Greg McDermott

[bac2therac]

this should be an interesting thread

not sure what he was thinking by using those words...an incredible and inexplicable poor choice. Howevef, His body of work and reputation and high praise leads me to believe he should get a mulligan for this. He screwed up but just cannot cancel him when his actions speak louder than words

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...ermott-uses-racially-insensitive-analogy-team

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

I think a mulligan is not an option. How you can tell a group of people that includes black people to "stay on the plantation" and have it not be racist is just impossible to me.

 

[bac2therac]

I personally believe his players current and former should have the biggest input. Apparently McDermott is well regarded in the hoops community. Its these people and not some twitter mob that should get to decide. Sometimes people f up, remember Fran Lawrence, whatever came out of his mouth during that one speech was not indictive of his behavior and actions toward the black community.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

he should be fired for stupidity

 

[ColonelRutgers]

I've heard of being "off the reservation" but never "off the plantation". Weird. "Off the Reservation" is probably verboten now too. Don't know.

Lawrence's comments were beyond that and he was a University President. A former English Professor choosing the words "genetic, heredity" background as a disadvantage for black student achievement is a shockingly offensive comment. That's something you'd expect to read about from the mid-1800's or something. There's a big difference to referring to genetics and heredity rather than economic disadvantages or access to quality public schools or something.

 

[bac2therac]

I've heard of being "off the reservation" but never "off the plantation". Weird. "Off the Reservation" is probably verboten now too. Don't know.

Lawrence's comments were beyond that and he was a University President. A former English Professor choosing the words "genetic, heredity" background as a disadvantage for black student achievement is a shockingly offensive comment. That's something you'd expect to read about from the mid-1800's or something. There's a big difference to referring to genetics and heredity rather than economic disadvantages or access to quality public schools or something.

with Lawrence comments, I truly believe he misspoke...and correct me if I am wrong but he was speaking to an audience and apparently only months later it resurfaced from a tape but apparently at that time of the speech no one had taken issue...

 

[bac2therac]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...esident/7f3a031c-9097-4bf6-88f7-38f7461213bd/

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Wow. I just had to laugh at how stupid that was. Without a doubt, the formal apology is necessary. If it’s the first time he’s done it, I don’t think he should be fired for that comment.

 

[Plum Street]

Shouldn’t be fired . But what a dumb thing to say . This can’t help recruiting . You can’t win with just white guys. Iowa is trying to do it , but that’s an outlier

 

[Eagleton95.99]

I don't think he should be fired. We come from a racist world and many of the expressions (and actions) people use unconsciously propagate racism. When someone uses one of those historical phrases born of our racist roots, that possibly just means they weren't thinking hard enough about it. Or they were ignorant. And/or they just made a mistake. Those phrases are out there, in our subconscious, and it's easy to slip up and have one accidentally pop out. It's an example of being a product of your surroundings. In situations like that everyone should be given the opportunity give a sincere apology and attempt to make a positive change. I'm a left wing socialist. But cancel culture is real and out of hand.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Shouldn’t be fired . But what a dumb thing to say . This can’t help recruiting . You can’t win with just white guys. Iowa is trying to do it , but that’s an outlier

Did you read over what you wrote before you sent it?

 

[zappaa]

I’m hoping his players and ex players vehemently come to his defense.

If they don’t, something is amiss given his apology

 

[Plum Street]

Did you read over what you wrote before you sent it?

Yes ...what he said was dumb . And it won’t help recruiting . Opposing coaches will use it against him. Am I wrong ?

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Unfortunately, this is not a cancel culture topic, the issue isn't the dumb statement....it is an isolated issue if it's 1 thing, there's really nothing here to debate.

What McDermott opens himself up to, is what got Pat Chambers in trouble at PSU....it was the crazy dumb/ignorant statement, that got compiled with the prior players who perhaps had their own run-ins with Chambers that pushed them to act.

There are former players that will be asked about McDermott and that's the potential issue here. If something else gets uncovered that was swept under the rug, rest assured it's not the original comment that gets you, it's the combination of things.

On a separate item and same issue, the Indians Pitching Coach and former Mets Manager, Mackey Callaway.....at first, it was the accusation by the former reporter.....then it became 2 or 3....then more than that.....

And then the process traced back to his Cleveland timeframe and what did or didn't the Indians organization know about Callaway as a person.....did they know he was creepy and/or a sexual harassment dude for awhile...??

First the Indians said they didn't know anything like this with Callaway.....THEN they thought about it some more, they acknowledged they did know he was problematic during his Cleveland timeframe.....

It's never the isolated mistake or misstep.....it's the pattern of hiccups/mistakes and what you did or didn't know if you are Creighton.....if players come forward saying that they went to people above McDermott to other places in the Athletic Department and Creighton sat on them and did nothing, McDermott is going to get suspended or beyond.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Unfortunately, this is not a cancel culture topic, the issue isn't the dumb statement....it is an isolated issue if it's 1 thing, there's really nothing here to debate.

