Goal for Year - 3 Seed or Higher

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@The_Answer1313

You know bracketology really well, what was it you said a few weeks back about being a 3 or 4 (or better) seed that was very important? I think you still got favorable location at that level, but once you went to the 5th seed or worse, location was taken out? Could be wrong.

I'd say anything less than a 4 seed would be a disappointment. No reason we can't be a top16 seed.

Also have to keep in mind, there are no juggernauts this year. I think only 2 teams have a chance at a 2-3 loss season and that's Kansas and MSU, who BOTH have a long way to go to get that.

I think you could see the last #1 seed have 5-6 losses.

When it comes to the opening rounds, it really goes by location. In ways it's actually easier to predict opening round sites than it easy to predict what region UK will go to.

As far as opening round goes, it largely will depend on where the sites are and who is higher on the seed list overall. They will go 1 through 16 (ie the top 4 seeds) and place teams in it's closest geographical location. The thing is once you get to the 4 seed, you're probably playing games out West. Just looking at Lunardi's bracketology (you could take any) the 4 seeds are playing in Spokane, Spokane (again), Denver and Providence. And since the 4 seeds go to those regions, so do the 5s, 12s and 13s. So in terms of opening round games getting a 4 or 5 would not be good.

Even getting a 3 seed might not be good enough to get UK to St. Louis which is their closest opening round site.

Of course this is all dependent on who is ahead of you. You could eventually have a year where there's a ton of West teams high on the seed list and thus they stay West and other sites are opened for the 4 seeds but typically that's not the case. Last year you had Portland, Columbus, Seattle and Jacksonville.

Just another point......the 1s are paired with 16s, 8s and 9s. This helped us in 2014 as we got paired with Wichita St and got the closest region.

So that's opening games. Basically just straight down the seed list. There really isn't any bracketing procedures they have to worry about violating. The host school can't play at the site. That's about it.

But then we get to regionals. All of a sudden, its not about where you are overall on the seed list but where you are ON THAT LINE. So if UK was the overall 1 seed, they would go to Louisville. There's no question about that. If they were the strongest 2 seed, they would go to Louisville. Again no question. But that's just really difficult to judge. I mean the difference between being overall 4th, the weakest 1 and sent out west vs overall 5th, the strongest 2 and being sent to Louisville, we are talking one spot on the overall seed list. So it becomes real tough to judge where teams are going. Another note is the further UK goes down seed wise the more likelihood another SEC is higher and if they are in that region, UK won't be able to go there. So I think UK finishing on the top of the SEC is important too. Louisville is the South Region. Alot of SEC teams that would be their natural region.

So I'm rambling on but to answer your question you really want to be a 3 seed or better to get a favorable location, at least in terms of opening round games. If you fall below the 4th seed you really have zero control tho since it would all depend on who your paired with (ie 5s will go with 4s which means most likely out west, 6s would go with wherever the 3s went etc etc)
 
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Thing about Skal is even if he does get it eventually he is so foul prone he wouldn't be able to stay on the court any amount of time to be effective.

I actually felt Skal was doing some good things in that short time he played against Bama. He had one block and one rebound. Then he goes getting quick fouls and ends up playing a grand total of 4 mins.

Dude has alot to learn but first and foremost he has to stay on the court.

He commits 6.8 fouls per 40 mins he's on that court. That's not good lol
 
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I think we'd max out at a 2 seed, even if we run the table. Passing the "eye" test is a factor too, even though they don't say it is. If we run the table and say, lose only to Kansas, I think we would get a 2. For me, we seem like a 3 or 4 seed, which I also think is good.
 

mjj_2K

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I think we'd max out at a 2 seed, even if we run the table. Passing the "eye" test is a factor too, even though they don't say it is. If we run the table and say, lose only to Kansas, I think we would get a 2. For me, we seem like a 3 or 4 seed, which I also think is good.
In the last 10 years, 11 of the 40 one seeds had at least 5 losses entering the tournament.

If UK finishes the season on a 19-1 run, with its only loss at Kansas, then UK is going to be a 1 seed.

Which won't happen, unless Skal gets bitten by a radioactive spider or something. Still, realistically, 30-4, 17-1 in the SEC, SEC Tourney champ is a 1 seed 95% of the time.
 
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It's unlikely tho.

Right now looking at Sagarin and KP we would likely be underdogs @ KU, @ Vandy, @ USC, @ Texas AM and @ Florida. Tho out of those games the only major underdog one is at Kansas (predicted score 81-70). The rest are 4 points or less.
 

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So, you signed up yesterday after our win just to say that we can't get a 1 seed? Sniff, sniff.

