George Floyd Revisited

[SDTiger9]

I am absolutely comfortable with it... Let's take your example and change it just a little. A 55 year old man with stage 4 cancer and cirrhosis of the walks into a bank. The bank is being robbed and the robber shoots him in the chest. Two days later the man dies in the ICU. Does the bank robber NOT get charged with murder? Does the man's death certificate say he died of cancer or cirrhosis? Of course not, because the bullet to the chest killed him.

Same thing here.

We cannot talk at both sides of our mouths. If we’re gonna play this cause orientation game where the primary cause lies. Being shot with a weapon or taking too much fentanyl, it’s pretty clear about that medical intervention. All of us live through a life of bacterial and viral infections with the vast majority of us who are healthy always pull through. It’s rare, a healthy person dies. But it’s very common that an unhealthy person with an infection does succumb.

It’s no surprise more Americans died of Covid then of other nations who have more healthy people.

This country is effing pathetic about taking ownership of reality. Always wanting to cast blame elsewhere, than looking dead in the face and recognizing that half your tank is already dead and with any additional added, straw will kill your camels fat ***.

It was abundantly clear in the Covid reporting game that over 95% of people who died were in poor health.

 

[hopefultiger13]

We cannot talk at both sides of our mouths. If we’re gonna play this cause orientation game where the primary cause lies. Being shot with a weapon or taking too much fentanyl, it’s pretty clear about that medical intervention. All of us live through a life of bacterial and viral infections with the vast majority of us who are healthy always pull through. It’s rare, a healthy person dies. But it’s very common that an unhealthy person with an infection does succumb.

It’s no surprise more Americans died of Covid then of other nations who have more healthy people.

This country is effing pathetic about taking ownership of reality. Always wanting to cast blame elsewhere, than looking dead in the face and recognizing that half your tank is already dead and with any additional added, straw will kill your camels fat ***.

It was abundantly clear in the Covid reporting game that over 95% of people who died were in poor health.

I agree with the fact that COVID killed the unhealthy at a far higher rate that the unhealthy. There's no question about that, or that if folks were healthier they'd be safer and would have been FAR less likely to die if they did get COVID. My problem was with the folks that were dumping on the cause of death, saying people that died of COVID didn't REALLY die of COVID b/c they were unhealthy. That's just not true.

 

[SDTiger9]

I agree with the fact that COVID killed the unhealthy at a far higher rate that the unhealthy. There's no question about that, or that if folks were healthier they'd be safer and would have been FAR less likely to die if they did get COVID. My problem was with the folks that were dumping on the cause of death, saying people that died of COVID didn't REALLY die of COVID b/c they were unhealthy. That's just not true.

There’s reason why we learn logic, probability, statistics, Venn diagrams.
To actually use them!!!

It’s true that unhealthy people in their current state + COLD/FLU/COVID will die.

It’s true that healthy people in their current state + COLD/FLU/COVID will die.

It’s true that OLDER people will die at a much higher rate which is a direct correlation of aging cells and weakened immune system.

It’s also true those with comorbidities will die at a higher rate than those who do not.

The biggest ******** about COVID was that it was never communicated in relation to how it affected as it would a bad flu outbreak affecting the population with an across the board mathematical increase that was small until to hit 65+. BUT EVEN on the low age realm, it was those that had comorbidities was the vast majority that suffered. Those popping off that no one died with COVID healthy otherwise? Wrong. Was it a very small number? Yes. No different than getting the flu for this age and health range.

Net net, healthy people under 55, COVID SHOULD HAVE BEEN business as usual.

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

Yea, no lack of objectivity or pressure to convict in that trial. Cop messed up and deserved punishment, but it also wasn't cold-blooded murder.

The lesson here is:

• Don't do hard drugs
• Don't commit crimes

Had Floyd avoided both of these he would be alive today.

Of course we focused on systemic racism instead of practicing good behavior to keep yourself out of these situations.

The cop messed up ... give me a fvcking break! Of course, people shouldn't do hard drugs or commit crimes, but that didn't give the cop the right to kill a human being. Cop deserved what he got.

