It doesn't matter where they rank us at the beginning of the season, just as long as he ranks us #1 at the end of the season.
Goodman has cats #23
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Obviously you have begun to lay off the kool aid before believing that this Cal is the second coming. If so then good choice.
Why not?
PG very solid and great shooting freshman plus an established senior transfer.
SG Clark Top 5 and Allen
SF Boston Top 5 and an experienced transfer
PF Brooks and Ware
PF/Center Jackson
A lot of youth but some experience and a boat load of talent and odds are we will get at least 1 more solid big man.
But not because our recruits are bad but because we don't have a team organized to compete. We do, however, have fans who don't know who to blame.
Where does the buck stop. The Privates or the General?
Seems fair to me. I'd rather be ranked lower to start the season so it doesn't seem quite as disappointing later when we don't play to that level.
No, this 2020 class is exceptionally strong and deep. We just so happen to have two of the top 5 players from said class. I’m not sure why all the doom and gloom.
I get it, we don’t have much experience. We also don’t have a bruising, dominant big man - yet. But - from a talent perspective - I believe we’re right up there with any other team in the country. We have a deep and talented class.
Just watch how much the narrative shifts if we land a Banchero, Kuminga, etc. Then, the expectations will immediately go through the roof, whether it’s accurate or not/warranted or not. Either way, we’ll be fine and right there come March.
Cal better land Kuminga and Banchero you know he’s going HARD after them it’s already been said he really wants Kuminga for next year
Exactly. I truly think Ware is the sleeper in this class, too. He literally outplayed the number 1 player in the country just a few months ago. For whatever reason, this isn’t getting much attention. I think Ware is a very skilled big. I also think he’s willing to bang in the post and do the dirty work. I still think we need to add one more, and we will. It’s still very early.
I think I could find posts like this for almost every year at this time of year. Then when guys don't live up to the outrageous expectation of fans, those same fans turn on the players.
I rate goodman #1 on the list of worthless journalists.
I just don’t see the Boston/Clarke duo underwhelming here. Their skill sets are just elite. I do see them being behind on defense in the beginning. Most freshmen prove to be behind on that side of the ball.
Other than defense, they check every box. There’s really no question marks for those two. They both possess good length, very high basketball IQs, good measurables, etc. I haven’t been this excited for a duo at UK in a long, long time. I think they’re up for the task.
Other than defense, they check every box. There’s really no question marks for those two. They both possess good length, very high basketball IQs, good measurables, etc. I haven’t been this excited for a duo at UK in a long, long time. I think they’re up for the task.
Sort of what I was thinking except I was thinking hamster he is to ugly to be a chipmunk
I don't turn on players. I understand these are kids. I'm not going to lose my mind if an 18 year old isn't as good at basketball as I thought he might be.
Wish I knew. Lots of people wrong on this one. No excuses just bad info. It happens. More people were fooled with Haarms than I’ve seen in a while, including myself.
Having a “5 star” means absolutely nothing as we’ve seen. EJ and Whitney for example were both 5 starts and sucked. Richards was a 5 star and was not good his first couple of years.
He’s probably “massively underrated” based off his mediocre/ less than stellar freshman season. Which is fine, he’s a freshman but saying silly caneintally type ish like “Brooks is going to DOMINATE the 3” is no less ridiculous than saying Brooks could definitely struggle some this year.
Whitney was a lottery pick “no matter what” and coming into their freshman year both EJ and Richards were lottery picks “no matter what”.
As we’ve seen numerous times, freshman sometimes take awhile to gel. Putting these ridiculous and high expectations on them only hurts. You’ve already penciled Clarke and Boston in as sure fire top 10 picks who will play at an elite level all year long.
That’s a little low, IMHO.
As it stands right now with our current (hopefully unfinished) roster, I would put us just inside the top 15.
We should have great wings, but question marks at PG and C.
If Toppin is eligible, that helps a little. Still, he is a wing, so it just adds to our strength and doesn’t improve our weaknesses.
With Toppin, we at least have 10 scholarship players.
So, looking at the roster:
PG Mintz/Askew
SG Clarke/Allen
SF Boston/Fletcher
PF Brooks/Toppin
C Jackson/Ware
Clarke, Boston, and Brooks should be as good as it gets at the 2-4.
Hopefully Mintz steps in and supplies experience at PG and gives Askew a chance to get acclimated to the college game at the 1.
Jackson and Ware at the 5 will be an adequate duo, but both need to hit the weights hard this offseason.
Cal may want to consider a small ball lineup and play Mintz, Clarke, Boston, Toppin, and Brooks. Brooks is tough enough to play inside against bigger guys. Maybe Brooks can channel Erik Daniels. They are pretty much the same size and both are high energy guys.
Still, it’s way too early. We will most likely add a big man. Hopefully, a guy that can make a real impact.
As it stands right now with our current (hopefully unfinished) roster, I would put us just inside the top 15.
We should have great wings, but question marks at PG and C.
If Toppin is eligible, that helps a little. Still, he is a wing, so it just adds to our strength and doesn’t improve our weaknesses.
With Toppin, we at least have 10 scholarship players.
