I understand both sides. Gonzaga is clearly a good team and deserving of a top 5 ranking. Their overall resume is extremely lacking however. I would like to see them locked into the 4th 1-seed. They get a 1-seed (which they probably deserve, talent wise) but get the lowest 1-seed (which they deserve from their weak resume). Make them prove it by giving them a difficult 2, 3, and 4-seed.
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I disagree, we are competing against UVA and Duke. Gonzaga has the #1 seed in the west, nothing is going to change that. As for their conference, it's sad that the other schools are complacent in letting Gonzaga dominate year after year. When the SEC started having the same one or two teams always on top they went after quality coaches, made a hell of a difference in our conference.
Which to me would suggest the committee is seeding the Zags properly.
Well the issue with that is........they won't get difficult 2,3 and 4 in all liklihood. If anything, the West will be the weakest of the regions as it normally is.
Kentucky has advanced far in the tournament with brutal paths beating multiple really good teams, and we’ve lost early when we though we had an easy path. These games still have to be played and Gonzaga will have to beat whoever is put in front of them regardless. I can’t figure out why we as Kentucky fans are so damn worried about Gonzaga
I dont think it's necessarily a worry.
It's just UK and the Zags are fighting for the same thing.........1 seeds. So fans want to mention the weak resume and try to discredit Zaga so that it makes a stronger case for UK.
I get it.
It's just UK and the Zags are fighting for the same thing.........1 seeds. So fans want to mention the weak resume and try to discredit Zaga so that it makes a stronger case for UK.
I get it.
Couple things, I don’t think we are fighting for the same thing as they are going to be the 1 seed out west, period. Secondly we have to go out there and beat whoever is in front of us regardless, and unless that team is Gonzaga they have no affect on that one way or the other.
I say the same thing all the time. Playing to your seed line means you're seeded correctly. You also can't ignore their roster. They have a talented team:
Hachimura - potential lottery pick this year in the NBA Draft
Clarke - potential lottery pick this year in the NBA Draft
Norvell - 4 star recruit, red shirt sophomore
Perkins - 4 start recruit, red shirt senior, started on the runner-up team in 2017
Kispert - 4 start recruit, sophomore
We are tho. Not necessarily the region wise but Gonzaga being on the 2 line obviously increases our odds for a 1 seed just like if Duke, UVA etc etc slipped up.
The second point I agree with.
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Well Duke has 3,losses and UK may have soon and both are considered as 1 seeds so what's your point?
One poster said they should be a 4 seed. I'm sure UK as a 1 would just love to have them as their four.
What does that have to do with anything, or is that just sarcasm.
They need to swing a deal to join the Pac 12 for basketball only, though the Pac 12 is pretty bad too.
These Midwest and east coast basketball only schools were able to band together for the new Big East, they don't have that luxury out there.
These Midwest and east coast basketball only schools were able to band together for the new Big East, they don't have that luxury out there.
They are the perfect Big East school....private catholic university, basketball school, no football. Too bad they are in Washington.
UK, UT, Michigan, UNC etc. are all in competition with Gonzaga for the 1 even if it is in the West. Gonzaga should not be assumed to automatically be the 1 in the West because they are the best team out West.
It would be a little more competition but why would you leave a conference you have been dominating for years? Obviously the selection committee is not really holding their conference against them. They did kinda beef up their OOC schedule but it so early in the season it's all but forgotten now.
If we won out and Gonzaga dropped a bunny by chance it would probably matter, probably won’t happen but no way they get the top seed with that schedule and losing to a cupcake.
No doubt about that, the only question is should they be a 1 based their resume.
It's on by tourney time they will have not played a decent team in 3 months since they lost back to back to TN and UNC. I said the same thing about TN and caught grief about it. Now TN has dropped games to us, LSU and should have to Ole Miss. The Zags have beaten one good team all year long and are about the least battle-tested team in the Top 25. It will catch up to them when they play a slid team having a good night early in the tourney that punches them in the mouth. HOU has a better resume and record than they do. They are living off the Dook win as it counted as 5 Top 10 wins. St. Marys that your making fun of I heard on ESPN will be one of their toughest tests in awhile LOL.
