Game changing calls

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Don’t blame the refs. I get it. But I’m going to vent.

1. Toppins fourth was garbage and changed the game. No way was that a foul on JT.

2. Head butt to Reeves. No way that’s a foul on AR. Changed the game.

3. “Shooting” foul on Nowell. lol. Changed the game.

4. Strip on Cason called turnover on Cason. Kid was raked and molested and no call. Big time changed the game.

There were many others that were missed, especially in first half when Oscar was getting gang banged under the basket. Old white guy was terrible entire first half, and some of second. Grab and back, it’s worked so much that coaches go to it against us because O is just able to play through it most of the time. Should fouled out their big guy in the first half with his molesting of Oscar.

Venting. Needed to get it off my chest. Lot of ******** man. I don’t like to blame refs, but the four calls above each changed the game. Throw in Casons second that sent him to the bench. We should have been up 6 or 8 to end first half, we go down 3. That was big time. Yeah, we came back and took a lead, but should have been a bigger cushion.
 

TortElvisII

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Don’t blame the refs. I get it. But I’m going to vent.

1. Toppins fourth was garbage and changed the game. No way was that a foul on JT.

2. Head butt to Reeves. No way that’s a foul on AR. Changed the game.

3. “Shooting” foul on Nowell. lol. Changed the game.

4. Strip on Cason called turnover on Cason. Kid was raked and molested and no call. Big time changed the game.

There were many others that were missed, especially in first half when Oscar was getting gang banged under the basket. Old white guy was terrible entire first half, and some of second. Grab and back, it’s worked so much that coaches go to it against us because O is just able to play through it most of the time. Should fouled out their big guy in the first half with his molesting of Oscar.

Venting. Needed to get it off my chest. Lot of ******** man. I don’t like to blame refs, but the four calls above each changed the game. Throw in Casons second that sent him to the bench. We should have been up 6 or 8 to end first half, we go down 3. That was big time. Yeah, we came back and took a lead, but should have been a bigger cushion.
I had never seen number two before in a basketball game. I have now.

It's amazing the ticky tack stuff they called at the end. I don't mean when we were fouling on purpose.

Ultimately they did hit their shots though.
 

Cats_2010

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If that headbutt occurred on a Saturday in October that's targeting. But a Sunday in March its just a basketball move. Again lack of accountability for officials will ensure this continues.
Pretty egregious foul call as reeves never touched him, kept his Arms up the whole time, avoided body contact, got head butted in the face and called for a foul. What killed me was on the review the announcers said yeah that’s just a basketball play, you have to bring your arms up at some point, and just ignored the head butt completely which was the only contact made.
 
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Pretty egregious foul call as reeves never touched him, kept his Arms up the whole time, avoided body contact, got head butted in the face and called for a foul. What killed me was on the review the announcers said yeah that’s just a basketball play, you have to bring your arms up at some point, and just ignored the head butt completely which was the only contact made.
It was completely laughable and really does not shock me because it happens to us seemingly constantly. I’m just to the point where I have to blame Cal for really pissing off the entire college basketball world. Like, he’s made his own bed, and we have to now suffer with him at the helm. Am I wrong on this?
 

ukwildcat2004

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Pretty egregious foul call as reeves never touched him, kept his Arms up the whole time, avoided body contact, got head butted in the face and called for a foul. What killed me was on the review the announcers said yeah that’s just a basketball play, you have to bring your arms up at some point, and just ignored the head butt completely which was the only contact made.

Thats a situation where I would love for the officials to explain what else was reeves supposed to do? Run away?
 

ukwildcat2004

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It was completely laughable and really does not shock me because it happens to us seemingly constantly. I’m just to the point where I have to blame Cal for really pissing off the entire college basketball world. Like, he’s made his own bed, and we have to now suffer with him at the helm. Am I wrong on this?

People say the officials hate him but why? Coach K dog cussed officials but yet still got calls. What's the difference?
 

skcatfan

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Definitely some bad calls. Although 3 is sort of overblown since he would have went to the line for a 1 and 1. He was an 88% ft shooter and pretty much automatic from the line anyway so he would have made 2 anyway .

The rest were definitely pretty bad
KState wasn’t in the bonus yet so Nowell wouldn’t have shot ft’s if they didn’t botch the call. Those two calls within 30 seconds of each other were game changing without a doubt.
 

LineSkiCat14

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I just wish they wouldn't seemingly try to hold Kentucky, Cal, or the talent back. Our post season success and wins might look a little better if they just officiated it fairly.. or heck, if we got what Duke and Kansas got, who knows what we'd look like.
 

skcatfan

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They weren’t in the bonus but it was a one and one situation . He made the first so he would have got a second free throw anyway .