What McDermott opens himself up to, is what got Pat Chambers in trouble at PSU....it was the crazy dumb/ignorant statement, that got compiled with the prior players who perhaps had their own run-ins with Chambers that pushed them to act.

There are former players that will be asked about McDermott and that's the potential issue here. If something else gets uncovered that was swept under the rug, rest assured it's not the original comment that gets you, it's the combination of things.

On a separate item and same issue, the Indians Pitching Coach and former Mets Manager, Mackey Callaway.....at first, it was the accusation by the former reporter.....then it became 2 or 3....then more than that.....

And then the process traced back to his Cleveland timeframe and what did or didn't the Indians organization know about Callaway as a person.....did they know he was creepy and/or a sexual harassment dude for awhile...??

First the Indians said they didn't know anything like this with Callaway.....THEN they thought about it some more, they acknowledged they did know he was problematic during his Cleveland timeframe.....

It's never the isolated mistake or misstep.....it's the pattern of hiccups/mistakes and what you did or didn't know if you are Creighton.....if players come forward saying that they went to people above McDermott to other places in the Athletic Department and Creighton sat on them and did nothing, McDermott is going to get suspended or beyond.

The pattern of action you mention is the difference between someone making a mistake and getting (unfairly) cancelled, and someone who is actually an unrepentant racist or sexist and deserves punishment.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I am not one that rails against cancel culture or the me too movement. I think I am for some form of monetary restitution. With that being said I constantly use words wrong and get sayings wrong. My wife corrects/makes fun of me all the time.

If this is a good guy I feel for him. If he acts at all with any slight hint of racist or sexist behavior than I’d get rid of him without any pause.

 

[bac2therac]

I’m hoping his players and ex players vehemently come to his defense.

If they don’t, something is amiss given his apology

I think we pretty much know right away

 

[bac2therac]

saw a clip where Jay Williams say he hears rumors that one or more players may want to boycott but do not know how to go about it


if true then McDermott would be toast. If the players are thinking this then its their say first before anyone.

 

[MADHAT1]

I personally believe his players current and former should have the biggest input. Apparently McDermott is well regarded in the hoops community. Its these people and not some twitter mob that should get to decide. Sometimes people f up, remember Fran Lawrence, whatever came out of his mouth during that one speech was not indictive of his behavior and actions toward the black community.

Former and current Creighton players should play a big role, rather than outsiders that have no real idea of how Greg McDermott is and treats the players under him and how they react with McDermott after they leave the program .

Until we know more ,McDermott might deserve the benefit of doubt about what he said being not the way he is and go by what the people who know him have to say
But if something was swept under the rug on this type of behavior that shows a pattern of acting like what he just apologized for, all benefit of the doubt will be pushed aside and Creighton needs to end
their relationship with him

 

[KevH]

I personally believe his players current and former should have the biggest input. Apparently McDermott is well regarded in the hoops community. Its these people and not some twitter mob that should get to decide. Sometimes people f up, remember Fran Lawrence, whatever came out of his mouth during that one speech was not indictive of his behavior and actions toward the black community.

At present, I don't know enough about this situation to offer my own opinion about McDermott, but I definitely agree with the statements I highlighted. They know him a lot better than we do.

 

[RUBOB72]

How about if we cancel those of the cancel culture? The premise that he’s now a “ racist “ is absurd because of the statement. His former players should have immense input. Everything needs to evaluated before labeling a person. Goes both ways.

 

[Plum Street]

saw a clip where Jay Williams say he hears rumors that one or more players may want to boycott but do not know how to go about it


if true then McDermott would be toast. If the players are thinking this then its their say first before anyone.

Damn

 

[RUinPinehurst]

Procure a large can and put him in it.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

saw a clip where Jay Williams say he hears rumors that one or more players may want to boycott but do not know how to go about it


if true then McDermott would be toast. If the players are thinking this then its their say first before anyone.

Depends who wants to boycott. there is always someone who has an ulterior motive.

 

[DirtyRU]

I have two takeaway from that article. #1 What an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And #2 Terrence Rencher... heck of a ballplayer out of St. Raymond's in the Bronx back in the 90s. Another one that got away, sigh. Had a nice career at Texas and I think a cup of coffee in the "L".

 

[Plum Street]

I don't get why this seems to be a disappointment to so many? Feels like a lot of people see firing someone who says racist things, even if those around him every day want him fired, as a loss somehow.

Not a loss . I just find it incredibly stupid that in college basketball a coach would say that .

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Yes ...what he said was dumb . And it won’t help recruiting . Opposing coaches will use it against him. Am I wrong ?

I just thought it was ironic that you excused him from his statement, but then used "you can't win with just white guys", which I think could be considered a dumb statement as well, and some might even take it as racist. However, you seem like a good poster so I just wanted to give you my take on it and not get into a back and forth with you.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Shouldn’t be fired . But what a dumb thing to say . This can’t help recruiting . You can’t win with just white guys. Iowa is trying to do it , but that’s an outlier

Trying?

