Well apparently on this board It’s no one that we have played other than Duke and Tennessee and North Carolina. Apparently on this board every other team that we have played is a “high school” or “cupcake” team.
Gonzaga schedule
- Thread starter Sparkaces
- Start date
Not trying to argue, but I have looked at their schedule closely and honestly tried to come up with the good teams they played. They are 3-2 in Quad 1 games. One was against Dook and the other 2 were at Creighton who is 14-13 and at SF. Dook, TN, and UNC are of course good teams. Saying Washington is a good team after they got beat last night by Cal who is 6-22 might be a stretch. UW is 1-4 vs Quad 1. Not too good, but I'm guessing you're counting them as good so that would be 4, but I honestly can't find where you get another 2-3 team that you consider good. The 2 best teams in the Zags conference SF and St Marys are 1-9 vs. Quad 1 so I really don't think they are good teams.
SF has lost to teams like San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, and Santa Clara and Has an SOS of 137. St. Marys lost 4 in a row to teams like UC Irvine and Harvard. They have also lost to teams like WKU, Pepperdine, and BYU. It's really hard to make a case for those 2 teams being anywhere close to anyone's definition of good. So not sure who you had, but man I do not see it even with trying very hard.
Looking at opponents of opponents is always a slippery slope.
St. Mary’s is Kenpom 34 and San Francisco is 52. Those would be borderline NCAA teams in other conferences. Whether you want to call those good, or fair, or ok is all semantics.
If they are bad, then 90% of the country is bad. And maybe you think that. You’re entitled to your opinion.
I think it’s because when people see names like St Mary’s or San Francisco they don’t see them as good teams
Which is completely unfair but that’s what people do
Which is completely unfair but that’s what people do
I mean I get that, but that isn't what I'm doing. I know St Marys has had good teams in the past. However how good are they this year with a 1-4 Quad 1 record and losses to NET 126, 89, 124, 60, 81, and 12-16 Pepperdine at 169? They have 20 wins and 17 came from the 3rd and 4th Quads with 3 losses in Quad 3. I just look at their resume and it's hard to say they are a very good team this year. Yet they are the team that most media seem to think to have the best chance to beat the Zags.
Keep throwing out facts...opinions are what keep the Zags in the hunt every year until the tournament (when they inevitably get bounced)
They are soooo good! They are steam rolling everyone! And they had a huge win earlier in the year, but no one should think that they are filled with experienced players that do not have the early season set backs that the teams like UK, Duke, etc. have since they recruit elite Freshman classes and do not rely heavily on upper classmen.
They schedule it that way because if they get that W, they can ride it all the way through conference to a 1-3 seed and have a Cinderella chance every year. When will people learn...
A
anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y
Guest
Holy cow! An actual fact in this thread, I’m flabbergasted. Yes, you are correct it is a fact that we have never won the championship. It is also a fact that we played for it two years ago. It is also a fact that we are the only team in the entire country to have made the sweet 16 for the last four straight years. Is also a fact that we have played at or above our seed for eight of the last nine years. It is also a fact that we have made the tournament for 20 straight years. It is also a fact that we have made the final AP top 25 every year for 10 years straight. It is also a fact that we are the number one team in the country currently. It is also a fact that we will be a number one seed come March Madness. It is also a fact that we have five current players on our roster that are projected to be drafted into the NBA. It is also a fact that we have the number one incoming class next year on Rivals and the number four on 247. Those are all facts. Despite what your friend from Cincinnati said, it is not a fact that we can just pick whatever conference we want to be in.I googled Gonzaga’s NCAA Titles Trophy Case. The results are as follows:
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2019/all-teams/basketball
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings/
I’m perfectly calm. In fact I’m lying in bed just relaxing before going to sleep. I actually thought my post was kind of cool. But of course I’m biased.
Another fact is you have one of the softest schedules every year for a Top 10 caliber team. Honest question here. What do you think your record would be if you played in the SEC or the ACC going in with the 2 losses you had before conference play?
I love when people ask this question because I know that they have not thought it through all the way. That moron ex jock Greg McElroy on ESPNU radio says that all the time without thinking about it. OK so follow me; if we played a full ACC or SEC schedule that would mean that we would actually be in the ACC or SEC which would mean that we would have ACC or SEC revenue, facilities and recruits. C’mon man, you’ve gotta think these things through.
I think you’re missing the point of the hypothetical. You have a very good team this year. How would this team have done if they had played Kentucky’s schedule, or Duke’s?
What would your program look like if it played in the ACC year in and year out is a different conversation.
