Seton Hall Pirates Basketball 
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Here is a link to a review I did on the guards. I need to add the latest shooters
| FacebookHere is a link to a review I did on the guards. I need to add the latest shooters
Guards
- Thread starter pglamonica
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Clark, Parker, Simpkins, Staton-McCray, Williams, Felton
vs.
Jones, Parker (Y2 bump), Wilcher, Brown, Anderson, Thomas, Moore
Seems pretty even to me, all things considered. Different styles. Nobody is the creator Clark was, but Jones may open the floor more. Brown and Thomas won’t be the defenders of ASM + Williams but should give us more offensively as pairs. Very realistic to say Wilcher will be better than what Simpkins was for us last year.
Would’ve liked to see Clark breaking down defenses and passing out to Brown and Wilcher.
vs.
Jones, Parker (Y2 bump), Wilcher, Brown, Anderson, Thomas, Moore
Seems pretty even to me, all things considered. Different styles. Nobody is the creator Clark was, but Jones may open the floor more. Brown and Thomas won’t be the defenders of ASM + Williams but should give us more offensively as pairs. Very realistic to say Wilcher will be better than what Simpkins was for us last year.
Would’ve liked to see Clark breaking down defenses and passing out to Brown and Wilcher.
This! Last year Clark had to deal with a clogged up middle of the floor. Could you imagine what he could have done with two sharp shooters on the wings to open up the floor? When McCray and Simpkins was hitting threes, the Hall was very tough.
I was a big Clark fan and people underestimate how impactful he really is.
It seems like this was Sha's pitch and ig the rumors are true we met his number. So, Sha was not underestimating Clark's value.
There is not much you can do to stem off a lack of loyalty like that. If Sha drove him hard, so what. The kid played 32 minutes a game and was 2nd Team All Big East. Sha should get a commission for highlighting this kid's play and Clark cashing in.
Agree Clark was really good and would have been better this year. So far it does not appear we have that PG/facilitator and won't have that.. Hopefully one of our guys emerges that can shoot and defend better than Clark did and can distribute - that will help.
Clark was a solid on ball defender but teams used his size against him a lot. Clark was also helped with two shot blockers when he would lose his guy to help his defense. We are most likely not gonna have those two shot blockers the way this is looking no so having bigger guards will help our perimeter defense vs last year. I was never impressed with Simpkins D either - I think he is very replaceable with our current roster. Losing Clark and Najai hurt no doubt in so many ways.
This is why it's so disappointing that Sha seems to have to learn lessons slowly in stages. Anyone with a brain could have said pairing a pg like Clark with a shooter is a number one priority, otherwise Clark's effectiveness immediately is bottled up. But obviously that was not a priority for him last season.
Is this the first year so far in his tenure that he's bringing in a few actual shooters who AREN'T known as being gritty/defensive minded players? I think it is. Maybe the closest exception might be Dawes?
Sha needs to find some very huge human beings quickly. So far this isn’t impressive.
If you thought our offense was stagnant last year with a PG (and most of you do). This looks to be worse. Without a lead guard we’re going to rely on everybody winning 1on1 when they get the ball in their hands.
Of course, maybe somebody will turn out to be a good PG. maybe all of them shoot lights out. Who knows.
We’re in agreement. But the irony is Clark’s game and limitations also was a big cause in opponents’ sagging and boxing defense. Simply a bid roster mix offensively; why our #’s were so awful.
Would love to know the full story and dollar amounts on how the Clark situation was fumbled. Or maybe we did everything perfectly and only money yet again (doubtful IMO).
I think we have more talent this year, but last year’s team definitely bought in to the team approach, competed hard, played defense, etc.
I’m not a fan of Clark. 5’8, 100lbs, can’t shoot, won’t shoot, thought his midrange 12ft & extended was poor (given all the hype), he did do a great job of facilitating and running the team. I think Jones is more skilled but idk if he will be able to run the team as well as Clark did.
The Big East appears to have crushed the transfer portal. We have the worst roster on paper (no forwards/center). Going to need another miracle out of Sha, imo. Hopefully that changes with a few new transfers.
I’m not a fan of Clark. 5’8, 100lbs, can’t shoot, won’t shoot, thought his midrange 12ft & extended was poor (given all the hype), he did do a great job of facilitating and running the team. I think Jones is more skilled but idk if he will be able to run the team as well as Clark did.
The Big East appears to have crushed the transfer portal. We have the worst roster on paper (no forwards/center). Going to need another miracle out of Sha, imo. Hopefully that changes with a few new transfers.
I know you are not a fan of Clark and you love Coleman but I would take Clark over Coleman any day. As far as his midrange we must have been looking at different players as I thought Budd had a very good mid range stop and pop.
Clarks career stats are so much better too!
Clarks career stats are so much better too!
Clark played at low level d1 for 2 years. Coleman power 5 for 3 years.
Coleman as a soph > Clark as a jr (landslide)
Coleman as a soph > Clark as a jr (landslide)
I mean Clark plays a premium position, ball in his hands, he didn’t have a terrible year. But Coleman as a soph compared to Clark as a jr put up better numbers, and shot better from every part of the field, even fts. I take Coleman pretty comfortably. I also think scoring the basketball is the number one most important factor and Coleman does that a lot better, imo.
No need to read any of your posts after saying you would choose Coleman over Clark. Insane take.
What does Clark do better than Coleman beside handle?
shoot better from the field? Coleman
shoot better from 3? Coleman
shoot better from the ft line? Coleman
rebound? Coleman
shoot better from the field? Coleman
shoot better from 3? Coleman
shoot better from the ft line? Coleman
rebound? Coleman
Coleman is taller.
OMG.
If you think Clark is better - please tell me what he is better at? Because it’s nothing on the offensive end.
Not arguing either way but in today’s game no player should be attempting a midrange shot. 3Pt shot or in the paint is what wins games.
I was of the mindset before last year that had Coleman returned on paper he would have been our best player. He had a stretch of very solid production during the BE schedule on a team where he was the only legit offensive option. Sure I thought there was a Rickey Davis aspect to his stats - the whole good guy on a bad team thing - but as a junior I thought it was reasonable to think of him as our best possible player had he returned, not knowing how Clark would play coming up a level or what we would get from Hines as a freshman or other newcomers.
After seeing from afar what Coleman did at OSU last year, and watching Clark make second team all league and first team all defense, I think is is pretty apparent that coming into this season Clark is the superior player. And again I’m not one who sh$& on kids when they leave because they aren’t here or lets that impact how I view them.
He has a better offensive rating on higher usage. Offensive rating encompasses everything. So Budd is better on offense. Budd is also immeasurably better on defense by every metric.
Honestly, it takes a special kind of stubborn to continue stanning for Isaiah Coleman.
Stubborn wasn’t the word I had in mind.
