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4Afan

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Who is your IHSA football GOAT?

Speaking specifically to just what they did while in high school. I don't care how great of a college career they had or if they played on Sunday's, or if they never took another snap after graduating.

A few that come to mind...

James Robinson
Jordan Westerkamp
Tim Brasic
Jon Schweighardt
Samson Evans
Jack Hockaday
 
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McCaravan

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These are players that I was fortunate enough to see live on more then one occasion, I didn't put anyone down that I just read about in papers or on this site.

Darrion Dupree- MC
Dan Dierking- WWS
Mike Alstott- JCA
Ricky Smallings- BR
Jerry Schumacher- MC
Tyler Nubin- SCN
 
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Great pull, but how good was he in HS? We all know what he did for U of I and the Bears, but was he a standout in HS? I'm sure MC63 was at some of his games.
As a high school junior, Grange scored 36 touchdowns and led Wheaton High School to an undefeated season. In his senior year, his team won every game but one in which they lost 39–0 to Scott High School in Toledo, Ohio. Knocked out in this game, Grange remained unconscious for two days, having difficulty speaking when he awoke.
 

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JR Zwierzynski from JCA was the best high school player I have watched live. He was a threat to score every time he touched the ball. He was big(6’3 220)and fast. Would fall for an additional 3-4 yards every play. He was pretty much unstoppable in high school.
 

McCaravan

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JR Zwierzynski from JCA was the best high school player I have watched live. He was a threat to score every time he touched the ball. He was big(6’3 220)and fast. Would fall for an additional 3-4 yards every play. He was pretty much unstoppable in high school.
I should have had him on my list. Thought about Larsen too as his 92 season along with WWS Phil Adler (may he rest peacefully), were special. Both Honorable mentions
 

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Interesting response from Gemini:
The debate for the Illinois High School Football GOAT (Greatest of All Time) is a rich one, spanning over a century of legendary talent. Because the game has changed so much, the "Greatest" usually falls into three categories: historical icons, modern-day superstars, and all-around athletes.
Here are the names that have to be in your debate:
🏛️ The "Mount Rushmore" Icons
These are the players who didn't just dominate Illinois; they became the faces of the sport nationally.
* Red Grange (Wheaton HS): Known as "The Galloping Ghost," he is arguably the most important figure in football history. At Wheaton, he earned 16 varsity letters and scored 75 touchdowns. His 36 touchdowns as a junior led Wheaton to an undefeated season and set the stage for his legendary career at Illinois and with the Chicago Bears.
* Dick Butkus (Chicago Vocational): Before he was the most feared linebacker in NFL history, he was a dominant two-way force in Chicago. He famously played fullback and linebacker, reportedly making 70% of his team’s tackles. He won the Chicago High School Player of the Year as a junior and is the gold standard for defensive grit in Illinois.
* Otto Graham (Waukegan HS): Long before he won seven championships with the Cleveland Browns, Graham was a multi-sport phenom in Waukegan. He was All-State in both football and basketball and led the state in scoring.
💨 Modern-Era Dominators
These players defined the state's high-stakes playoff era (post-1974).
* Ty Isaac (Joliet Catholic): A physical marvel, Isaac is often cited as the best pure running back in modern IHSA history. In the 2011 Class 5A state title game, he set a record with 515 rushing yards and six touchdowns—a performance still whispered about in Joliet.
* J.J. McCarthy (Nazareth Academy): Before winning a National Championship at Michigan, McCarthy was the face of Illinois football. He led Nazareth to a state title in 2018 and a runner-up finish in 2019, displaying a level of poise and arm talent rarely seen at the high school level before transferring for his senior year.
* Simeon Rice (Chicago Mt. Carmel): One of the most athletic pass-rushers the state has ever produced. He was the anchor of a Mount Carmel dynasty that established the South Side as a national powerhouse.
🎖️ The "Dual-Threat" & Statistical Wonders
* James "Biff" Glass (Mount Carmel): A legendary figure from the 1980s who embodies the "Caravan" winning tradition.
* Johnny Lattner (Fenwick): The only Heisman Trophy winner from Chicago (Notre Dame, 1953). At Fenwick, he was an unstoppable force who led his team to multiple Prep Bowl appearances in front of crowds of 70,000+.
* Kaleb Applebey (Mt. Carmel - Southern IL): While from a smaller school, his sheer statistical dominance and physical presence (6'7", 270 lbs) made him a legendary figure in downstate Illinois.
📊 Summary Table: The Heavy Hitters
| Player | School | Primary Claim to Fame |
|---|---|---|
| Red Grange | Wheaton | 75 HS touchdowns; "The Galloping Ghost." |
| Dick Butkus | Chicago Vocational | Credited with 70% of team tackles; legendary toughness. |
| Ty Isaac | Joliet Catholic | 515 yards in a single State Championship game. |
| Otto Graham | Waukegan | State scoring leader; 3-sport All-State athlete. |
| J.J. McCarthy | Nazareth Academy | 26-2 record as a starter; 2 State Finals appearances. |
 
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4Afan

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Forgot Lattner went to Fenwick and had no clue about Otto Graham.
 

