Guys I know Kylin is legit

[BKCBully]

But the way Moorhead handled aeris is criminal. A thousand yard rusher in 17 and now might not even get drafted, I'm seeing no mention of him anywhere. He was a great bulldog and deserved better. Heck the way all our rbs were utilized was awful.

 

[BKCBully]

And before I get all the hate, I'm not saying hill shouldn't have been the starter.

 

[wtw2400]

The problem wasn't Moorhead playing Kylin over Aeris. The problem was Moorhead not using either RB.

If Les Miles can take that 2011 LSU Offense to the SEC Championship and the National Championship Game, most coaches could finish 2nd at least in the SEC West with MSUs talent.

But now we wont have any of it. Hiring Moorhead was the biggest downfall to MSU Athletics Cohen couldve done.

 

[Cat Duck]

The problem wasn't Moorhead playing Kylin over Aeris. The problem was Moorhead not using either RB.

If Les Miles can take that 2011 LSU Offense to the SEC Championship and the National Championship Game, most coaches could finish 2nd at least in the SEC West with MSUs talent.

But now we wont have any of it. Hiring Moorhead was the biggest downfall to MSU Athletics Cohen couldve done.

I am willing to trade a 2nd place finish for a chance at finishing higher in the future

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Me too!***

Is Dabo or Nick available?****

 

[Cat Duck]

Me too!***

Is Dabo or Nick available?****

We all watched mediocre to good football for a decade under Mullen, and we were all tired of it and wanted more, you are lying if you say otherwise. The only reason we all wanted Mullen back was to see what he would do in 2018 with 'his' team, and honestly he would have just gone 10-2 with no trophies, and we would be frustrated yet again. We all knew he wanted to be gone, and we all knew he had quit recruiting and start relying on JUCO too much, just like another coach about 20 years ago.

I am ready to try for more, if it takes doing something different. Sure we could have hired Pruitt or a Mullen Disciple but ho hum.

 

[Seinfeld]

Right, let’s not pretend that Aeris didn’t play because Kylin was getting 20 touches/game. Neither one was effectively utilized because we ran an RPO that led to our QB tucking and running 20-25 times/gm.

People can keep blaming Fitz for that all they want, but it’s Joe’s offense and he knew what he was working with. He also had plenty of chances to make adjustments, and aside from the one Auburn game, we never saw many changes

Bottom line... there really wasn’t a single player on the offensive side of the ball that was effectively utilized last year, and we’re about to find out whether Fitz was to blame for all that or not. I know where my money lies

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

I will never be frustrated wit a 10 win season. Everrrrrr! You best take a little closer look at the Football Division MSU is in, the Recruiting Footprint, and the Financial Support Available to MSU for Athletics.

Heck! Our hated rivals have more financial support and they suck at Football.

What is the new expression: “Stay in your lane, bro.”. Well that applies to MSU Football.

The best year we ever had, was a year when Auburn, LSU and Texas A&M all under-achieved. At the same time, our hated rivals had one of their best ever teams, and we couldn’t beat them. We were closer to beating Bama that year than we were to beating the Loansharks.

10-2! Would be an outstanding accomplishment for MSU football. Every single year. Some years 10-2 would be SEC champs.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

But the way Moorhead handled aeris is criminal. A thousand yard rusher in 17 and now might not even get drafted, I'm seeing no mention of him anywhere. He was a great bulldog and deserved better. Heck the way all our rbs were utilized was awful.

If you think Moorhead's poor utilization of the running backs has anything to do with Aeris not getting drafted you need to step outside the maroon bubble and get a broader perspective. Aeris was a pretty good college back but there are hundreds of backs across the country just like him. He's tough, a good teammate, good pass protector and generally falls forward, but frankly he just doesn't have the talent level required for that position in the NFL. If you can't see that I question whether you watch much football outside of our games. There's lots of tape on Aeris, if he had what it takes he would be found regardless of the few number of carries he received last year.

 

[GTAdawg]

I would have taken 10-2 last year. Guess you prefer the actual result?

 

[Cat Duck]

I would have taken 10-2 last year. Guess you prefer the actual result?

No. I am just willing to roll the dice for the future result. I like to look 5 years down the road at minimum.

It may not work out, but I am willing to try. One thing we definitely know - Mullen did not want to be here.

Moorhead is (fairly) young, has a career in front of him, and by all accounts works his *** off in recruiting. That is what we need right now. That is the opposite of where Mullen was, though I do think he is re-energized at Florida.

