Fun Friday evening discussion

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

It's obvious to everyone outside of Oxford, and a few inside, that UM football has it's nuts on a stump and the NCAA has a 10 lb hammer drawn back and ready to swing. But here is something to ponder.

What drove UM over the edge to just go full retard with cheating to the point there is no question the house of cards would fall at some point? There was no easing into it, when the ball got rolling it went straight down hill. Was it having past coaches in place that pushed back and Freeze was hired with the caveat that he assemble a staff that is complacent with blatant cheating? Was it an ego contest of some folks buying players and bragging about it so others had to get in on it? Was it just Freezus' plan from the day he hit the ground?

My thoughts on the origin. It was Mississippi State. No. not for questioning a flip at the US Army game after it was found out that there had been loaner Range Rovers and a Cannon Deal waiting him the first day of summer school. Not for filling up the inbox of UM's compliance email with tips after signing day. It was one simple thing that chapped their asses from the first time it was muttered. what was it?





















"This is Our State"

it was was put on billboards close to Oxford, at the interstate highways entering the state, south of Tupelo, and several other places. UM decided to dip the toe into cheating by giving ole CJ a loaner Range Rover and then a full fledged cannon deal his first day at UM after three straight drubbings in the EB. But it wasn't enough. "This is Our State" was prominently displayed throughout the state after those three drubbings and the UM fan base watching MSU smoke Michigan in the Gator. Well it will turn around. Right? Here comes 2012. UM catches MSU off guard to get to ****** Birmingham while State parties in Nashville. "This is Our State". Well things are getting closer right? Well wait a min.. they did sign a mediocre class on paper in 12. Cue 2013.

Nikoe Whitley embarrasses Bo in the Endzone in his prone position and what is on the Jumbotron? "This is Our State". MSU goes back to sunny Florida while UM gets to be be so yesterday in Nashville.

They snapped. They put it on the table and went nuts after that. They blame MSU for their woes by interviews from Lewis for their trouble. It was MSU all right. But only because "This is Our State" and they wanted it back.

They got it... for a couple of years. But it cost them dearly for those couple of years. Now it's 55-20, State is bowling again, and they are getting scoped by the NCAA, they are on a coaching skeleton crew, and have a recruiting class that you have to hit "next Page" to find.

Hey bitches. Move closer.. in a lil more.. listen closely....


This is Our State

 

[codeDawg]

Honestly I think they thought the NCAA had lost their nuts and that by moving all the cheating into a booster network they could just deflect all the trouble to rouges.

What they didn't count on was not being experienced enough to know when to reign it in and how to keep people quiet.

See Tunsil and Miller. Auburn would have Miller living in style somewhere. You gotta pay more than the player to play the big boy game.

 

[Shmuley]

The shitheads 17d with the wrong programs (Bama, UGA). It's that simple. The NCAA does not give a **** about Mississippi State.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

I remember thinking in 2010 that they might go away, and that we might have enough momentum to get us over the top for a prolonged period of time. Right up and through the Gator Bowl that year I thought things may have really changed. Then, the earth shifted. Hudspeth and Diaz, left, and a recruit hemorrhage occurred. We looked past it....because....well....we were blinded. After 2011 we slit their throat and we thought they were done. Most people made fun of Freeze, but I knew better. I knew they were desperate, and I knew Freeze had won everywhere he went, and I knew he was passionate about Ole Miss.

They did their thing for 3 years, and beat us most everywhere, including Dak's senior night. But now we stand at another junction point. I don't know that even desperate Ole Miss crazies can withstand this storm. They got through the Dog Brewer stuff, so they are resilient. It's really up to us more than anything. Are we ready to capitalize?

 

[preacher_dawg]

I also think the whole TSUN drove them crazy. "Who does this Yankee think he is? Why, we're Ole Miss, nestled in Oxford, the jewel of the South?"

One other question, maybe for another thread. Do you think Mullen realized that this would eventually come back to bite them, and he just needed to be patient, and we would be back to dominating the State again? As long as we played the game the right way?

