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GhostOfJackie

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When MSU and MSU Athletics entered the political arena they left me behind forever. I will never give another dime financially or waste my time cheering for the teams.

Wait, when did our MSU athletics enter the political arena? I know certain players have posted on social media about social issues I don't agree with, and KH was certainly vocal on the flag issue (which I did agree with), but it doesn't seem to be coming from the athletic department as a whole. Seems to be individual players voicing their stupid opinions, which I can easily overlook.

The only major issue I have seen is cancelling practice that one day, which they made up the following day. Yeah, I don't agree but it's not a deal breaker. The deal breaker to me is when they start disrespecting the flag and that's hard to do in the locker room. Please don't hurt the University that we all love over some silly **** like that.
 
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I mostly agree with you, but I’ll also say that multiple MSU AD’s have made it abundantly clear to me during the last 15 years that we have a business relationship. If I want seats, they need money. If I want to keep my seats the following year, they need more money. If I were to say... make a pledge based on existing tax law and then that happened to drastically change, they expect the money I pledged.

I say all that to say... if I’m going to expect MSU to compete in the SEC and have nice things, I absolutely should and will help. Aside from that, though, I feel absolutely no moral obligation to them.
 

notoriousD_O_G

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And anyone trying to make a direct comparison of what happened in 1963 with the idiocy we are witnessing today just really doesn't get it.

While I obviously agree that the game of change was more important and impactful than the march the game of change was by far the most "political" thing that our athletic department has ever done.

His problem isn't that our university is political. He has a problem that our student athletes were allowed and encouraged to exercise their right to a PEACFUL protest. I don't agree with a lot of the rhetoric or what some people in this country try to pass off as protesting but there is nothing wrong with what they did.
 

thatsbaseball

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Do you really believe the people who control the purse strings at MSU would allow an AD who has made as many "questionable" decisions as John Cohen has to make an arbitrary decision to hire a 5 mil/football coach ? I don't like John Cohen and think he has been bad for MSU but I've got him down as puppet..... though I admittedly don't know who his "puppet masters" are.
 

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While I obviously agree that the game of change was more important and impactful than the march the game of change was by far the most "political" thing that our athletic department has ever done.

His problem isn't that our university is political. He has a problem that our student athletes were allowed and encouraged to exercise their right to a PEACFUL protest. I don't agree with a lot of the rhetoric or what some people in this country try to pass off as protesting but there is nothing wrong with what they did.

Yes and no. It had big political implications, but it was dubmass racists in state government that injected politics into sports. Our team was just playing basketball, which is what most fans want their teams to do.
 

kired

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That's how I read it. The lower you are, the bigger bonus this would be. But for someone already donating $1000 per seat every year, they're already accumulating so many points that 50 isn't a big deal.

My guess is a lot of us outside of maybe the top 2000 or so, weren't going to qualify for tickets. So they're trying to come up with a way to encourage us to go ahead and make donations this year rather than us give nothing because we didn't get tickets.


maybe this thread will stay open even though its mostly been hijacked...
 

Russ Wheeler

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Do you really believe the people who control the purse strings at MSU would allow an AD who has made as many "questionable" decisions as John Cohen has to make an arbitrary decision to hire a 5 mil/football coach ? I don't like John Cohen and think he has been bad for MSU but I've got him down as puppet..... though I admittedly don't know who his "puppet masters" are.
Yeah, well, no disrespect or anything, but you really don't know what you're talking about. The only puppet master Cohen has is Keenum.
 

MittRomney

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I’m almost there

When MSU and MSU Athletics entered the political arena they left me behind forever. I will never give another dime financially or waste my time cheering for the teams.

Still teetering on the fence at the moment. Im up to my eyeballs with the left/wokeness forcing their views down my throat through sports. I dont HAVE to have it, so am fast approaching F it territory. Never thought I would EVER get to that point, but sadly can see it on the horizon if something doesnt change.