 

[johnson86-1]

If you think Moorhead's poor utilization of the running backs has anything to do with Aeris not getting drafted you need to step outside the maroon bubble and get a broader perspective. Aeris was a pretty good college back but there are hundreds of backs across the country just like him. He's tough, a good teammate, good pass protector and generally falls forward, but frankly he just doesn't have the talent level required for that position in the NFL. If you can't see that I question whether you watch much football outside of our games. There's lots of tape on Aeris, if he had what it takes he would be found regardless of the few number of carries he received last year.

I agree with you that AW's measurables are what will keep him from getting drafted, not his lack of touches (although that obviously didn't help). But I'm a little more optimistic about him and think he's just one of those guys that are better than his measurables. My only question with him is that while I think he is a better RB than his measurables indicate, I'm not sure that will also translate to special teams, and I assume he's going to have to be solid on the special teams part to get a roster spot.

 

[ckDOG]

Josh Jacobs had 8 carries a game. Aeries has 7.

Jacobs is the only RB drafted right now.

It's more about talent/health than volume and utilization in college. Hell, with the way the NFL goes through RBs and the dollar value they place in them these days, Moorhead may have done him a favor by not beating him up. He could be viewed by a franchise as a fresh body and get picked up that way. Or at least the low carries could counter the fact he will be 24 heading into his rookie season. 24 is about peak age for a RB and ancient for a rookie.

 

[fishwater99]

Right, let’s not pretend that Aeris didn’t play because Kylin was getting 20 touches/game. Neither one was effectively utilized because we ran an RPO that led to our QB tucking and running 20-25 times/gm.

People can keep blaming Fitz for that all they want, but it’s Joe’s offense and he knew what he was working with. He also had plenty of chances to make adjustments, and aside from the one Auburn game, we never saw many changes

Bottom line... there really wasn’t a single player on the offensive side of the ball that was effectively utilized last year, and we’re about to find out whether Fitz was to blame for all that or not. I know where my money lies

What is scary is that our Coach couldn't see this and didn't adapt. Nothing from last year gives me any hope in Coach Joe going forward.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Mullen shat the bed a lot more than people want to admit his time here. He had everything in place in 2014 to get to the playoffs and shat it twice.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Josh Jacobs got taken in the 1st round, and he only had 120 carries this past season. The NFL will find the talent.

 

[DancingRabbit]

I remember most on here wanting more Kylin 2 yrs ago, but Dan wouldn't play a

freshman much. That was the prevailing mantra last August. "Maybe Joe will play the best player and not just start the senior."

In our new revised history Dan never made a RB call that anyone disagreed with. "cough" JRob vs Perk "cough" Holloway up the middle "cough, cough, hack"

 

[MrKotter]

The problem wasn't Moorhead playing Kylin over Aeris. The problem was Moorhead not using either RB.

If Les Miles can take that 2011 LSU Offense to the SEC Championship and the National Championship Game, most coaches could finish 2nd at least in the SEC West with MSUs talent.

But now we wont have any of it. Hiring Moorhead was the biggest downfall to MSU Athletics Cohen couldve done.

Whether some of you want to believe it or not, Fitz had a lot to do with the RBs lack of carries. He kept the ball a lot more than he should have.

 

[maroonmania]

Whether some of you want to believe it or not, Fitz had a lot to do with the RBs lack of carries. He kept the ball a lot more than he should have.

I just know that inside the opponents' 5 yard line last year we had only one play (or read). And that was a Fitz keeper. I'm really not sure why a defense would have bothered to defend anything else.

 

[maroonmania]

Mullen did not want to be here.

THIS is the key component. Vast majority of MSU fans would have been happy to give Mullen a lifetime contract if he had actually wanted to be here. Most of us were much more fed up with all of the job searching in November every year than the actual results on the field, although our on field results his last few Novembers were definitely impacted by his job hunting. Mullen would have been gone after the 2016 5-7 season but nobody worth a crap wanted him after a losing season.

 

[fishwater99]

Whether some of you want to believe it or not, Fitz had a lot to do with the RBs lack of carries. He kept the ball a lot more than he should have.

Absolutely, but it's on the coach to make the call to scrap the RPO for the hand-offs. And if Fitz didn't do it he should have benched him temporarily to make the point.
It's not that hard to understand. Ultimately it goes back to coaching.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Rushing production from our RBs: Better under Joe than post-2014 Dan

In 2015 RBs ran for 875 yds on 191 attempts for a 4.58 avg and scored 3 TDs.
In 2016 RBs ran for 1221 yds on 245 attempts for a 4.99 avg and scored 6 TDs.
In 2017 RBs ran for 1677 yds on 350 attempts for a 4.70 avg and scored 9 TDs.
In 2018 RBs ran for 1576 yds on 253 attempts for a 6.2 avg and scored 9 TDs.

