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This will be a fun thread to monitor over the next 24 hours ... 
will need to see a lot more than just that blurb before i make any judgement. Knowing Dabo and our players, this will be a well thought out plan and message.
About time we went woke. Won't continue to pull the high-level recruits otherwise
They should be promoting Trevor Lawrence's movement, 'All Voices Matter'. BLM is an anti American Socialist/Fascist radical racist movement.
But I guess if I were a BLM white member, I could hold up a BLM sign and call others the N-word like that one guy did?
But I guess if I were a BLM white member, I could hold up a BLM sign and call others the N-word like that one guy did?
Received a email today from IPTAY saying that Race and Gender Identity will factor into the amount of Priority Points dispersed to IPTAY Members within each giving level starting in 2021....
I hear the deacs are changing name to Woke Forest this season.
I feel better about this in that they consulted with Dabo, DRad and Pres. Clements. I am all for equal treatment of all people and if they want to share a positive message that everyone is on board with then I have no problem. It is when it turns purely political or self centered that it becomes a greater distraction and will alienate people. So I am optimistic that they can do this but will wait and see how it goes.
I'm curious what "victims of racial injustice" will be featured in these videos. I'm also skeptical that this is about general "social justice" rather than being about advancing the argument that police are frequently brutalizing black people with impunity.
Well, I guess that means no one can watch Clemson football now. That sucks as I was looking forward to it. I will stand on my moral high ground and ignore the voices of those kids I call part of my ‘family’ while they suffer.
Social Justice a black guy throwing a Natty Winning TD pass to an undersized white boy.
I'll take the over on the number of fans who mute the games this year.
Hope we truly do our own thing as indicated. Not that it matters what my or anyone else's opinion is, but supporting equality and condemning racial injustice is needed as long as we leave out blm. BLM is the equivalent of the KKK, just on the other end of the scale. Anyone who supports that organization is not a good human being or is ignorant.
What is the delay on the radio broadcast versus ESPN? I tried to sync these one time before and it took forever. I cannot listen to this and watch Herbstreit cry every week.
I’m all for this. Let’s do something to honor David Dorn, or the little black girl who was shot and killed by a black lives rioter in Atlanta. Or to any of the black business owners who have suffered at the hands of the woke mob. Let’s make it happen.
I'm sure this will upset many white 40 year olds
Socialism and fascism are literally at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
With TL taking a national leadership perspective, this has to happen - I trust him and Dabo that it will be done well and totally expect it to get as much press as our game. Strap in, it is going to be a great ride this season.
Why do people always have to freak out?
SUPPORT THE PLAYERS AND COACHES. Letting the players have a voice about what they think is right and what comes from their own personal experience is ok.
SUPPORT THE PLAYERS AND COACHES. Letting the players have a voice about what they think is right and what comes from their own personal experience is ok.
Hope it's a video on not resisting arrest.
I could care less what any coach has to say about this subject. Talk to me about football.
Simply put- there is no simple here. Both of these things defy easy definition, but fascism is by far the more slippery to define.
Socialism is a spectrum of economic and social theories contending that matters of economic concern (means of production, etc) should be regulated or owned by society, in the public interest. There's a lot of disagreement among socialists about whether it should be owned or regulated by the public. Democratic socialism falls on the 'regulate' end of this spectrum- These folks are capitalists, and seek to use public power to regulate the excesses of capitalism.
Like socialism, fascism is also a spectrum of political/economic ideas that purport to organize society- but unlike socialism, fascism didn’t have anything like a set of founding documents or definitive source material until well after it achieved a sort of viral success in politics- which means that any documents purporting to be authoritative (such as this translation of Mussolini’s doctrine of fascism) only speak for one faction or aspect of what we consider to be fascism, per se.
Both Socialism and Fascism arose in the late-industrial-revolution period in Europe, a time and place in which the world order was fast-changing- Dynastic monarchies had fallen to republican governments in the space of a few generation’s time, there was a massive oversupply of productive capacity relative to the economy’s consumptive capacity, and this meant the regular guy would periodically find himself jobless, inflation would wipe out whatever savings he had… the days of traditional roles in life were strained, perhaps a distant memory. It was the Socialists who started pushing to regulate or overthrow the current order (in which new Barons of Industry were consolidating their fortunes and power), and in large part Fascism arose (with support from those new elites) as a bulwark to stop the Socialists.