Maybe, but I'm doubting it will be as dramatic as its been some years. The way the 1's and 2's appear to be breaking down, odds are that Gonzaga is going to get either UNC or Michigan State as a 2. And if Houston stays on the 3 line, they will be a high 3, meaning they're likely to stay Midwest and push another Power 5 school out West.
The West has been weak when the selection committee has just gone down seed lines and pushed the lowest team on each line furthest away, but that's not going to be easy this year, because you have 3 ACC teams in contention for a 1 or 2, 2 SEC Teams, and 2 Big 10 teams. Keeping conferences apart is going to difficult right from the jump, so "weakest team goes West" is unlikely to be as much of a factor.
It depends what night it is.
On Gonzaga and Kentucky’s best nights, I would say they’re really close.
There is a marked difference between deciding 8 or 16 teams and leaving out #9 and 10 or 17 and 18 v crying about #69 and 70. We're trying to crown a champion are we not. You need to deserve that title shot.
The debate is around the 34th and 35th at-large spot, not the 69th and 70th. VCU in 2011 is the perfect example. Last at-large to get in and made the Final Four. Beat USC, Georgetown, Purdue, Florida State and Kansas to get to the Final Four. That's why the tournament is so great.
They played no one in 2017. It didn't seem to affect them so much.
Or all the years where the SEC was down.........certainly didn't seem to affect UK.
This stuff gets overblown.
Couple with the fact that after the first four lines are done they add up the places.........the worst region cannot be more than 5 spots worse than the best region which is why when they did that mock one early this month, they had to move KU out west.
Plus there's always the simple fact that reasonable minds can disagree on who is say 6th overall vs 8th overall. Teams that are on the same line should in theory all be around the same strength level and just because one committee thinks a team might be the last team on a seed line doesn't necessarily mean they are indeed the worst team on the line.
So yeah I agree, we won't know for sure what is considered to be weak until they come out
In those years we did still play a nonconference and I don't remember a nonconference for us that wasn't really good. The Zags did play 3 good teams in the nonconference and went 1-2. Plus I would take the down years of the SEC over the team the Zags are playing in their conference right now. Even in the bad years the SEC still had teams make the tourney. Plus you always had a few teams that were solid and that could push you especially on the road, do the Zags have that? There is a chance only the Zags come out of their conference. So I don't think it's a fair comparison.
Even if they’re a 1, they will face a fairly tough second game (tougher than they’ve seen in a while), and possibly a very competitive 3rd game (LSU level). Teams don’t often fluke their way to a title.
On the other hand, make them a 3, and what does that do to the 6 seed? Might as well have been an 8 if they were going to have to play Gonzaga that early.
Got to do whatever you can to make the tournament fair...for everybody.
On the other hand, make them a 3, and what does that do to the 6 seed? Might as well have been an 8 if they were going to have to play Gonzaga that early.
Got to do whatever you can to make the tournament fair...for everybody.
Yeah, and none of then deserved to be in that position based on their body of work.
Those caliber teams playing are what makes the bowl system great. You still see them play but don't have the risk of underserving teams in that position.
The Zags played UT, UNC and Duke out of conference tho as well. So they received some tests already.
If we don't want to compare the WCC to the SEC than all you have to do is look at Gonzaga the past i dunno 10 years or so.
Again the fact they played to their seed nearly every year so it doesn't seem like their weak conference affected them much.
I know I added that before your post They played 3 good teams and went 1-2. In the end, they have beaten 1 Top 25 team all year. The fact is when the tourney hits they will play some bad teams early rounds and by the time they hit the second or third round, it will have been over 3 months since a really good opponent. We can agree to disagree, but in the past years, they had a BYU or a St Marys that was much better and did push them in games. This year those teams haven't beaten anyone out of the Pac 12 which is horrible. I just think when they hit a real team that punches them in the mouth they will be in trouble. 3 months is an eternity to not play a team that can push you. Not only because you are good, but because they are all really bad.