I realize these numbers don't quite fit the narrative. Sorry about that.

 

[mstateglfr]

In 2015 RBs ran for 875 yds on 191 attempts for a 4.58 avg and scored 3 TDs.
In 2016 RBs ran for 1221 yds on 245 attempts for a 4.99 avg and scored 6 TDs.
In 2017 RBs ran for 1677 yds on 350 attempts for a 4.70 avg and scored 9 TDs.
In 2018 RBs ran for 1576 yds on 253 attempts for a 6.2 avg and scored 9 TDs.

I realize these numbers don't quite fit the narrative. Sorry about that.

Interesting.

And seeing this, one should then ask- with such an effective running game(based on those numbers), why not utilize the RBs more in '18?

 

[johnson86-1]

In 2015 RBs ran for 875 yds on 191 attempts for a 4.58 avg and scored 3 TDs.
In 2016 RBs ran for 1221 yds on 245 attempts for a 4.99 avg and scored 6 TDs.
In 2017 RBs ran for 1677 yds on 350 attempts for a 4.70 avg and scored 9 TDs.
In 2018 RBs ran for 1576 yds on 253 attempts for a 6.2 avg and scored 9 TDs.

I realize these numbers don't quite fit the narrative. Sorry about that.

It'd be interesting to see those numbers against average and above defenses. Basically 2017 is the only relevant comparison. 2017 was the only year there where mullen had a talented back that he let get the primary snaps. So throw out say OOC or even throw out OOC and Arkansas and Ole Miss for 2017 and 2018 and I wonder what the comparison looks like.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Interesting.

And seeing this, one should then ask- with such an effective running game(based on those numbers), why not utilize the RBs more in '18?

That's all you got from that? You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

 

[was21]

He may have a career in front of him unless he hits the skids here

 

[dawgstudent]

Mullen chose to use Brandon Holloway. That's on Mullen.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

That's all you got from that? You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

Fail.

 

[Cat Duck]

That's all you got from that? You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

Mullen rushed it 350 times. Moorhead rushed it 253.

Your own statistics show we did not rush it nearly enough in 2018.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

Interesting.

And seeing this, one should then ask- with such an effective running game(based on those numbers), why not utilize the RBs more in '18?

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this because I haven't studied the film to this level, but Moorhead's answer to that is that it's because they ran it only in advantageous situations. The point of the offense is to hit the defense where they are weak based on the formation and their post snap response. Problem is we weren't good enough in the passing game for this to work so teams forced us to pass thus limiting the run.

I understand this and it makes sense, but I think we should have schemed more ways to force our ability to run with the backs. Something we just didn't do except for the Auburn game.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

some of you folks willing to roll the dice must not have sat through many Croom games. We found something that worked here. We should have done everything we could to get something as close as possible. you keep saying everyone was tired of mediocre to good football? that's straight ********. Most ot the fans i knew were happy with our production and output with the understanding we would have down years being in between during our development period.

It is a shame Dan left after he had stockpiled a full group of qb's built to run the spread option. I can understand wanting to leave some place after a while though for something new and different or a bigger opporntunity.

taking a gamble at MSU can lead you back down a dark road. it's this time frame you might not get out of it.

 

[Drebin]

Mullen rushed it 350 times. Moorhead rushed it 253.

Your own statistics show we did not rush it nearly enough in 2018.

How many total plays did we average per game from one year to the next? You should probably look at that.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

some of you folks willing to roll the dice must not have sat through many Croom games. We found something that worked here. We should have done everything we could to get something as close as possible. you keep saying everyone was tired of mediocre to good football? that's straight ********. Most ot the fans i knew were happy with our production and output with the understanding we would have down years being in between during our development period.

It is a shame Dan left after he had stockpiled a full group of qb's built to run the spread option. I can understand wanting to leave some place after a while though for something new and different or a bigger opporntunity.

taking a gamble at MSU can lead you back down a dark road. it's this time frame you might not get out of it.

I agree with this.

And it doesn’t make sense, to me, to start a thread 5 months after the season ended on a topic that has been discussed over and over and live in MSU football misery.

 

[DancingRabbit]

It'd be interesting to see those numbers against average and above defenses. Basically 2017 is the only relevant comparison. 2017 was the only year there where mullen had a talented back that he let get the primary snaps. So throw out say OOC or even throw out OOC and Arkansas and Ole Miss for 2017 and 2018 and I wonder what the comparison looks like.

If Joe doesn't have a feature back on campus in year 6 I'm gonna come on here and ***** about it.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

If Ballard can get drafted so can Aeris. Moorhead didn’t give him a chance. Any guy who can get 1000 yards in the SEc next to a web who he splits carries with almost half should get drafted.