The irony is that you will be voting for Trump ... a man who has no integrity and has committed numerous crimes but hey white collar crime is ok because, you know, they're rich.

 

[CUT93]

The cop messed up ... give me a fvcking break! Of course, people shouldn't do hard drugs or commit crimes, but that didn't give the cop the right to kill a human being. Cop deserved what he got.

The irony is that you will be voting for Trump ... a man who has no integrity and has committed numerous crimes but hey white collar crime is ok because, you know, they're rich.

Did you not read what he wrote? He clearly said the cop messed up and deserved punishment. Just not for murder. Additionally he said we should encourage people not to be ****** humans and commit crime so they can avoid these situation all together. Are you in favor of people committing crimes?
Also - he has repeatedly said he was NOT voting for Trump. Any more conclusions you want to jump to?

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

Did you not read what he wrote? He clearly said the cop messed up and deserved punishment. Just not for murder. Additionally he said we should encourage people not to be ****** humans and commit crime so they can avoid these situation all together. Are you in favor of people committing crimes?
Also - he has repeatedly said he was NOT voting for Trump. Any more conclusions you want to jump to?

Did you not read what I wrote about people not committing crimes? And I haven’t been keeping up with his previous posts about anything lately like you have apparently. And I'm glad to hear he won't be voting for Benedict Donald. My apologies to Scotch. I wish more people would look at the facts and stop kissing the ring of the narcissist criminal.

 

[TigerGrowls]

But no one on MMA is kneeling on anyone's neck for 10 minutes.

Thats true but I am just stating the fact that the pressure has to be applied continuously in the exact right spot and pressure to make someone pass out and any little movement can change that pressure. MMA fighters that pass out due to a choke almost immediately wake up as soon as the choke is released. The fentanyl had a huge affect on the outcome while I would agree that the officer deserved some punishment well short of what he received.

 

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[PalmettoTiger1]

So can you explain why they didn't just take him in instead of knee to the throat for 10 minutes?

Extremely poor police procedures

Was not there nor have physical evidence to examine.

I will say that a physically imposing man hyped ip on drugs can be a real challenge to subdue and put in cuffs

It was a tragedy he died in the process

There was also a case in Minnesota where an Australian women called 911 snd ran out of an alley to flag doen a police cruiser and the passenger police officer drew his service revolver and shot and killed her through the open driver side window

I find that particularly disturbing as to the details I heard

Clearly the quality of police officers policies they operate under training to those policies and implementation need serious review and adjustment

 

[hopefultiger13]

Extremely poor police procedures

Was not there nor have physical evidence to examine.

I will say that a physically imposing man hyped ip on drugs can be a real challenge to subdue and put in cuffs

It was a tragedy he died in the process

There was also a case in Minnesota where an Australian women called 911 snd ran out of an alley to flag doen a police cruiser and the passenger police officer drew his service revolver and shot and killed her through the open driver side window

I find that particularly disturbing as to the details I heard

Clearly the quality of police officers policies they operate under training to those policies and implementation need serious review and adjustment

While I generally agree here, but there's something here that's pretty important. Here's what you said:

I will say that a physically imposing man hyped ip on drugs can be a real challenge to subdue and put in cuffs

It was a tragedy he died in the process

IMHO, that's part of the problem. The police showed up and quickly put Floyd on cuffs with little resistance. He did resist them putting him in the car. But the police did get him inside then immediately pulled him through the back seat and out the other side. At that point "The process" SHOULD HAVE BEEN over until he gets to the police station for booking. He can do whatever in the back of that car but he's in a metal cage. It's unclear why they pulled him out and put him on the street with 3 officers holding him down, one with a knee on his neck. Once Floyd is down on the pavement, it doesn't look like he's struggling. To be fair, I don't think the video is conclusive on that, but it's pretty obvious that the police have control of him at that point. Again, "the process" is over. But he's held down with a knee on his neck and 2 other cops on his torso and legs for another 10 minutes while he's saying he can't breath.