-I was all for the flag change. Can see both sides of the argument (if you are a reasonable person, that is what you do). Flag didnt bother me personally, but I could see how it could others. Time to move on.

-this whole notion that police are evil, I WILL NOT get behind that. I have friends in law enforcement whose lives are now in more danger due to the irresponsible rhetoric. Boycotting practice, for better or worse, is lumped into that same basket. I wont get behind them on that. That boycott was very thin ice for me.

-If any notion that the US is founded on racism, cops are racist, or any other far left bile seeps in to my experience at an MSU event, I will be done forever. I have kids that are obsessed with MSU and want to go every chance they get. I hate to disappoint them, but will if a line is crossed.

-keep the bullsh$t out of sports.
 

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So let me get this straight. Some of you are blasting Cohen for doing his job and trying to make sure MSU athletics enjoys long term success?
 

GhostOfJackie

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They definitely don't need to be finding ways to turn people off at a time like this. I would say that a majority of our fan base would be extremely upset if this season ends up being a social justice **** show. I'm still on board but don't give me one ******* reason to reconsider.

I know you read John, don't let this turn into a **** show.
 

DirtyDog

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When MSU and MSU Athletics entered the political arena they left me behind forever. I will never give another dime financially or waste my time cheering for the teams.

Honestly curious as to why you continue to follow a sports message board dedicated to the teams that you no longer want to support? I understand your disappointment with the social climate of today, but your statement leaves little room for misinterpretation.
 

Ibdancin

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So let me get this straight. Some of you are blasting Cohen for doing his job and trying to make sure MSU athletics enjoys long term success?

It's his job to promote falsehoods? To allow that to be promoted in our sports? You see it everywhere. Even Bama alumni are saying they are done due to this "movement".

Like it or not, people do not want politics in sports. The really don't want it when they are marching for a person like Blake.
 

ezsoil

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That 50 lifetime bonus is equal to a $6250 donation, correct? 50 / .008

Yeah, if points mean anything to you - that's a huge bonus. And that doesn't include the 3X bonus. I'd planned to keep a couple of tickets but will reconsider that now.

It is kind of strange they appear to be discouraging people to attend. Must have been more people keeping tickets than we thought.

Ive worked hard to increase my ranking the last few years and to penalize me significantly for actually opting IN really causes me to rethink my giving..I'll continue to buy tickets and pay my seat donations for every sport and see how far I fall in the rankings. If it's significant, I'll just quit paying my annual pledge...Because it appears they are saying not going to football games this year is more important than those of us who have been paying the annual pledge for years...and if that's the case, I'll let them ride with those horses.

if they want money, they should give everyone the chance to give money and get the permanent points ...I'd gladly pay 5K for 50 permanent points...but time will tell.
 

Dawgtruc

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Boycotting practice, for better or worse, is lumped into that same basket. I wont get behind them on that. That boycott was very thin ice for me.

Only certain media outlets called it a "boycott", because that word gets clicks.

MSU football did not "lose" a practice, they essentially postponed a Thursday practice until Friday. Friday was a scheduled day off initially.
 

Russ Wheeler

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Disagree. We just taught our students to not look at the facts and no matter what the facts are, go on your feelings.

Horrible for our university to do that.
Your quarrel is with all of public higher education, in that case. NOT MSU. If you want to die on this hill, I want to see abandon all of college football (and other sports).
 

Russ Wheeler

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I mostly agree with you, but I’ll also say that multiple MSU AD’s have made it abundantly clear to me during the last 15 years that we have a business relationship. If I want seats, they need money. If I want to keep my seats the following year, they need more money. If I were to say... make a pledge based on existing tax law and then that happened to drastically change, they expect the money I pledged.

I say all that to say... if I’m going to expect MSU to compete in the SEC and have nice things, I absolutely should and will help. Aside from that, though, I feel absolutely no moral obligation to them.
That's every AD. And it's still not nearly as bad as pro sports, even if you want to be negative and call college sports a business.