I also don’t think it has the answer that you think it has. Being infused with money and facilities wouldn’t make you a superpower. If you changed your recruiting, you wouid be going head to head with Kentucky and Duke, and then fighting the one and done cycle. Or you could go the Virginia route, which wouldn’t make you any better than you have been.
I don’t think there’s a magical lever you can pull to vault Gonzaga above the rest of the country, even in a land of make believe.
You’re missing the point though; “this” team wouldn’t be in the ACC. If we had gone to the national championship two years ago this team would have higher ranked recruits being in the ACC. It’s just such a dumb hypothetical it’s completely illogical and irrational.
A
anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y
Guest
But the way you are at it isn't the best way to determine whether or not St. Marys is a good team or San Francisco is a good team.
St. Marys is 34th in Kenpom, San Francisco is 52nd.
St. Marys is 39th in NET. San Francisco is 60th.
Overall in the composite rankings St Marys 45th. San Francisco 56th.
The consensus is these are good teams, and thus we can't ignore them or dismiss them just because they aren't Alabama or Arkansas, two teams ranked similarly.
Clearly they are doing something right to be rated that high in the first place.
Mad? I was commending you on posting an actual fact. Good job! Why would I be mad? We’re number one in the country.
No, you’re missing the point. The question is really how this team would fair facing a tougher conference schedule. You’re the one going way out in left field with it.
Obviously you can’t handpick which conference you want to be in but you can defintely leave the WCC. For example Wichita state did this just a few years ago
I just look at the actual horrible teams that have beaten them and their combined 1-9 Quad 1 record. If that's good ok. I guess at some point if you watch a ton of BB you can use the eye test and common sense and I don't think too many people are going to view St. Marys as a good team this year with what they have done and their schedule. Sometimes you just have to look at who they played and have beaten and when it's a resume like theirs I don't even think it's that hard.
Oh my gosh! Wichita State had outgrown the Missouri Valley conference and the AAC invited them. They didn’t just “join”. What conference would be a major step up from our current one would you suggest invite us? Because believe me we will go in a heartbeat if there was one. C’mon man.
Yeah but I mean currently looking at St. Mary's they are 1-5 in Quad 1 games right.
But three of those games were on the road and three of those games were at neutral courts. 3 of the 5 losses were by 4 points each. How many of those games should they have won? But just because they aren't Gonzaga or LSU or Miss St again doesn't mean they aren't good.
I mean Texas Tech is only 5-5 in Quad 1 games, Virginia Tech is 3-4, Iowa State is 5-5. Nevada hasn't even played a Quad 1 game. But no one is saying those are bad teams.
That plus the fact I don't think it's as easy to just switch conferences.......I mean you have to have a conference willing to take the team lol
I mean here is their losses. You tell me if that is the markings of a good team.
I know St Marys has had good teams in the past. However how good are they this year with a 1-4 Quad 1 record and losses to NET 126, 89, 124, 60, 81, and 12-16 Pepperdine at 169? They have 20 wins and 17 came from the 3rd and 4th Quads with 3 losses in Quad 3. I just look at their resume and it's hard to say they are a very good team this year.
Well whose problem is it that no other conference wants you? You would think with all that sweet 16 money and having the number 1 recruiting class in march other conferences should be clamoring to add you. I mean shoot all they need to do is read your post from this thread and they will see that gonzaga is truly elite
Saint Mary's should be a 100 miles from the tournament without a win tonight vs Gonzaga. They have zippo on the resume how they are considered this close to being in by some amazes me. At least Furman won at Nova. I mean what the hell has Saint Mary's done ? They have 10 losses in a very not so good conference. They have zippo wins vs at large teams. Honestly what the hell...they are 100 miles from the tournament. Wins at New Mexico State, home to San Fran and at San Diego do not get you anywhere near the bubble. Explain to me how a 10 loss team with those 3 wins as their best 3 wins is anywhere near bubble ?
Without a football program, the issue is moot. So you're forever stuck in that girly league.
They already know we are elite, we are number one in the nation. A team can’t just “join” a conference.Just admit you were wrong and stop being so prideful.
Correct. There were some rumblings that the Big East was contemplating a Western division by adding us, BYU and St. Mary’s to join Creighton, Marquette, DePaul and Butler but as of now that has not come to fruition. We are stuck in the WCC so we will continue to beat them by an average of 28 points per game and play a tough out of conference schedule. That’s all we can do.
Ummm, we're down a man an on the road.
Already beat them earlier by 17 in case you didn't notice.