Instead of emerging as coherent a set of philosophies (as socialism did via Marx and Engels), fascism emerged as a mass movement (of disparate groups who supported Italy’s intervention in WWI) and would mutate according to the political needs of those calling themselves fascists. Being an insurgent political movement, those included recruiting from very different political quarters, consolidating power, and then, extending influence elsewhere. Philosophically, fascism is the chameleon of politics; it will mutate and borrow aspects of anything from anywhere to suit itself.
During the period of its ascendancy in Italy in the early 1900s, it was purposefully vague and undefined- a quality that would allow it to appeal to different audiences that might otherwise find themselves un-unifiable. In this sense, it could proffer un-objectionable, meaningless vagaries- essentially, the “Make Italy Great Again” of its time.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. ... Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society's economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners.
Marxism is a political and economic way of organizing society, where the workers own the means of production. Socialism is a way of organizing a society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the proletariat. Marx proposed that this was the next necessary step in the progress of history.
Marx himself did not use the term socialism to refer to this development. Instead, Marx called it a communist society that has not yet reached its higher-stage. ... Monetary relations in the form of exchange-value, profit, interest and wage labor would not operate and apply to Marxist socialism.
Socialism is at its core an economic philosophy, whereas Communism is economic and political in its requirement that government be the central owner and decision maker in all matters. Communism rejects any religion and in a true Communist state religion is effectively abolished.
"As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer."
You people who are socials and fascists do get ruffled feathers when a comparison is made. I don't know which one you are, but neither is good for this country. You vote for this (either), you are destroying any hope that your children or grandchild will ever have.
Dabo and company know what they’re doing. Dabo is a players coach and they love and respect him for it.
You can declare that black lives matter without supporting the organization BLM.
Well damn!
Does this mean Clemson supports Marxism and socialist?
ALM-Blue Lives Matter (BLM), Black lives matter!
but I do not support BLM Organization!!!!
Does this mean Clemson supports Marxism and socialist?
ALM-Blue Lives Matter (BLM), Black lives matter!
but I do not support BLM Organization!!!!
Oh absolutely ..... if you go to BLM’s website and actually read their charter and goals ..... preserving “black lives” is a secondary objective.
And for further “WTF” material, Google Ashleigh Hunter Shackelford. She is one of the founders of BLM, one of their most outspoken speakers, and a columnist for the HuffPost.
I guess this is something they have to do because if they did not it would be used against them.
Anyone thinking there will be anything Saturday that expressly aligns Clemson's football team with BLM should back off the ledge.
I'll eat these words if I'm wrong, but everything I've read suggests that all sides of the racial justice debate are represented on this team and that the leaders of the team are going to make sure an even-handed message is expressed. Endorsing BLM would be the farthest thing from that.
I'll eat these words if I'm wrong, but everything I've read suggests that all sides of the racial justice debate are represented on this team and that the leaders of the team are going to make sure an even-handed message is expressed. Endorsing BLM would be the farthest thing from that.
Fascism is a takeoff from socialism. Hence the Nazi's being a National Socialist party. Instead of thinking left or right in a linear fashion I like to think of it as a circle. The top of the circle wants opportunity for everyone, freedom of labor and life to do what you want. Every individual matters and individual responsibility is rewarded. Capitalism done the right way would be at the top. Socialism and Fascism are close to each other at the bottom of the circle. Anarchy, violence and the end justify the means is a way of seizing power. A ruling class decides what professions are rewarded and what are not valued. Hard work is not rewarded in many instances because fairness, by their definition is everybody other than the ruling class, gets treated the same. Communism does not exist in the real world because human nature would never allow it to work. Socialism is less efficient because people are not working for their own betterment they are serving the government ruling class. Both socialism and fascism are hideous because they rob freedoms, individuality, sometimes religious choice, starve opportunity and decide who gets health care and who does not.
There is no question in my mind that what Clemson does in regards to their messaging will be done in a professional and well thought out manner. It's the way our football program operates ... Best Is The Standard!
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These types of moronic retorts are the reason why this issue will never get solved.