McCaravan

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Interesting response from Gemini:
The debate for the Illinois High School Football GOAT (Greatest of All Time) is a rich one, spanning over a century of legendary talent. Because the game has changed so much, the "Greatest" usually falls into three categories: historical icons, modern-day superstars, and all-around athletes.
Here are the names that have to be in your debate:
🏛️ The "Mount Rushmore" Icons
These are the players who didn't just dominate Illinois; they became the faces of the sport nationally.
* Red Grange (Wheaton HS): Known as "The Galloping Ghost," he is arguably the most important figure in football history. At Wheaton, he earned 16 varsity letters and scored 75 touchdowns. His 36 touchdowns as a junior led Wheaton to an undefeated season and set the stage for his legendary career at Illinois and with the Chicago Bears.
* Dick Butkus (Chicago Vocational): Before he was the most feared linebacker in NFL history, he was a dominant two-way force in Chicago. He famously played fullback and linebacker, reportedly making 70% of his team’s tackles. He won the Chicago High School Player of the Year as a junior and is the gold standard for defensive grit in Illinois.
* Otto Graham (Waukegan HS): Long before he won seven championships with the Cleveland Browns, Graham was a multi-sport phenom in Waukegan. He was All-State in both football and basketball and led the state in scoring.
💨 Modern-Era Dominators
These players defined the state's high-stakes playoff era (post-1974).
* Ty Isaac (Joliet Catholic): A physical marvel, Isaac is often cited as the best pure running back in modern IHSA history. In the 2011 Class 5A state title game, he set a record with 515 rushing yards and six touchdowns—a performance still whispered about in Joliet.
* J.J. McCarthy (Nazareth Academy): Before winning a National Championship at Michigan, McCarthy was the face of Illinois football. He led Nazareth to a state title in 2018 and a runner-up finish in 2019, displaying a level of poise and arm talent rarely seen at the high school level before transferring for his senior year.
* Simeon Rice (Chicago Mt. Carmel): One of the most athletic pass-rushers the state has ever produced. He was the anchor of a Mount Carmel dynasty that established the South Side as a national powerhouse.
🎖️ The "Dual-Threat" & Statistical Wonders
* James "Biff" Glass (Mount Carmel): A legendary figure from the 1980s who embodies the "Caravan" winning tradition.
* Johnny Lattner (Fenwick): The only Heisman Trophy winner from Chicago (Notre Dame, 1953). At Fenwick, he was an unstoppable force who led his team to multiple Prep Bowl appearances in front of crowds of 70,000+.
* Kaleb Applebey (Mt. Carmel - Southern IL): While from a smaller school, his sheer statistical dominance and physical presence (6'7", 270 lbs) made him a legendary figure in downstate Illinois.
📊 Summary Table: The Heavy Hitters
| Player | School | Primary Claim to Fame |
|---|---|---|
| Red Grange | Wheaton | 75 HS touchdowns; "The Galloping Ghost." |
| Dick Butkus | Chicago Vocational | Credited with 70% of team tackles; legendary toughness. |
| Ty Isaac | Joliet Catholic | 515 yards in a single State Championship game. |
| Otto Graham | Waukegan | State scoring leader; 3-sport All-State athlete. |
| J.J. McCarthy | Nazareth Academy | 26-2 record as a starter; 2 State Finals appearances. |
Simeon Rice had a dominant senior year and a outstanding collegiate and pro career, but the Mount Rushmore of IL? No way. He's a great story that almost wasn't in HS. Running Back who grew too much and was moved to TE where he was told that spot was going to Matt Cushing (ended up on the Steelers). He almost quit when he was suggested to go to the DL but he tried it and the rest is history. But he wasn't even in consideration as the GOAT.
 

4Afan

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Simeon Rice had a dominant senior year and a outstanding collegiate and pro career, but the Mount Rushmore of IL? No way. He's a great story that almost wasn't in HS. Running Back who grew too much and was moved to TE where he was told that spot was going to Matt Cushing (ended up on the Steelers). He almost quit when he was suggested to go to the DL but he tried it and the rest is history. But he wasn't even in consideration as the GOAT.
Reason #6,381,630 to not blindly trust AI
 

4Afan

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Dergo

The kid had a phenomenal career. Never left the field.

He was somehow an even better wrestler!

The win over JCA will be talked about for eternity in Morris.

Can't believe there isnt a statue.
Can definitely make the argument for him, but the vast majority of his success was from one year, which is why I left him off my GOAT list. Even though it does make me smile knowing the mention of his name makes certain JCA fans sweat. 😉

In regards to football vs. wrestling, I'm surprised the comparisons between him and Stewart was never mentioned.
 
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Dergo

The kid had a phenomenal career. Never left the field.

He was somehow an even better wrestler!