I mean I guess you could say it’s more pressure on a one and one but he was making everything at that point and he shoots 88% from the line .
I’m pretty sure it was the 6th foul on UK so no ft’s if they made the correct call.
 

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Wasn't one of the refs tight with Higgins? You know these guys are in cahoots. There has to be a punishment for poor refereeing, maybe start suspending these ******** and this will stop. I've seem too many calls like this to be a coincidence, for whatever reason UK gets jobbed in the tournament all the time
 

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The refs didn’t help, but we had 5 players who contribute. When 2 of the 5 don’t show up and you turn it over 11 times in the first half, we weren’t going to beat anyone left. We got lucky K State couldn’t throw it in the ocean in the first half.
 

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You're right. We hit shots and we win despite the officials.
As I stated to my daughter during the game, we were never winning that game, whether we hit shots or not. Us hitting shots would have just resulted in more egregious officiating.

Prehaps the biggest call that hasn't been discussed yet came with 2 minutes to go in the first half. A foul was called, and they gave the foul to somebody other than Johnson who had 2 fouls already, and who was the only person who committed a foul on that play.

It isn't even necessarily about how bad calls are, but when they come. K State was realing and they take a bad shot, but the ref calls a foul to give them freethrows when nobody touched the guy. 2 of Cason's fouls were completely bogus, but one of those calls made him sit the last 4 minutes of the first half, and the other made him play less agressive in the final minutes he was out there.

Yea Kansas State made shots, and that bailed the refs out from having to make even worse calls, but it was going to happen if they hadn't made those shots.
 

Cats_2010

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Definitely some bad calls. Although 3 is sort of overblown since he would have went to the line for a 1 and 1. He was an 88% ft shooter and pretty much automatic from the line anyway so he would have made 2 anyway .

The rest were definitely pretty bad
That was either the 5th or 6th foul call on UK so he would not have shot FT’s at all. Would have been an out of bounds play which they would have gotten a layup or dunk on so either way.
 

TheDude73

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If that headbutt occurred on a Saturday in October that's targeting. But a Sunday in March its just a basketball move. Again lack of accountability for officials will ensure this continues.
That head butt was 100% on purpose. He knew what he was doing and replay after replay shows he looked at Reeves eye-to-eye and then thrust his forehead into Reeves' mouth. You'll never convince me that it was purely a basketball move. What player drives to the rim with their head first? No, they go body/shoulders, not face.
 
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TheDude73

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The officiating really was pretty bad. Some of those calls were just egregious. I don't give Cal or the team a pass on it, but it was tough to watch.
Someone last night posted an article that linked that old ref to Higgins as good friends. Creates some pretty easy speculation that the NCAA, knowing they couldn't get Higgy into that game, did the next best thing - grabbed his buddy and threw him in there.

During the game thread someone posted that I think Matt Jones said that ref was staring down Cal every time he'd make a call, just daring Cal to say something to get a T. Very, very much like Pat Adams who incites coach reactions. There's just no place in the game for that **** - those refs need to be fired.
 

TheDude73

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It was completely laughable and really does not shock me because it happens to us seemingly constantly. I’m just to the point where I have to blame Cal for really pissing off the entire college basketball world. Like, he’s made his own bed, and we have to now suffer with him at the helm. Am I wrong on this?
I don't recall it being so obvious during the Tubby or even BCG years. Granted, online gambling was not yet a thing where people could do it anonymously, so that could play a role.

I'm convinced though that refs do this to us not because of Cal, Kentucky, or the fans. They do it because of the sheer amount of $$ bet on Kentucky games. They know they can control every aspect, and they have gotten so good at it that they just giggle when they get home and transfer their Bodog winnings through their shell accounts.

Without accountability, this will only get worse. And I think it will continue to be a hot topic on Rafters well after Cal is gone.
 
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As I stated to my daughter during the game, we were never winning that game, whether we hit shots or not. Us hitting shots would have just resulted in more egregious officiating.

Prehaps the biggest call that hasn't been discussed yet came with 2 minutes to go in the first half. A foul was called, and they gave the foul to somebody other than Johnson who had 2 fouls already, and who was the only person who committed a foul on that play.

It isn't even necessarily about how bad calls are, but when they come. K State was realing and they take a bad shot, but the ref calls a foul to give them freethrows when nobody touched the guy. 2 of Cason's fouls were completely bogus, but one of those calls made him sit the last 4 minutes of the first half, and the other made him play less agressive in the final minutes he was out there.

Yea Kansas State made shots, and that bailed the refs out from having to make even worse calls, but it was going to happen if they hadn't made those shots.
100% correct on that call being given to someone other than the only player involved (Johnson). Replay confirmed it. It was insane. I told my wife that Cal was going to get T’ed up, and I think he should have went ahead and went for it. The calls were terrible and he had no recourse. I saw old white fat ref mean mugging Cal twice. He was itching to do it, but Cal backed off. Should have went at him. Cal talking up garbage calls to halftime interviewer isn’t going to help a bit, and that is what he did. He was 100% correct. But he should have just went at ref and received the T. Maybe would have lit our guys up a bit.
 