So, looking at the roster:
PG Mintz/Askew
SG Clarke/Allen
SF Boston/Fletcher
PF Brooks/Toppin
C Jackson/Ware
Clarke, Boston, and Brooks should be as good as it gets at the 2-4.
Hopefully Mintz steps in and supplies experience at PG and gives Askew a chance to get acclimated to the college game at the 1.
Jackson and Ware at the 5 will be an adequate duo, but both need to hit the weights hard this offseason.
Cal may want to consider a small ball lineup and play Mintz, Clarke, Boston, Toppin, and Brooks. Brooks is tough enough to play inside against bigger guys. Maybe Brooks can channel Erik Daniels. They are pretty much the same size and both are high energy guys.
Still, it’s way too early. We will most likely add a big man. Hopefully, a guy that can make a real impact.
“Keldon Johnson made the right move going pro, he would be coming off the bench behind Whitney if he came back.”
“EJ is going to have a PJ Washington transformation going into his sophomore year.”
“Hagans will definitely improve his shooting and with better conditioning won’t hit the wall in conference play like he did his freshman year,”
Luckily for us, Nick showed out and IQ exploded. Those 2 guys got it done. Maxey was about as expected, probably didn’t shoot as well as we’d hoped though.
Bottom line, with so many question marks none of us really know what to expect. Of all the brand new teams we’ve had, this is the “brand newest” of them all. They’ve got a lot to prove. 23rd isn’t unfair just based on the fact that we have no clue what to expect. People calling for Goodman to be fired ... haha
“EJ is going to have a PJ Washington transformation going into his sophomore year.”
“Hagans will definitely improve his shooting and with better conditioning won’t hit the wall in conference play like he did his freshman year,”
Luckily for us, Nick showed out and IQ exploded. Those 2 guys got it done. Maxey was about as expected, probably didn’t shoot as well as we’d hoped though.
Bottom line, with so many question marks none of us really know what to expect. Of all the brand new teams we’ve had, this is the “brand newest” of them all. They’ve got a lot to prove. 23rd isn’t unfair just based on the fact that we have no clue what to expect. People calling for Goodman to be fired ... haha
For one, maybe I’m wrong but I do not see many elite players in this class. Maybe we got one in Clarke. Secondly you can have the number one class out of having two or three elite players or five or six good players, and we got the second. Thirdly we have almost nothing coming back, Brooks and a player who’s not played in almost 2 years come Oct. I do think the guard transfer will help. Lastly, I think expectations are often set to high for incoming freshmen, more often than not they fail to match expectations of fans.
also it is very possible there are more returning players this year than in years past, meaning more better teams.
fair enough, I apologize if it appeared that I singled you out. It was more of a general comment.
If you are referring to me saying Whitney was a lottery pick please look up what I said about him after all star games, it was anything but I assure you lol! Never said that about Nick or EJ either, but I get your point that some people have. To me Clarke and Boston are in a different category when you legitimately have a chance to go number 1 versus maybe they will be lotto picks!
I don't care where UK is ranked at the start of the season. I used to really care, but it truly doesn't matter.
I certainly don't care at all what marbles thinks.
I certainly don't care at all what marbles thinks.
Dude is a clown. B.J Boston and Terrance Clarke are crazy good. Kentucky will be fine next year.
If you know you're being trolled, and still respond, whose fault is that?
Also, it's possible to be biased and be right. Goodman hates Cal, there's no doubting that. Goodman knows UK fans on Twitter will swallow every piece of bait thrown their way, and apparently he likes to fish.
But what he says here is not that far fetched. This team needs FAR more things to go perfect in order for it to be good than many people are willing to admit.
I wasn’t referring to you saying that, just showing how putting high and ill informed expectations can end up biting ya.
I disagree. This team will probably be his best team since fox, monk and bam. We will ne better then the team that lost to IU in round 2. Better then the team that lost to K state in the sweet 16
I can’t imagine this team being better than 2018-2019 with PJ as a sophomore and the rest of that team. Just not seeing it.
I'd put us around 12-15 right now. Boston and Clarke are both can't miss imo barring injuries
Good Lord. This is dumb. For those of you saying "sounds about right".....I can only assume you're comparing our roster to the roster you hoped we'd have, or maybe your ideal top 5 team. All irrelevant. Look at the 9 guys we have, and compare them to his other teams ahead of us. No way we're 23. Actually, he has us 24 now - now Louisville is at 23. Louisville, the team that loses all 5 starters, and doesn't routinely replace them with a top ranked class, like we do and did this year.
This is easy. He doesn't like Calipari, and he knows, as they all know, BBN is an easy mark. Best way to instantly generate hits? Say something bad about UK.
Also, all of you saying 23 is right....I presume then if we lose in the first weekend next March you'd all say, well, that's about where we should have finished? No one going to blast Cal for underachieving? Can't have it both ways......
This is easy. He doesn't like Calipari, and he knows, as they all know, BBN is an easy mark. Best way to instantly generate hits? Say something bad about UK.
Also, all of you saying 23 is right....I presume then if we lose in the first weekend next March you'd all say, well, that's about where we should have finished? No one going to blast Cal for underachieving? Can't have it both ways......
would like to start season unranked then move up as the season goes along don't like to start season in the top 5 team does not have any room to move up in the ranking