The win over JCA will be talked about for eternity in Morris.

Can't believe there isnt a statue.
As a JCA guy, don’t get me wrong, Dergo was fantastic and played Ironman football and had one of the single best performances I have seen. But if we are talking GOAT here, I have to go Jeske over him. He was a key piece on 3 title teams and spearheaded the defense that shut Dergo down in 2004. 60 ish yards on about 20 carries. I just can’t shake that performance from my memory and it is part of what makes the success Dergo has in 2005 so much more mythical in that he was really shut down in 2004. Jeske graduating is a big part of that.

Dergo as a three way player is certainly among the best in that category, but I just don’t think I place him among my greatest of all time.

for my money, JR Zwierzynski was the scariest runner I have seen at the HS level and he was a key piece on three state title teams with two separate 2000 yard seasons and not a single example of a defense being able to limit him or shut him down.

so for those reasons and the fact that both of them were dominant over three plus seasons, I take both Jeske and JRZ over Dergo. Dergos rarity is that he did it on both sides of the ball. Matt Perez was another like Dergo, though his success was at Maine south and he won consecutive 8A with 14-0 teams, so I think Matt Perez has to have a clear nod over Dergo if we are using the Ironman criteria as well.
 

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As a JCA guy, don’t get me wrong, Dergo was fantastic and played Ironman football and had one of the single best performances I have seen. But if we are talking GOAT here, I have to go Jeske over him. He was a key piece on 3 title teams and spearheaded the defense that shut Dergo down in 2004. 60 ish yards on about 20 carries. I just can’t shake that performance from my memory and it is part of what makes the success Dergo has in 2005 so much more mythical in that he was really shut down in 2004. Jeske graduating is a big part of that.

Dergo as a three way player is certainly among the best in that category, but I just don’t think I place him among my greatest of all time.

for my money, JR Zwierzynski was the scariest runner I have seen at the HS level and he was a key piece on three state title teams with two separate 2000 yard seasons and not a single example of a defense being able to limit him or shut him down.

so for those reasons and the fact that both of them were dominant over three plus seasons, I take both Jeske and JRZ over Dergo. Dergos rarity is that he did it on both sides of the ball. Matt Perez was another like Dergo, though his success was at Maine south and he won consecutive 8A with 14-0 teams, so I think Matt Perez has to have a clear nod over Dergo if we are using the Ironman criteria as well.
I wasn't sure so I went back and looked and in the 2004 game Jeske only had 4 tackles. He was an absolutely amazing player, but in that game I think it was more of a team defense rather than one guy dominating.
 

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I wasn't sure so I went back and looked and in the 2004 game Jeske only had 4 tackles. He was an absolutely amazing player, but in that game I think it was more of a team defense rather than one guy dominating.
You also have to take into account his fumble recovery in the end zone for a TD in first quarter. Only TD in the game until late in the fourth. Yes the defense evenly distributed tackles that game, but Jeske was the Ray Lewis type everything hinged on.

you also have to consider that 3/4 d line starters were juniors and back the next year. The 2004 LB corps was outstanding in general. The fact that the same DL returned bigger and faster for 2005 and Dergo ran roughshod over them tells me the linebackers in 04 were the difference, with Jeske being the clear centerpiece.

awful conditions for that 04 game. The early game punt pinning Morris on their 2 and the subsequent Jeske fumble recovery was ultimately the difference in what otherwise could have been a toss up game.
 
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4Afan

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You also have to take into account his fumble recovery in the end zone for a TD in first quarter. Only TD in the game until late in the fourth. Yes the defense evenly distributed tackles that game, but Jeske was the Ray Lewis type everything hinged on.

you also have to consider that 3/4 d line starters were juniors and back the next year. The 2004 LB corps was outstanding in general. The fact that the same DL returned bigger and faster for 2005 and Dergo ran roughshod over them tells me the linebackers in 04 were the difference, with Jeske being the clear centerpiece.

awful conditions for that 04 game. The early game punt pinning Morris on their 2 and the subsequent Jeske fumble recovery was ultimately the difference in what otherwise could have been a toss up game.
His TD recovery was a case of right place, right time. It was a botched hand off and nothing the JCA defense did. I'm not taking anything away from the amazing HS career he had, but it's not like he shut down Dergo on his own.
 

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Beutjer and Schweighardt were unreal. Definitely ahead of their time. Would have loved to see them against that Jerry Schumacher led MC defense. Going with Schu in that one. As a Mustang, I'll always be partial to Wade Weyer. But for my money, no questions asked, Jack Elliot is the best I have ever seen.
 

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All.... GOAT depends on how that is defined. Skill set, toughness, dedication, team leader, wins. SHG has had so many it is hard to pick one. Your list has a couple of them. I have mentioned this one before. QB Bobby Brenniesen. If the criteria is strictly wins you can't do better then what he achieved. 9-0 at both the freshman and sophomore levels and then 28-0 at the varsity level. Pretty unusual.... Ratsy