And I disagree about the moral obligation, we all do have that obligation. MSU is more than entertainment. I don't know why we continue to deny this. And now is when we could really take a big step forward, while Karens and Jimmys all over the south are abandoning their own teams.
 

Mafiadawg

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Cohen helped make this bed now he has to sleep in it. I am not saying the rona is his fault but by allowing pandering to blatant falsehoods to happen all over his department, he pissed off a lot of his fan base. Sure, I am glad he is trying to raise money, I just do not think it will work.

All of it is very disappointing. There is a lot of wokeness in the Bryan building. They need to remove their head from the sand. I have had to unfollow almost everyone affiliated with MSU athletics due to their political posts. They just do not get it.
 

Dawgzilla

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And I disagree about the moral obligation, we all do have that obligation. MSU is more than entertainment. I don't know why we continue to deny this. And now is when we could really take a big step forward, while Karens and Jimmys all over the south are abandoning their own teams.

The only moral obligation I recognize is donating to the University, which I do annually. As much as I love college sports, I have never given to the BC because I just don't agree with the college sports business model. I openly enjoy the benefits of other people's donations, though, so please do not follow my example. Continue to spend and donate your money however you see fit

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole of supporting your school, I suppose our athletic department is our biggest PR vehicle, and improved athletic performance leads to more exposure, which leads to more licensing royalties to the University, higher enrollment, and more involvement by alumni. In that way, BC donations do financially support the University ...but I would still rather give my money directly.
 

notoriousD_O_G

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Cohen helped make this bed now he has to sleep in it. I am not saying the rona is his fault but by allowing pandering to blatant falsehoods to happen all over his department, he pissed off a lot of his fan base. Sure, I am glad he is trying to raise money, I just do not think it will work.

All of it is very disappointing. There is a lot of wokeness in the Bryan building. They need to remove their head from the sand. I have had to unfollow almost everyone affiliated with MSU athletics due to their political posts. They just do not get it.

Its damned if you do damned if you don't. Allow them to protest and you get some pissed off fans and boosters. Don't allow them to protest and you get transfers, tons of bad press, and get killed in recruiting. Remember how much bad press we got over that stupid tweet? 2 players got an immediate transfer waiver because of it. Now imagine the fallout if we say that they cannot have their march.
 

patdog

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It's a lot more damned if you don't. Not allowing the protests would be a nuclear bomb to our athletic programs.
 

Mafiadawg

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Are you saying every single football team protested during a scheduled practice? I really do not know the answer. It is an honest question.
 

blacklistedbully

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I never understand why a person or enterprise who depends on financial support from others would choose to alienate half of their support base.

And there are others that I missed on both sides. I have opted in up until this point, but these are the things I consider going forward. It used to be an easy decision, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that it's become a tougher one more recently.
This is a huge key...not just for our university. To me, this proves the "woke" people are far more interested in advancing their political agenda than they are in bringing us all together, or even in caring about us as fellow Bulldogs more than they do about "virtue-signaling".

As I read this thread, including comments about it being the kids, not the school, and them seeming to just jump on the "woke train" without considering all the facts, etc., I got to thinking how we might, as a university, try to deal with this in a way that offers appropriate support for the students, yet also attempts to ease frustrations from those of us who are sick of this ****.

What about our university hosting an event where we bring in people who can peacefully talk about the issues, the facts, the misinformation, steps already taken, etc., etc., encourage any who wish to protest to come to this event with a list of reasons why they feel protest is warranted, and have one-on-one discussions with a panel of experts who can discuss this list, either supporting or countering each given reason to see if that student still feels justified in protesting, etc.?