IMHO, the police did a good job right until they pulled him through the backseat and out the other side. At that point things go off the rails. Here's a link to the video. Note that it's from the NT Times, so I paid no attention to the narrative that goes with the film and I'd encourage you to do the same as they are forming a narrative that supports his murder. Just mute it and watch.

That last 9 minutes or so, is pretty disturbing, knowing the guy is in distress and is about to die. As you said, crap procedures for sure. Not for a minute do I think the cops woke up that morning intending to kill Floyd, but they f'd up for sure and a man died that shouldn't have. In that 10 minutes, If Floyd was on drugs, he should have been in an Ambulance on the way to the hospital. If he wasn't, he should have been on the way to the city jail for booking. Where he SHOULDN'T have been is lying on the pavement with a knee on his neck.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd.html

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

While I generally agree here, but there's something here that's pretty important. Here's what you said:

I will say that a physically imposing man hyped ip on drugs can be a real challenge to subdue and put in cuffs

It was a tragedy he died in the process

IMHO, that's part of the problem. The police showed up and quickly put Floyd on cuffs with little resistance. He did resist them putting him in the car. But the police did get him inside then immediately pulled him through the back seat and out the other side. At that point "The process" SHOULD HAVE BEEN over until he gets to the police station for booking. He can do whatever in the back of that car but he's in a metal cage. It's unclear why they pulled him out and put him on the street with 3 officers holding him down, one with a knee on his neck. Once Floyd is down on the pavement, it doesn't look like he's struggling. To be fair, I don't think the video is conclusive on that, but it's pretty obvious that the police have control of him at that point. Again, "the process" is over. But he's held down with a knee on his neck and 2 other cops on his torso and legs for another 10 minutes while he's saying he can't breath.

IMHO, the police did a good job right until they pulled him through the backseat and out the other side. At that point things go off the rails. Here's a link to the video. Note that it's from the NT Times, so I paid no attention to the narrative that goes with the film and I'd encourage you to do the same as they are forming a narrative that supports his murder. Just mute it and watch.

That last 9 minutes or so, is pretty disturbing, knowing the guy is in distress and is about to die. As you said, crap procedures for sure. Not for a minute do I think the cops woke up that morning intending to kill Floyd, but they f'd up for sure and a man died that shouldn't have. In that 10 minutes, If Floyd was on drugs, he should have been in an Ambulance on the way to the hospital. If he wasn't, he should have been on the way to the city jail for booking. Where he SHOULDN'T have been is lying on the pavement with a knee on his neck.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd.html

To be clear I have only read and halfway paid attention to the video but did look at stuff somewhat with a casual view.

Unfortunately, when people resist arrest the worse comes out in everyone.

The best thing a person can do is just go with police without resisting.

And of course that does not always work.

I do think intense training in regard to this type of interaction is better that the approximately 600 riots and some deaths as a result of peaceful protests that resulted.

Those peaceful protests I can say I do no see what I would describe as progress in improved policing.

 

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[fatpiggy]

 

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[PalmettoTiger1]

Total left wing liberal Democratic George Soros funded domestic terrorism and riot to undermine law and order in America

The pendulum is shifting and these fake police violence stuff is out of favor

The reason I say that is I acknowledge that there are times police could have handled a situation better however since George Floyd died please don’t try to convince me that there were not similar situations where police mishandled the arrest. The George Floyd situation was very unfortunate but in reality blown way out of proportion to the actual police response being unprofessional.

 

[lucas80]

DeMZ R thE RaCIsTS!! TheY R AlwAYz TaLKnG aBOuT rAce!!!

 

[lucas80]

This Tiger guy is FraNiSdAMaN, right? The relentless pushing of his own threads. The obsessive behavior. The total, "I have lots of black friends", on Facebook schtick?

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

DeMZ R thE RaCIsTS!! TheY R AlwAYz TaLKnG aBOuT rAce!!!

This Tiger guy is FraNiSdAMaN, right? The relentless pushing of his own threads. The obsessive behavior. The total, "I have lots of black friends", on Facebook schtick?