 

[Plum Street]

I just thought it was ironic that you excused him from his statement, but then used "you can't win with just white guys", which I think could be considered a dumb statement as well, and some might even take it as racist. However, you seem like a good poster so I just wanted to give you my take on it and not get into a back and forth with you.

Sorry ..didn’t mean to be racist . Just calling it how it is. Asinine comment from anyone , especially someone in that profession

 

[knightru]

I was a student when Fran Lawrence made the remarks and then started having small group meetings with students and I was asked to be in one. Even his apology/explanation was sad. I sat there thinking “this guy is our Univ prez???” He may have misspoke originally but tripped over himself repeatedly after it became news.

 

[RUfubar_rivals]

parapraxis.

n. an error that is believed to express unconscious wishes, attitudes, or impulses. Examples of such errors include slips of the pen, slips of the tongue and other forms of verbal leakage, forgetting significant events, mislaying objects with unpleasant associations, unintentional puns, and motivated accidents.

many psychoanalysts believe it means absolutely nothing and is just a misstep.
we have all done it.
unfortunately for this guy, even if he doesn't have a pattern of behavior, it's become very in vogue to "pile on." Even if his players want to come to his defense, they can become the object of an attack for not piling on. welcome to the New world.

 

[Night Man]

One of my first thoughts was that with very few exceptions, in the modern world, if you're a racist, you're probably finding a profession other than high level college basketball coach. But then you get some people like Mike Rice who treat a lot of their players w/o dignity and it's not really racially driven. So then I thought: I guess it's possible that McDermott is just a jerk and he'll have enough players and former players with negative reports that it'll portray him in a bad light. Not saying he is. There are a lot of ways this could go and not all of them necessarily tell the whole story about the man or what would lead him to even have that phrase in his repertoire.

 

[srru86]

Washington Post

Creighton loses a prized recruit over Coach Greg McDermott’s plantation comment​

We'll never know how many recruits we lost over strip free throws, raging ball tossing, or whatever, but I'd suggest just losing was a bigger problem.
Glad we've turned that corner finally.

 

[NightKnight]

True story. I'm in 3rd grade in Catholic school. A man with a collar walks in the classroom. The teacher says, "Does anyone on know what this man is?" My hand shoots up and I get picked and say, "He's a Demon," everyone laughs as I shrink to the size of a pea. Obviously I'd meant to say "Deacon."

Anyway, I'd give him the benefit of a doubt. That this gets out is a sign that there are some people looking to blow-up anything. You go out in the world and you find out that half the people think they're smarter than their boss. Half of those think the boss is a down right clown. On a team, 5 players players start and 12 guys think they should start. Fans might think its a cozy family and a coach might want to project that (I'm thinking specifically about Coach Waters) but it is never really the case until 20 years after you've won the national championship, coach is dead, and you're on a reunion show televised by ESPN.

 

[RUPete]

One of my first thoughts was that with very few exceptions, in the modern world, if you're a racist, you're probably finding a profession other than high level college basketball coach. But then you get some people like Mike Rice who treat a lot of their players w/o dignity and it's not really racially driven. So then I thought: I guess it's possible that McDermott is just a jerk and he'll have enough players and former players with negative reports that it'll portray him in a bad light. Not saying he is. There are a lot of ways this could go and not all of them necessarily tell the whole story about the man or what would lead him to even have that phrase in his repertoire.

Mike Rice treated everyone with equal insanity.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Mike Rice made fun of peoples ethnicity and made fun of the way people talked.

Mike Rice is a bad guy. I don’t know the exact definition of a racist. Thinking one is superior to another kind of fits my bill of a racist.

 

[mikewalsh]

Mike Rice made fun of peoples ethnicity and made fun of the way people talked.

Mike Rice is a bad guy. I don’t know the exact definition of a racist. Thinking one is superior to another kind of fits my bill of a racist.

My kids tell me that you can't be racist if you're a minority, this is what we get for a $250,000 education.

 

[RU-ROCS]

I personally believe his players current and former should have the biggest input. Apparently McDermott is well regarded in the hoops community. Its these people and not some twitter mob that should get to decide. Sometimes people f up, remember Fran Lawrence, whatever came out of his mouth during that one speech was not indictive of his behavior and actions toward the black community.

I agree that the players should have the biggest input. They would no if it was a total aberration or his true colors.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Incredibly dumb comment, but should be treated as a teachable moment.

 

[Rufaninga]

Those phrases are out there, in our subconscious, and it's easy to slip up and have one accidentally pop out.

I live in the south. I see plantation style older homes. I have NEVER heard the phrase "stay on the plantation" in ANY casual conversation I have had in 50 years.

Who on this board has had this phrase come up in a conversation before? I don't think it is a common phrase slip up. It's HUGELY ignorant in my eyes.