Assuming each student went through this process with an open mind, I'd ask each of them to then create a followup summary of what they feel is appropriate action moving forward, supported by reasons. For those who still want to protest, I'd arrange a meeting to discuss the way to go about this when their platform is as a representative of MSU athletics. There would need to be agreement on what actions are allowed when they are on "university time", for instance, no using MSU as a platform, but their personal time is their personal time. No skipping practice or games, etc. if you want to keep your scholarship and/or spot on the team.

They would need to have a full understanding that there are viable differences of opinion, and their actions have consequences. When those consequences affect our university, they don't get to take those actions without personal consequence if those actions were not authorized. Again, this is on "our time", not on "their time".

Bottom line, I would show support for our athletes by providing the aforementioned resources inspiring well-thought-out, peaceful, open-minded discourse, perhaps even requiring them to comment on what they had learned from each resource, and how & why each resource did or did not influence them. And after that was done, I'd make it a requirement that any MSU athlete who wants to make a public statement include in their remarks a rejection of violence entirely. I'd offer assistance to them if they wanted it in helping to craft a message that reflects what they wish to communicate, yet in a way that does so in a positive, unifying way.

If they don't want that, they can do it the way they prefer, only not as a student-athlete at MSU. They can remain a student, but participation as a student-athlete carries with it an added responsibility & duty to our school and all our fans. I'd encourage & provide continued counseling to help them make truly informed decisions on developments, etc.

Well, there are a few immediate thoughts before I've had a chance to think it through more thoroughly. If these kids want to make public statements, I really want them to have given serious, honest consideration to all available facts and to really consider all viewpoints before deciding to go public, and I'd want their actions to spring forth from a desire to unite and work together peaceably toward solutions. Any unwilling to do that can do what they want in a free country...but not as public representatives of our university.
 
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MittRomney

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Well said.

This is a huge key...not just for our university. To me, this proves the "woke" people are far more interested in advancing their political agenda than they are in bringing us all together, or even in caring about us as fellow Bulldogs more than they do about "virtue-signaling".

As I read this thread, including comments about it being the kids, not the school, and them seeming to just jump on the "woke train" without considering all the facts, etc., I got to thinking how we might, as a university, try to deal with this in a way that offers appropriate support for the students, yet also attempts to ease frustrations from those of us who are sick of this ****.

What about our university hosting an event where we bring in people who can peacefully talk about the issues, the facts, the misinformation, steps already taken, etc., etc., encourage any who wish to protest to come to this event with a list of reasons why they feel protest is warranted, and have one-on-one discussions with a panel of experts who can discuss this list, either supporting or countering each given reason to see if that student still feels justified in protesting, etc.?

Assuming each student went through this process with an open mind, I'd ask each of them to then create a followup summary of what they feel is appropriate action moving forward, supported by reasons. For those who still want to protest, I'd arrange a meeting to discuss the way to go about this when their platform is as a representative of MSU athletics. There would need to be agreement on what actions are allowed when they are on "university time", for instance, no using MSU as a platform, but their personal time is their personal time. No skipping practice or games, etc. if you want to keep your scholarship and/or spot on the team.

They would need to have a full understanding that there are viable differences of opinion, and their actions have consequences. When those consequences affect our university, they don't get to take those actions without personal consequence if those actions were not authorized. Again, this is on "our time", not on "their time".

Bottom line, I would show support for our athletes by providing the aforementioned resources inspiring well-thought-out, peaceful, open-minded discourse, perhaps even requiring them to comment on what they had learned from each resource, and how & why each resource did or did not influence them. And after that was done, I'd make it a requirement that any MSU athlete who wants to make a public statement include in their remarks a rejection of violence entirely. I'd offer assistance to them if they wanted it in helping to craft a message that reflects what they wish to communicate, yet in a way that does so in a positive, unifying way.

If they don't want that, they can do it the way they prefer, only not as a student-athlete at MSU. They can remain a student, but participation as a student-athlete carries with it an added responsibility & duty to our school and all our fans. I'd encourage & provide continued counseling to help them make truly informed decisions on developments, etc.