What's your problem??? Many sign up to give props to UK. You shouldn't be suspicious or call anyone out unless you're sure......[eyeroll]
 

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Just looked at some of the Bracketologies.

Embarrassed to admit this, I had no idea that all the opening round sites could not only rotate IN a region, but even move OUT of a region. I was under the Impression that if say, Oklahoma City was hosting the 6/11 and 3/14 seeds in the West, then that was final.

Explains why I never bought into these teams being placed correctly. How would it be possible with predetermined locations.

Makes much more sense now. The locations will vary based on the seeding. Making it much easier to "get things right".
 

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What's your problem??? Many sign up to give props to UK. You shouldn't be suspicious or call anyone out unless you're sure......[eyeroll]

What's your problem? I am suspicious of someone who joins after our best win in a while to tell us that we can't get a 1 seed.

Considering he chooses a handle that would seemingly be associated with birds, my suspicions are doubled.

It's not like I cussed him out or anything. And it isn't like this board isn't full of trolls.
 
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What's your problem? I am suspicious of someone who joins after our best win in a while to tell us that we can't get a 1 seed.

Considering he chooses a handle that would seemingly be associated with birds, my suspicions are doubled.

It's not like I cussed him out or anything. And it isn't like this board isn't full of trolls.

I thought throwing a roll eyes in would tell you I was just messing with you as I tend to agree with your post. Geez...you can't mess with anyone these days...[winking]

I guess I didn't express well in this post...I can admit that,....maybe...
 
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I thought throwing a roll eyes in would tell you I was just messing with you as I tend to agree with your post. Geez...you can't mess with anyone these days...[winking]

I guess I didn't express well in this post...I can admit that,....maybe...

Haha, sorry. Maybe my eyesight is slipping.
 
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Just looked at some of the Bracketologies.

Embarrassed to admit this, I had no idea that all the opening round sites could not only rotate IN a region, but even move OUT of a region. I was under the Impression that if say, Oklahoma City was hosting the 6/11 and 3/14 seeds in the West, then that was final.

Explains why I never bought into these teams being placed correctly. How would it be possible with predetermined locations.

Makes much more sense now. The locations will vary based on the seeding. Making it much easier to "get things right".

Yeah it used to be like that but was changed (I think in 2002)

It has it's advantages and disadvantages but I think it's fair.

On the plus side, it makes the regular season more important. Not only are you fighting for a good seed but your also fighting because the better seed you get, the closer to home you get to play. And it matters greatly. Teams that have to travel a long distance tend to do worse. I haven't looked at it in detail but it could possibly explain why 12s beat 5s more often than we would expect them to. Since 4s and 5s get shipped West I'd venture to guess the 12s and 13s have shorter travel to those sites. I could be wrong tho.

A down side is when your looking at it from the region point of view. While determining region is based on where you are at on the seed line, the better teams are still trying to stay closer to home. So what ends up happening is not only does the weakest 1 go out West, but the weakest 2 etc etc. Now that's obviously not the complete truth. There's various rules and procedures that prevent all of the weakest teams going to one region. There's rules on how many conference teams can be in a region and rules on when they can meet up. After the first four lines (1-16 on the seed list) they also add up the values in each region based on overall seed list and make sure that there's not a huge difference between regions. So there are some controls in place to make sure the strength of the regions don't differ widely.

My feeling on that is who cares. If you seed teams properly even if u put the weakest 1,2,3 etc etc in one region, it should still balance out somewhat since if properly seeded a 1 seed should be better than a 2 which is better than a 3 etc etc. Also I feel like if teams have good regular seasons they earned the right to play closer to home.
 
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Don't know what you're thinking but the goal is what it always is at UK. National Championship of Bust. We can still be a 1 seed too, but we'll have to beat Kansas and win some road games. I'd say we can lose 2 more, maybe 3 more games and still get a 1.
 
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I thought throwing a roll eyes in would tell you I was just messing with you as I tend to agree with your post. Geez...you can't mess with anyone these days...[winking]

I guess I didn't express well in this post...I can admit that,....maybe...

You guys are real geniuses. Regular Sherlock Holmeses. I join to talk about our optimal NCAA path given current circumstances and use a nonsense word I wasn't even thinking about and you detectives has sniffed out that I'm... I'm not sure. Keep up the great work Sherlocks
 

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You guys are real geniuses. Regular Sherlock Holmeses. I join to talk about our optimal NCAA path given current circumstances and use a nonsense word I wasn't even thinking about and you detectives has sniffed out that I'm... I'm not sure. Keep up the great work Sherlocks

Dang...
 
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