You seem pretty upset. Have you still not gotten over George Floyd’s overdose? What was it, 11mg?

 

[lucas80]

You seem pretty upset. Have you still not gotten over George Floyd’s overdose? What was it, 11mg?

Why haven't Chauvin's lawyers mentioned this in a courtroom? Have you written to them? It would be helpful to share this with them.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

Why haven't Chauvin's lawyers mentioned this in a courtroom? Have you written to them? It would be helpful to share this with them.

So you aren’t. Got it

 

[lucas80]

So you aren’t. Got it

They could get one of those bad court thingies!

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

They could get one of those bad court thingies!

 

[Jfcarter3]

So what are we solving for ITT?

 

[Jfcarter3]

Wow. You uh, oooofff. That's pretty terrible even for you.

 

[TigerGrowls]

14 current and former Minneapolis Police Department officers signed sworn declarations stating they believe Assistant Chief (now Acting Chief) Katie Blackwell perjured herself during Derek Chauvin’s 2021 murder trial.

And 33 officers signed declarations affirming that the knee-on-neck/shoulder restraint Chauvin used was taught by MPD at the time—contradicting Blackwell’s trial testimony that it was not part of department training/policy.

They ruined this man's life over politics.

He needs to be released and she needs to take his place in prison!!

 

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[Thebears-165]

Yeah, shame he didn't get a trial and went straight to prison.

So a trial guilty verdict automatically makes him guilty? Can’t possibly be the pressure from society the jury felt? I guess OJ was actually innocent in your mind.
I personally know the attorneys originally appointed to defend Chauvin. They had to resign as their family was being threatened online and in front of their house. Way, way worse than you could even imagine. If that jury didn’t convict, the “left” would have destroyed them. I put that in quotes as I don’t think it was actually voting left, just people pretending to care.

And I’m not saying Chauvin didn’t overreact, but anyone not looking at this as a race baited incident can objectively see that wasn’t murder. In fact, I’m still trying to figure out how anyone thinks this had anything to do with race. ****** cop, sure. But what made it racist?

I live 2 miles from GF square and it is a joke the amount of people, white and black, that are taking advantage of this still.

 

[Thebears-165]

Extremely poor police procedures

Was not there nor have physical evidence to examine.

I will say that a physically imposing man hyped ip on drugs can be a real challenge to subdue and put in cuffs

It was a tragedy he died in the process

There was also a case in Minnesota where an Australian women called 911 snd ran out of an alley to flag doen a police cruiser and the passenger police officer drew his service revolver and shot and killed her through the open driver side window

I find that particularly disturbing as to the details I heard

Clearly the quality of police officers policies they operate under training to those policies and implementation need serious review and adjustment

And that guy, a minority cop and white woman if it matters, got 5 years is all and served 3 and was released.

And the city agreed to pay $20m to her family. Strangely not a single window was broken during that whole incident

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

And that guy, a minority of you care, got 5 years is all

The case was messy and the police needed to have reprimands but 5 years was not appropriate

I don’t have an answer but the whole thing was unfortunate and overblown

The loss of life was unfortunate but Most ignore George Floyd contributed a tremendous amount of blame for his untimely death

 

[Thebears-165]

The case was messy and the police needed to have reprimands but 5 years was not appropriate

I don’t have an answer but the whole thing was unfortunate and overblown

The loss of life was unfortunate but Most ignore George Floyd contributed a tremendous amount of blame for his untimely death

I agree and in the vast minority on that opinion, well at least of those that will openly admit it up here. It is extremely unfortunate that he passed away but anyone that thinks it was intentional is a ******* moron

 

[DailyBuck7]

So can you explain why they didn't just take him in instead of knee to the throat for 10 minutes?

The police talked to him respectfully for about 4 minutes trying to calm him down but he wouldn't do it. (watch video). He was an ahole who put himself in harm's way. Still the police officer acted unprofessionally and should have been guilty of manslaughter not murder. Nothing for the country or much of the world to get upset about.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

The police talked to him respectfully for about 4 minutes trying to calm him down but he wouldn't do it. (watch video). He was an ahole who put himself in harm's way. Still the police officer acted unprofessionally and should have been guilty of manslaughter not murder. Nothing for the country or much of the world to get upset about.

