You contradict yourself. If we would’ve won but for the Willis shooting circus, then we played well enough to win under normal circumstances. You can argue that we should have played well enough to win EVEN DESPITE getting extremely unlucky with Willis, but that’s a different argument.
Basketball GAME THREAD: RHoops vs. Minnesota
- Thread starter Richie O
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it should never have down to that
we never did the things that EVERY team does when the other team is so short handed - never pushed it into the paint, never pushed the ball, never pressed, never tried to get them in foul trouble, etc
instead OUR approach allowed to come down to who shot better
it should NEVER have come down to that
You're being obtuse. This wasn't a the "single factor" game you want to make it out to be.
Honestly a bit skeptical that the proper strategy, for a team that doesn’t press that much and doesn’t play at a high tempo, is to play a completely different game just because the opponent only has 7 players available.
not a bad point but they never tried ANY of that all game long at all. Sorry - that’s just stupid
I see what you’re saying but the game was close the whole time. Pike had a game plan going in, nothing ever happened that would’ve made him think he needed to deviate from it.
Yeah - the other factors are "we didn't play especially well"
This game wasn't lost because of Willis having a monster night, because Baker nearly matched him. This game was lost because the other 7 Rutgers players (all primary rotation guys who average 53.0 ppg) couldn't beat the other 6 Minnesota players (1 starter and a handful of backups, who average 18.1 ppg) by more than a paltry 2 points.
Minnesota is 138 in 3 point shooting in the nation. This game was a bit of a fluke but imo we blew it by not pressuring the ball.
Totally disagree .
the game plan was stupid. Minny should never have been in this game.
pike should have tried (at least some of) the things I mentioned to break the game open/ up the intensity (press, push into paint, push tempo, try to get fouls on them).
he never did - he allowed Minny to control the game plan!!!
his “game plan” played right into their hands - ie never took advantage of the fact that they were short handed
that is really really dumb
and I’m really a pike fan. But today’s approach was unfathomably dumb
we didn’t blow anything. Minny kid was unconcious and we missed chippies. Game plan was fine.
If we pressured the ball and denied zero it doesn’t come down to that imo.
Teams get hot and cold shooting. That's the nature of the game. But what separates the top teams is the inside presence. Illinois has Kofi. Cliff is only a sophomore and will get better with time. But the inability to hit those layups is a major liability. That was a big factor in todays loss.
and if Cliff made his chippies and Harper doesn’t miss 2 wide open threes it doesn’t come down to that either.
The coaching was fine.
That’s not how anything works, games are not played 4 on 4, and you’ve completely ignored that indisputable fact that Willis was much further above his expected points on the shots he took than Baker was.
What was it? Wait for Geo to get hot. What was the game plan for the first 10 min?
Im not a basketbsll coach, so I don’t know much about game plans. but the gameplan for the first 10 minutes was likely the same as the last 30.
To imply there was no gameplan is silly.
You are mostly correct as the failure to press allowed Willis and Loewe
You are making valid points but you fail to give the other team especially Willis and Loewe credit as they combined for 51-68 points and shot 11-17 and 8-14. Most were with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock. Pike gambled that 2 guys playing 40 minutes each would not continue to hit shots . Whereas I would have pressed them to tire them out and have them lose their legs but his strategy did not anticipate that they would execute their half court possessions almost perfectly all day. Maybe he thought his defense was finally going to show up like he has seen it before. Minnesota threaded the needle today which makes Pike ‘s game plan questioned but he doubted they would play as perfectly as they did.
Yeah a tough costly loss but sometimes you have to give the other team some credit.
Obviously I was joking about the game plan. But the punchline here is that game plan sucked. It might be better to admit we had no game plan. Super surprised Pike didn’t work in Palmquist today. LOL
It’s like Matt Painter said, you have to be 10 points better on the road…so that the game is not decided by a last play or a ref’s call.
There is no reason that we could not be 10 points better today.
If we mixed the teams players for a pickup-up game, probably 7 of the first 8 players picked today would be from Rutgers.
There is no reason that we could not be 10 points better today.
If we mixed the teams players for a pickup-up game, probably 7 of the first 8 players picked today would be from Rutgers.
Willis scored 14.5 more points than his average. Baker scored 14.1 more points than his average.
The rest of our team stepped on a rake offensively, and allowed Loewe/Thompson to go off for 29.
actually I don’t think my points take away from Minnesota . They played great - particularly those 2 guys (who each played out of their minds and each had career games). They deserve props
but pikes game plan did NOTHING to prevent that from happening (particularly making them play harder on both offense and defense by attacking on offense and pressing at least a little!!!) on defense .
so certainly kudos to them but pikes game plan (or lack thereof) created the stage for them to have the games they did
Should have pushed tempo the whole game against their 2-3 zone they only looked for 3 pt shots
THIS IS IRRELEVANT.
Willis made a bunch of contested shots against a good defense. Baker made a bunch of open shots against a mediocre defense. Comparing to season averages is just laziest possible analysis.
What does “get inside” mean to us when Cliff is in the game?
Once the ball is in his hands anywhere but in dunking distance, I’d say our chances of scoring are very low via some kind of low post jump hook attempt or a functional pass by him
Once the ball is in his hands anywhere but in dunking distance, I’d say our chances of scoring are very low via some kind of low post jump hook attempt or a functional pass by him
Yes, he really needs to get it together with regards to finishing inside (non dunks).
On the bright side, if he does manage to figure that out he is going to be an absolutely amazing player for us.
I was right though.
They lost to a team with key players out.
mo way to sugarcoat this one
no you weren’t. You said a few posts before that they were gonna get blown off the court
Please. You're deep in the running for worst poster on this board. If you increase your volume, I think you can get there. I have faith!
he keeps saying this yet Geo went for 25 and was 9-17/7-14, if Geo didnt get hot, one could say Minny wins this in a blowout
Willis got his but the rest of the team also shot over 50%..Flux insisting the defense was solid enough..no RU didnt play the type of defense need to harrass them and bother them and Pike didnt make any adjustment in the 2nd