Well, there are a few immediate thoughts before I've had a chance to think it through more thoroughly. If these kids want to make public statements, I really want them to have given serious, honest consideration to all available facts and to really consider all viewpoints before deciding to go public, and I'd want their actions to spring forth from a desire to unite and work together peaceably toward solutions. Any unwilling to do that can do what they want in a free country...but not as public representatives of our university.

By protesting/making a political point while in an MSU uniform (or on MSU time), you are forcing a de facto endorsement by MSU. IF your point is popular (or at least conveyed in a respectful manner) there probably will not be much backlash. If it is a divisive topic, do it on your own time/dime. That way MSU doesnt have to run around putting out fires from other Dawgs that disagree.

This goes for NFL/NBA protests as well. You represent the Cowboys/49ers/Patriots when you have that uniform on. Want to talk about world hunger or hurricane relief? Probably wont hear a peep. Start using the organization for divisive topics that more than half disagree with you, youre fired.

I would get fired pretty fast if I did that.

Do the divisive stuff on your own time. Pretty straight forward really.
 

thatsbaseball

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Good post but I would use the words "popular and legitimate" instead of just "popular". Regarding the current situation their "point" is neither.
 

DAWG61

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I don't think the right wants to start the "but you supported a rapist" angle.
 

blacklistedbully

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I don't think the right wants to start the "but you supported a rapist" angle.
You are a cancer. Your lack of self-awareness and/or the level of your hypocrisy is stunning.

Yes, I am again falling short of my goal to stop using personal insults, and my long-standing one of at least trying to not be the first to go there, but you are a special case. Your unhinged, extremist, hate-filled posts are your default, not just occasional venting or legit interest in provoking thought or debate.

I've been mostly biting my tongue, laughing off the absurdity of your comments and just moving on, but I guess I feel a need to vent this time myself. Most opinionated, intense posters on here (including me) have made "enemies" on here and/or invited ridicule from time-to-time. You, however stand out to me as quite possibly the most miserable, hateful, intolerant jackass of us all, with 90+% of your posts just plain nasty.

I suspect you may have serious anger-issues, & if so, I truly do hope you seek help.
 

JacksonDevilDog

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Mr. Cohen,

If our players come out and kneel, have NCAA approved messages on their jerseys, and we have continuous social justice videos on the Jumbotron, the letter you write next year will read 50 million loss in revenue.

Sincerely,

JacksonDevilDog
 

Ibdancin

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Its damned if you do damned if you don't. Allow them to protest and you get some pissed off fans and boosters. Don't allow them to protest and you get transfers, tons of bad press, and get killed in recruiting. Remember how much bad press we got over that stupid tweet? 2 players got an immediate transfer waiver because of it. Now imagine the fallout if we say that they cannot have their march.


And all we did was to empower that mind set. All the AD had to do was put his big boy pants on, call everybody in the same room and lay out all of the facts if needs be. Instead, he over saw and participated in the slandering of an innocent man. I have always believed that conversations are great and you never agree to lies because there is no good that comes out of it. Tell me what good came out of the Leach meme tweet being pushed as racist?

But had he called everybody in the same room and stated facts and truth, everybody would have grown from that situation and those that refused to grow, they would have not grown under any other circumstances.


I believe everybody was on the same page with Floyd. Now because of lies and falsehoods, it's having the opposite effect. There is nothing wrong with being truthful with kids and teens. It's ok to say no. Let them ask why not. Then you can explain to them that the details are this: "guy broke in a home, sexually assaulted her. The court had him under a restraining order and he went back to her house with a knife. She called the cops, he fought the cops, they tazed him 2 times and it had no effect. He then went from something in his car and was told not to. So now let's talk.... is this the hill to stand on because I don't think it is. What message are we sending to his victim? Your fans know this. It's public information. "

You know LEAD!!! What's wrong with just honesty and why do people think these young men and women can't take honesty?
 

