Fun player comparison

[CappyNU]

Tell me who these two NU players are, based on these stat lines from one season:

Player A: 25.2 minutes, 7.8 points, 4.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.6 blocks, 1.1 turnovers per game. eFG% of 50.0%. Season high of 17 points in one game (done twice),

Player B: 24.4 minutes, 7.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.5 turnovers per game. eFG% of 45.8%. Season high of 17 points in one game.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

I cheated so I won't say, I'm just relieved this wasn't me about to get torched by what my first guess was.

 

[ThatadultfromHolland]

I know who Player A is. Season high twice gave it away.

Player B I have two guesses both are probably wrong.

Edit: After cheating I shoulda shot my shot.

 

[SouthportCat]

Gelo and Barnheizer? Second guess is Gelo and Drew Crawford.

 

[CappyNU]

Gelo and Barnheizer? Second guess is Gelo and Drew Crawford.

Incorrect

 

[Hungry Jack]

It’s Tre and ?

 

[Smokejumper]

BB and Tre?

 

[AdamOnFirst]

BB and Tre?

I can’t imagine BB had .5 blocks. More like Drew, Coble, Brooks, somebody like that

lol it only just now occurs to me both Brooke and boo are BB

 

[Smokejumper]

I can’t imagine BB had .5 blocks. More like Drew, Coble, Brooks, somebody like that

lol it only just now occurs to me both Brooke and boo are BB

Im thinking early career brooks. General all around hustle guy with some talent around him so he didnt have to put up points…
He also suffered injuries, so the stats would reflect a partial season

 

[CappyNU]

Tre Singleton is one of the players, but no one has guessed the second yet.

 

[TheC]

Tre Singleton is one of the players, but no one has guessed the second yet.

Was it you on your middle school travel team? What a year that was.....!!

 

[SimpsonElmwood]

Ciravino?

 

[Purple Pete]

Reid?

 

[AdamOnFirst]

Tre Singleton is one of the players, but no one has guessed the second yet.

I'm going to cheat now because nobody is getting it.

A is Tre Singleton, B is Freshman year Vic Law.

Interesting comparison for a variety of reasons, but one of the best reasons is "would I be happy if Tre Singleton became Vic Law?" And honestly I'm not sure. Law had a very nice career and was a good all around player, but he basically never got much better or more efficient offensively after his sophomore year and was never more than an okay shooter. If he'd become even a pretty good shooter he'd have been a big star and all conference type guy. He was always the third best player on a decent, just-off-the-bubble type tourney team. I think this early in both of their careers were were/are hoping for more outright stardom from both players.

But yeah, similar prospects, profiles, builds, etc. I think Singleton is more natural and smooth scoring and with the ball, but maybe not.

 

[Hungry Jack]

Tre is more gifted offensively than Law, who was athletic but raw.

 

[SDakaGordie]

Only our two highest-ranked recruits ever…hard to really take issue with either. Law has gone on to a fine pro career overseas. Excellent defender. Definitely not our third best player. When Tre starts hitting more than 20% of his threes, then he’ll have a leg up on Law.

 

[Kat burglar]

Vic Law was the shutdown defender of every teams best player. The guy was spent from defense and rested on offense. His role was cutting the opponents best player's offense in half, not being a volume scorer. When he went to the pros (G league) and didn't have to defend as much he regularly scored 20-30. In the early Collins days, you played a role, not necessarily what showcased your abilities. If you are just looking at offense in the box score, you are missing the value. Nothing against Singleton. I think he has a high ceiling. but comparing the two is difficult due to the different roles.

 

[CappyNU]

Yeah, honestly I was just struck by how similar their stat lines were that I wanted to do this. The biggest difference was that Vic was a much better shooter from distance, to the point that I was shocked to see how awful his 2 point shooting percentage was. For his career against top-50 competition, Vic shot 35% from 2 and 39% from 3. In comparison, Tre is shooting 60% from 2, but just 18% from 3.

 

[ThatadultfromHolland]

Vic’s offensive ceiling at NU wasn't quite hit because he never fully unlocked his driving game. For a guy with his athletic profile, you kept waiting for that downhill pressure to become a staple. The three ball was solid, he did not need the ball to be effective, and he thrived as a secondary scorer who understood spacing and timing. Offensively he was clean and connective without being ball dominant. And defensively he was elite, the kind of wing who could tilt a game without scoring. He didn’t play with an ego at all.

The closeness of the stat lines honestly caught me off guard, even though Law was my second guess for stat line B. Barnhizer was my first instinct. When talking about Tre earlier this season, I framed his ceiling as a more athletic, bigger Barnhizer, someone who can defend, rebound, initiate, and score in different pockets of the floor. I do not think he is the pure athlete that Law was in space, but he looks more natural around the rim and his frame is closer to Brooks than Law. He is a strong body. He is comfortable handling it, and long term I think he trends more ball dominant than Law ever was, with real potential to run offense the way Barnhizer could. Not just finish plays, but initiate and control them. Obviously Barnhizer is a lofty target but I’m talking ceilings here.

 

[LathamLad]

You started a fine thread, Cappy.

 

[clarificationcat]

Vic Law was the shutdown defender of every teams best player. The guy was spent from defense and rested on offense. His role was cutting the opponents best player's offense in half, not being a volume scorer. When he went to the pros (G league) and didn't have to defend as much he regularly scored 20-30. In the early Collins days, you played a role, not necessarily what showcased your abilities. If you are just looking at offense in the box score, you are missing the value. Nothing against Singleton. I think he has a high ceiling. but comparing the two is difficult due to the different roles.

Great post. I see Law as a 3 and Singleton as a 4. Law was much faster than Tre but Tre already has a B1G build. Law was very skinny when he was a freshman. Law had no post game and struggled to finish at the basket but he could come off screens and hit 3’s like Berry. He was an also great rebounder for a 3. Averaged over 6 rebounds a game his senior year. McIntosh struggled to guard quicker guards so Law would guard the other team’s quickest player. Singleton will never do that.

I have seen highlights of his professional games and he finally figured out how to finish at the rim. Lots of baskets inside the paint.