You are probably not aware of the year earlier a police officer in the drivers side of the police cruiser shot across the police officer driving the car killing an Australian woman who had called 911 reporting a rape. the lady ran out of an alley and the policeman for some reason shot the lady

I never heard all the details but it seemed to get hushed up due to the immigration status of the policeman

that policeman in that case was definitely out of control and negligent

 

[DailyBuck7]

I've a little different take here. As a general rule, I'm more supportive of the police until I see substantial reason not to be. I hate to speak ill of the dead, but turning this guy into a hero didn't make any headway with me either. BUT...This is a CLEAR case where the police were over the line. I don't care what color Floyd was, I don't care what crime he committed, or what drugs he was on. Once a person has been subdued by the police, that person is in their care.

Tucker Carlsen can spin all he wants, but I saw the cams on Floyd, just like I saw the live footage from the Capital.

Some times Tucker is full of ****.. this is one of those times.

Floyd was in police custody and an officer had a knee on the man's neck while the guy was not struggling and saying he couldn't breath. The guy died in police custody. That should be looked at, period. I'm not jumping to any conclusions... let the process work itself out. And it did.

There was a trial where a jury went though ALL the evidence, not just the stuff cherry picked by the media (on both sides). They came back with a murder conviction. I'm going with the jury decision until I get good info that something was wrong there.

Take a look at the 4 minute video of police calmly and without violence initially trying to get him out of the car and calm him down. It is at about the 5th minute in the Fall of Minneapolis, which has already been cited in this thread. Two black men, one of them McWhorter is a writer for the NYTs, after watching the film, say they have been lied to again -- Floyd didn't die as a result of white police officers trying to single out and harm a black man. See this https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/67137?in=5:42 and this: https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/67137?in=0:00

 

[Thebears-165]

Take a look at the 4 minute video of police calmly and without violence initially trying to get him out of the car and calm him down. It is at about the 5th minute in the Fall of Minneapolis, which has already been cited in this thread. Two black men, one of them McWhorter is a writer for the NYTs, after watching the film, say they have been lied to again -- Floyd didn't die as a result of white police officers trying to single out and harm a black man. See this https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/67137?in=5:42 and this: https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/67137?in=0:00

Come on. The far left white guys here are way better judges than any black guy that doesn’t fit their narrative. If you don’t agree you are automatically racist.

What’s weird is they never comment on the fact many African Americans feel the same way. Guess they are racist as well

 

[Allornothing]

14 current and former Minneapolis Police Department officers signed sworn declarations stating they believe Assistant Chief (now Acting Chief) Katie Blackwell perjured herself during Derek Chauvin’s 2021 murder trial.

And 33 officers signed declarations affirming that the knee-on-neck/shoulder restraint Chauvin used was taught by MPD at the time—contradicting Blackwell’s trial testimony that it was not part of department training/policy.

They ruined this man's life over politics.

He needs to be released and she needs to take his place in prison!!

I could be wrong, but I believe I saw on the "interwebs" the handbook that showed how that was part of their training at the time.

Either way, that POS died of a drug overdose. Career/habitual criminal his whole ******* life. He should have died of "lead" poisoning before that event ever took place.

How the MSM made him a martyr is anyone's guess. My guess is they are POS too.

 

[Allornothing]

The case was messy and the police needed to have reprimands but 5 years was not appropriate

I don’t have an answer but the whole thing was unfortunate and overblown

The loss of life was unfortunate but Most ignore George Floyd contributed a tremendous amount of blame for his untimely death

He was a POS! Why does everyone forget about this? He was a POS his entire life.

I didn't even try to google it, because I'm sure it has been scrubbed by now. To my understanding, the whole reason the po-po were even involved is because he was trying to buy **** with fake currency.

He was a POS, and went down how he should have went down years earlier.