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I mostly agree with you, but I’ll also say that multiple MSU AD’s have made it abundantly clear to me during the last 15 years that we have a business relationship. If I want seats, they need money. If I want to keep my seats the following year, they need more money. If I were to say... make a pledge based on existing tax law and then that happened to drastically change, they expect the money I pledged.

I say all that to say... if I’m going to expect MSU to compete in the SEC and have nice things, I absolutely should and will help. Aside from that, though, I feel absolutely no moral obligation to them.

This is very well put. The athletic department has made it abundantly clear in its policies over the years that it's not personal, just business. Whenever I get frustrated over something they do, I remind myself of this fact.

We're free to love Mississippi State athletics, but expecting Mississippi State athletics to love us back is a fool's errand.
 

BriantheDawg

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It was definitely a line. Was for me. Got my ticket and donation refunded next day....and I cannot remember the last time I haven’t had season tickets. I’m not quitting MState sports forever but I couldn’t give 2 ***** about this year’s football team and not really sure I’ll pay much attention these upcoming Saturday afternoons. Moving forward, I just don’t know. My biggest passion has almost become an afterthought. Never would have dreamt that in a million years.
 

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That 50 lifetime bonus is equal to a $6250 donation, correct? 50 / .008

Yeah, if points mean anything to you - that's a huge bonus. And that doesn't include the 3X bonus. I'd planned to keep a couple of tickets but will reconsider that now.

It is kind of strange they appear to be discouraging people to attend. Must have been more people keeping tickets than we thought.

Or there are many long time donors (20 plus years) in that $800 to $1000 per year that were going to get shafted on seating that they are trying to get them closer to their normal seating.
 

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Mr Cohen, it appears to me you need to take drastic cost cutting in your athletic department and present your plan before asking for more. A majority of the private sector has taken in the arse!!!!

I always thought John was supposed to a be tightwad penny pincher? If that was the case I figured he would have already started reducing coaches and staff salaries across the board with know deficiencies coming.
 

DAWG61

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It was definitely a line. Was for me. Got my ticket and donation refunded next day....and I cannot remember the last time I haven’t had season tickets. I’m not quitting MState sports forever but I couldn’t give 2 ***** about this year’s football team and not really sure I’ll pay much attention these upcoming Saturday afternoons. Moving forward, I just don’t know. My biggest passion has almost become an afterthought. Never would have dreamt that in a million years.

 
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Mr Cohen, it appears to me you need to take drastic cost cutting in your athletic department and present your plan before asking for more. A majority of the private sector has taken in the arse!!!!

Take it from someone whose seen what the athletic department spends their money on...they have cut some serious cost the past few months
 

DAWG61

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Not even 24 hrs later and look what is trending in America on twitter today.
 
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Exactly. MSU beat writers reported that the players boycotted practice over Jacob Blake being shot by police.

Jacob Blake:

- Raped a girl multiple times.
- Court ordered him to stay away from her because he was also violent.
- Raping her was not enough. He broke the restraining order and returned to his victim to terrorize her with a knife.
- That's when his victim called 911.
- He fought the cops.... who already knew he had a knife.
- They were not able to stop him.
- They tazed him ... not 1 time... but 2 times. And it still did not work. No effect.
- Then he reached into the car and the whole time the police are screaming don't do it. don't do it.


This is not the same. At all.

100 percent sure they didn’t just protest for Jacob Blake, it was for every combined unjustified shooting that happened that shouldn’t have. Sounds like most of y’all have latched on to the idea that oh he’s a bad guy he deserves to die
 
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Mr. Cohen,

If our players come out and kneel, have NCAA approved messages on their jerseys, and we have continuous social justice videos on the Jumbotron, the letter you write next year will read 50 million loss in revenue.

Sincerely,

JacksonDevilDog

They aren’t on the field for the anthem so it sounds like you’re just looking for a reason to get your panties in a wad
 
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