would hate that. Neither of us have any job envy, which I feel like is a pretty ideal household situation.
Biggest beneficiary of my WFH days: the cat.
You didn't mind them in yours when it was hot af up there.
Sorry, bud....this is 100% false. I managed many over the years that were simply slugs when they worked from home (distractions, self policing, organization, etc) vs. being on top of the productivity scale in the office. Flipping the switch from an office environment to home had negative effects on many. It is not for everyone. The importance of camaraderie and in-person team atmospheres can't be overstated.
However, I know there are those now who are successful at home, despite the changes/challenges we've faced in this country the last couple of years. How would they do if forced to go back to the office.....many questions for that as well.
No top sales producer falls off a map when given flexibility, quite the opposite.
You hired the wrong people or given the source, it' ****** management that stymied those individual's performance.
You hired the wrong people or given the source, it' ****** management that stymied those individual's performance.
Those guys are amazing. Trust I was not attempting to disrespect them, only their swarthy employer.
Oh UKO sucked at something else?
Crazy.
Crazy.
I sure do miss the good ole days of spending 45 minutes getting ready for work, trying to decide how to best mix and match 3-4 key pieces of Stein Mart/Jos A Bank discount clothing options, driving to the office and praying not to get stuck in morning private school traffic, being stuffed into a miserable, tiny, neutral colored cubicle, overhearing the ridiculous gossip of the sexually frustrated hens I had to sit next to, walking into the breakroom to see 40 overweight losers cackling at whatever daytime white trash talk show was playing on tv while the entire place smells like whatever tuna dish the last idiot stuck in the microwave, hearing the same lame triple-u jokes desperately try to land every single day ("hey, are you guys working hard.......or HARDLY WORKING hahahalololol"), forced interactions with the lowest performing boobs in the company, suffering thru the nonstop ***-kissing of the untalented hacks who thought they could politic their way all the way up the corporate latter to assistant vp sales relationship associate, pretending to respect the overpaid goofball that somehow manages to outrank you by about 5 promotions despite the fact he/she/they can barely tie their shoes the right way.....
.....yeah. I really do miss being surrounded by all the productivity.
.....yeah. I really do miss being surrounded by all the productivity.
I've essentially been in a hybrid work model since going out on my own. Spend a few hours a day on jobsites, doing lunch meetings, picking up supplies, rounding up bids...
The rest of my time is spent at my desk or kicked back in the easy chair doing phone calls or computer work.
I still hate zoom calls though.
The rest of my time is spent at my desk or kicked back in the easy chair doing phone calls or computer work.
I still hate zoom calls though.
I'd give up booze for my wife but I'd rather put a shotgun in my mouth than go to AA. I'm glad that it works for some people and saves lives but I literally can't imagine anything worse than sitting in a church basement slamming coffee and listening to a bunch of mopes talk about their disease.
My job requires me to have a lot of interaction with substance abuse treatment, etc. Had some SA counselor dude tell me he was an alcoholic in recovery. I asked him how long he had been clean and he told me 45 years or something. It seems pretty stupid to me that someone who took his last drink before I was effing born is running around calling himself an alcoholic and going to meetings.
To each their own I guess and, again, I'm glad it is out there for those who need it but I can't imagine a worse way to go through life.
* Hybrid is the way to go. If I'm employing / managing people, they're going to be in the office at least 2 days a week with certain events that are required to be in-person but allowed (after a probationary period) to have as flexible a schedule as their position allows.
Zoom calls, like anything else, have their time and place but aren't the end all, be all. What I hate is the push toward being overly informal with technology. I've got younger attorneys who have started texting me important documents like paystubs and tax returns for child support worksheets.
What in the absolute f***? Makes me want to insist on a zoom call so I can put my taint against the camera before beginning the call.
* When is Barnhart retiring? It is time.
* Joey doesn't do adderall? That's a shocker. I shudder to think of what would happen if he did.
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-life isn't always like it is in the movies, hank. Some aa meetings suck some are very good. If you find the right group...its far from your description. The meetings i used to attend regularly were a mix of people that stayed literally at the top of their industry with a few low bottom drunks mixed in. The key is finding the right group, in my experience. I generally only go now when someone asks me to help them/their spouse/friend etc. Some dudes do multiple meetings a week *long* into sobriety. Whatever works.
^a good buddy of mine quit drinking (etc) at 23 *(mid 50s now) and still hits a meeting a week.
*tbh...I'm like "you quit when you were 23? That doesn't count...you didn't even try to be a proper drunk."
-enough of that...im always around, need be.
^a good buddy of mine quit drinking (etc) at 23 *(mid 50s now) and still hits a meeting a week.
*tbh...I'm like "you quit when you were 23? That doesn't count...you didn't even try to be a proper drunk."
-enough of that...im always around, need be.
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Sitting through one of your classes probably is, too.
- That "Trainwreck: Woodstock '99" Netflix is nuts. I do not remember it being THAT bad. Going from '69 to that one is like watching a Pete Carril (RIP) offense to a Loyola Marymount late-80's/early 90's game.
My co-worker was there and said her and her friend thought they'd run through a pile of mud. Didn't turn out to be mud.
Damn my generation had some ****** taste in music (Korn/Limp Bizkit) at times.
- The Spread Gun in Contra was one of the most effective weapons in the NES world.
- Was a loyal Tom and Jerry nut as a kid, but the Deputy Droopy (1955) short is still the GOAT Hanna-Barbara cartoon.
- Feel Portnoy will be here for Keeneland/Breeders' Cup. Is there any pizza place(s) he'd visit to get a 7.5 or higher?
- Used to worship some fresh, homemade biscuits dipped into a mix of hot butter and Mrs. Butterworth's syrup. Is there a name for that? Just a sugar high all Sunday long.
- Cats -20.5 over Miami (OH)? Deal.
- Just realized I said "I built a boner." My drunk *** will fall on this sword.
My co-worker was there and said her and her friend thought they'd run through a pile of mud. Didn't turn out to be mud.
Damn my generation had some ****** taste in music (Korn/Limp Bizkit) at times.
- The Spread Gun in Contra was one of the most effective weapons in the NES world.
- Was a loyal Tom and Jerry nut as a kid, but the Deputy Droopy (1955) short is still the GOAT Hanna-Barbara cartoon.
- Feel Portnoy will be here for Keeneland/Breeders' Cup. Is there any pizza place(s) he'd visit to get a 7.5 or higher?
- Used to worship some fresh, homemade biscuits dipped into a mix of hot butter and Mrs. Butterworth's syrup. Is there a name for that? Just a sugar high all Sunday long.
- Cats -20.5 over Miami (OH)? Deal.
- Just realized I said "I built a boner." My drunk *** will fall on this sword.
-dad used to do butter/Bob white syrup. Crack.
It's elementary so you would probably struggle.
He went to Goodfellas, Pietana, Pies & Pints, and Pazzo’s last time. That’s nearly covers the non-chain places. He could still go to Joe Bologna’s, Pearls, Smashing Tomato, or Puccinis but none of those are great.
I haven’t watched the Netflix Woodstock Documentary but is it that much different than the HBO one last year? The way people have talked about it the last week makes it seems like it’s a brand new topic.
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