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I just wish they wouldn't seemingly try to hold Kentucky, Cal, or the talent back. Our post season success and wins might look a little better if they just officiated it fairly.. or heck, if we got what Duke and Kansas got, who knows what we'd look like.

If you had what Duke got then K State would have only been called for 3 second half fouls like TN. (As opposed to the 11 second half fouls K-State was called for.)
 
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LineSkiCat14

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If you had what Duke got then K State would have only been called for 3 second half fouls like TN. (As opposed to the 11 second half fouls K-State was called for.)

If Filipowski had a UK jersey on, he'd have been called for slopping, twice, in those early minutes lol. And that's far from the only game we've seen this happen this season.

Bad calls happen. Sometimes your guy was held and it was missed, and vice versa. What shouldn't be happening tho, is something where a player is clearly passing, gets fouled, and they give him 2 free throws when it wasn't a shooting foul.. Those are the sort of calls that really shouldn't be missed. Or goaltending against LSU. Or Grayson Allen allowed to take a game winning shot to win the game when it was a travel.
 

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Johnson got two pretty quick fouls then never got another despite hacking all game and even tripping Wallace causing him to get kneed in the head.
My favorite part about the Johnson situation was when he clearly should have picked up his third foul but the refs charged it to Nowell who made no contact and backed away from the play! Not saying it made a difference but just atrocious officiating.
 

Neue Regel

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If Filipowski had a UK jersey on, he'd have been called for slopping, twice, in those early minutes lol. And that's far from the only game we've seen this happen this season.

Bad calls happen. Sometimes your guy was held and it was missed, and vice versa. What shouldn't be happening tho, is something where a player is clearly passing, gets fouled, and they give him 2 free throws when it wasn't a shooting foul.. Those are the sort of calls that really shouldn't be missed. Or goaltending against LSU. Or Grayson Allen allowed to take a game winning shot to win the game when it was a travel.

Or a reversal of the original foul call with no time remaining that one team would have won on free throws.
 

Lempface

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The officiating really was pretty bad. Some of those calls were just egregious. I don't give Cal or the team a pass on it, but it was tough to watch.
It just makes it extra sad. As ****** as Reeves and Toppin were, you change those 4 calls and we likely still win. You can say just getm ore than 5 points from a duo that scored 40 on Friday, and I agree, but at the end of the day, an element of the game out of our hands push the scale against us just enough to sway it.
 
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Neue Regel

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You guys are so mistreated. We swept UT, btw. And we were kind of terrible.
I remember that, 81 foul shots combined by both teams. Incredible. (60 of those going to one team) the way they play that was probably about right.
 
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Don’t blame the refs. I get it. But I’m going to vent.

1. Toppins fourth was garbage and changed the game. No way was that a foul on JT.

2. Head butt to Reeves. No way that’s a foul on AR. Changed the game.

3. “Shooting” foul on Nowell. lol. Changed the game.

4. Strip on Cason called turnover on Cason. Kid was raked and molested and no call. Big time changed the game.

There were many others that were missed, especially in first half when Oscar was getting gang banged under the basket. Old white guy was terrible entire first half, and some of second. Grab and back, it’s worked so much that coaches go to it against us because O is just able to play through it most of the time. Should fouled out their big guy in the first half with his molesting of Oscar.

Venting. Needed to get it off my chest. Lot of ******** man. I don’t like to blame refs, but the four calls above each changed the game. Throw in Casons second that sent him to the bench. We should have been up 6 or 8 to end first half, we go down 3. That was big time. Yeah, we came back and took a lead, but should have been a bigger cushion.
Usually I see bad calls both ways because the refs just suck. However that game was brutal and the timing in a 1 point back and forth game killed us. How do they not go to the monitor on the clear pass, eyes looking at his teammate, arm not raised, but they give a 90% FT shooter 2 shots. That and the Cason hack called a TO were crucial kills.
 

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Someone last night posted an article that linked that old ref to Higgins as good friends….

During the game thread someone posted that I think Matt Jones said that ref was staring down Cal every time he'd make a call, just daring Cal to say something to get a T….
Here’s the Thread. In addition to being a “close friend” of Higgins, the same article notes the animosity between Pollard and Calipari, going back to Cal’s Memphis days! How can a Cal-coached team have a fair chance at any game this man officiates?

UK fans don’t want any special treatment for our team, we just want a fairly-officiated game!
 

Burly

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Got some bad calls but 2-22 from two of your main scorers
Can’t win like that