 

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

I remember thinking in 2010 that they might go away, and that we might have enough momentum to get us over the top for a prolonged period of time. Right up and through the Gator Bowl that year I thought things may have really changed. Then, the earth shifted. Hudspeth and Diaz, left, and a recruit hemorrhage occurred. We looked past it....because....well....we were blinded. After 2011 we slit their throat and we thought they were done. Most people made fun of Freeze, but I knew better. I knew they were desperate, and I knew Freeze had won everywhere he went, and I knew he was passionate about Ole Miss.

They did their thing for 3 years, and beat us most everywhere, including Dak's senior night. But now we stand at another junction point. I don't know that even desperate Ole Miss crazies can withstand this storm. They got through the Dog Brewer stuff, so they are resilient. It's really up to us more than anything. Are we ready to capitalize?

Good question. I hope so.

 

[mount lefroy]

The miami ncaa disaster. Essentially everyone thought that after that and the fact that slive was protecting sec schools like auburn that it was open season. Whatever penalties could be mitigated ir survived.

Our rise also pushed some of them over the edge, but i feel that was just an aggravating circumstance.

It just seemed like an opportune moment and frankly, what did they have to lose? 4 years of mediocrity? Good trade for a sugar bowl and a shot at atlanta.

Only thing is, atlanta never happened. And state achieved higher. They had to share the spotlight with us as the second team.

Once the snowball started, there was no stopping it. The inmates run that assylum now. There will be a complete purge due to sanctions or this will be the same situation 6-7 years from now.

 

[tatedog]

Don't discount the role Camgate played in all this. It made them think a) the NCAA is easy to fool and b) daily double if Mississippi State is the party being screwed over.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

I think it was like the old FX show The Shield. Aceveda wanted results, he got Vic Macky and the Strike Team, the 1st time that the Strike Team had to plant evidence to bust a criminal it was easy but still a moral dilemma. But it was so easy and worked so well that it became routine for the Strike Team to go completely crooked and ultimately destroy themselves.

Bjork was like Aceveda, he got Rev. Freezus Christ (Vic). I think the 1st time Freeze cheated to get a recruit was a moral dilemma, but then other 5 Star recruits started hearing about the $ from Ole Miss and they wanted to visit Oxford. It became too tempting & too easy for Freeze to get a bunch of 5 Stars, so he did.

At the end Vic Macky lost the Strike Team and and his family but got off with a deal for himself.

Right now we see the Ole Miss Coaching Staff breaking up (like the Strike Team) but Freeze will survive it...for now.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

There was one clear event that started them down this path. It was when Dan Mullen went to Oxford in 2010, won the game, and declared, "We are never losing to this team again." That's what sent them over the edge. Because they truly believed that unless they went all in, Dan was speaking the truth.

 

[preacher_dawg]

Hmmmm, the Shield was on my list of shows to watch, guess I don't have to now.

 

[The Peeper]

UGA?

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Sorry...still well worth watching. Just like the Ole Miss meltdown will be worth watching too, even though we seem to already know the ending.

 

[preacher_dawg]

Oh that's OK, actually helps a little in narrowing down shows that I don't have time to watch, but I still might watch it later.

 

[tatedog]

UGA?

Mark Richt came down with a severe case of Tunsilitis in 2013.

 

[Perpetual Underachiever]

UGA?

Read up on Michael F. Adams... Former UGA Chancellor, current Pepperdine Chancellor, and current member of the NCAA Committee on Infractions. He was the Chancellor at UGA during the Tunsil signing class, and was highly involved with UGA athletics. He retired from UGA in June 2013, and accepted a position on the NCAA Committee of Infractions in August 2013

http://www.redandblack.com/uganews/...cle_b7dda578-fad6-11e2-b6fb-001a4bcf6878.html

He will serve on the NCAA COI through August 2017. Needless to say, Chancellor Adams is not a friend of the Black Bears.

 

[57stratdawg]

When they watched David Cutcliff "waste" Eli Manning's career something told them it was time for a change. They brought in Orgeron to get things running. It's been over a decade now of academic fraud, momma getting new jobs, burner cell phones and landing talent.

Sounds like the party is over though.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Rabbi, I think you misunderstood

his question. I interpreted him to be asking why OM decided to go all out and start cheating their asses off, not why they got caught. In that, I believe he's 100% correct, that us whipping their *** and rubbing it in, led them to go full speed ahead and do whatever it took to reverse the course.

It's funny, because they accuse us of being obsessed, yet they sold their soul to the devil in order to pass us by.

 

[Shmuley]

Agree. I misunderstood the post to be about what got them caught and, more importantly, what ... or, rather, who ... will be primarily responsible for why their program is going to get a NCAA version of a hot beef injection right up that pink bow-tied ******** ********. Stealing a couple of recruits from Miss State gets you a wink and nod. Stealing recruits from the conference royalty gets you a 4+ year cavity search. Enjoy shitheads.

 

[Drebin]

I think the most important part of this that's not specifically called out here...

They cheated their asses off because they were in a jealous rage from losing to their "little brother" three years in a row and had to look at "This is Our State" banners everywhere. So they went ALL IN. In going ALL IN, they landed a huge recruiting class and achieved heights they had never before achieved in the modern era of football. The problem with that? They were still looking up at State in the rankings. In all of their bravado about a Sugar Bowl, great recruiting classes, and beating Bama twice, we were also going to Orange Bowls, achieving #1 rankings, an the like. So they had to push the envelope even further.

The understated thing about this NCAA investigation: Sure, they are going to get pounded for the Saunders stuff that happened under Nutt. Sure, they are going to get pounded for the Tunsil stuff. But more than that....they are going to get pounded for stuff they did during THE CURRENT RECRUITING CYCLE. They just can't help themselves.

With all their cheating, they pulled even with us at best. Like any deal with the devil, it's time to pay the price. Sugar bowl, gone. Bama wins, gone. Crippling probation, inability to compete in recruiting and on the field, and the better part of a decade in obscurity is on the way. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

 

[missouridawg]

There was one clear event that started them down this path. It was when Dan Mullen went to Oxford in 2010, won the game, and declared, "We are never losing to this team again." That's what sent them over the edge. Because they truly believed that unless they went all in, Dan was speaking the truth.

It was Keenum who said that... but he was standing right beside Dan and holding the Golden Egg.

 

[KurtRambis4]

No doubt.

I really hate it for them. They seem like a really swell group.****

 

[Hoover Dawg]

It was Keenum who said that... but he was standing right beside Dan and holding the Golden Egg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwinaLmHBr8

 

[AssEndDawg]

The miami ncaa disaster. Essentially everyone thought that after that and the fact that slive was protecting sec schools like auburn that it was open season. Whatever penalties could be mitigated ir survived.

I think this is very important. At the time the NCAA looked weak and a lot of people were discussing if the NCAA would even be around in another few years. I distinctly remember talking to a friend of mine at the University of Memphis and telling him they should cheat their asses off because the NCAA wouldn't do anything and the split between the haves and the have nots was coming and they needed to do whatever they could to be on the right side of that chasm when it formed. At the time Ole Miss started cheating it seemed highly improbable that the NCAA would actually grow a pair of balls and change the enforcement division to give it even more teeth.

I agree that it was the win in Oxford, the "we are never losing to this team again", and the "This is our State" stuff that stirred the pot. Ole Miss rolled the dice. Brought in a no name coach that would turn a blind eye and they started cheating their asses off. But you can only turn a blind eye for so long before it permeates the team and then you are ALL IN. Even though they had a couple of decent years, if the hammer does come down it will have all been worth it.

 

[Big Sheep81]

It goes back to Jerrel Powe. They were getting ACT tests gun decked and paying expenses and players like crazy. Powe stayed rent free in a 2 story house in oxford. He and others had tuition paid at Hargrave. Plane tickets, vehicles, you name it. And Powe was just one of many. David Saunders was the guy Farrar took over for.

It it was simply they were getting away with it. These other things may have speeded it up but it was all based on the belief there was no day of reckoning.

"His judgement cometh, and that right quickly."

 

[Digging dog]

Mullen's exocentric personality toward OM (TSUN) backed by 3 consecutive EB wins lit the fuse.