Frost offensive schemep

[Husker Red 182]

To me this offense appears to have way more issues than qb. Honestly I didn’t see that much difference between an offense run by Luke or Adrian. Still a senseless turnover. I like Luke’s energy and the tempo he plays with. However I do have concerns as passer.
Bigger concern lack of playmakers at receiver, conservative play calling, and lack of pass protection. I am more concerned about that

 

[Headcard]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

 

[RedCap_rivals330392]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

I do think that is the biggest problem. No down field passing ability makes the offense way too predictable. Not the only issue but by far the biggest IMO. Receivers may be inexperienced but if you can't get the ball to them it wouldn't make any difference if they were NFL experienced receivers.

If this offense only had a talent at QB like a Fields, it would be a hugely different story.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace_rivals38755]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

Yep.

If I were Frosty, I'd go back to the first 8th grade football practice and have a throwing contest.

"Alriiiiiight.....whoever can throw this pigskin the farthest gets to play quarterback....HUTMACHER!!!!.....you're up!"

 

[Husker Red 182]

I do think that is the biggest problem. No down field passing ability makes the offense way too predictable. Not the only issue but by far the biggest IMO. Receivers may be inexperienced but if you can't get the ball to them it wouldn't make any difference if they were NFL experienced receivers.

If this offense only had a talent at QB like a Fields, it would be a hugely different story.

I don’t think our offense would be that much better with burrow last year or with fields this year. Qbs are running for their life way too much and wr have not exactly gotten much separation

 

[Laner2]

I don’t think our offense would be that much better with burrow last year or with fields this year. Qbs are running for their life way too much and wr have not exactly gotten much separation

When I glanced at the thread title I first thought is said Frost Offensive Shemp.

 

[steinek11]

To me this offense appears to have way more issues than qb. Honestly I didn’t see that much difference between an offense run by Luke or Adrian. Still a senseless turnover. I like Luke’s energy and the tempo he plays with. However I do have concerns as passer.
Bigger concern lack of playmakers at receiver, conservative play calling, and lack of pass protection. I am more concerned about that

Frost better figure out a way to loosen up defenses because we are entirely too predictable. Gonna be difficult to get points and sustain drives.

 

[Crazyhole]

His entire scheme is based on stressing out the safeties. Right now that isnt a problem because we don't have a downfield threat. That has more to do with not having enough receivers with speed than the qb being able to deliver the ball. Its extremely important for us to get Betts, Brown, and hopefully Manning all up and going.

 

[Sporty]

Disagree if you want but our problems are not the players on the field but the play calling was one of total playing not to lose in the second half yesterday.

 

[HominidHusker]

His entire scheme is based on stressing out the safeties. Right now that isnt a problem because we don't have a downfield threat. That has more to do with not having enough receivers with speed than the qb being able to deliver the ball. Its extremely important for us to get Betts, Brown, and hopefully Manning all up and going.

We’ve got plenty of WRs with speed: Nance, Houston, Robinson, Fleming, Betts, Brown (Manning). The one common denominator is all but one are not coached up to play. Fleming got snaps, so why can’t we stretch the field with him and Wandale?
Sirles gave a great breakdown of a play against NW where Wandale was open deep if QB would have done his job and delivered an on-time confident throw. Or could have looked off the middle safety to either side and had WR either left or right. QB ability and pass pro are concerns, but to me it all boils down to coaching.

 

[oldjar07]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

Do we even try? Can hardly tell if our QB's can throw it downfield or not because we haven't even tried it.

 

[orclover11]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

I disagree, this offense requires a short passing game because it has a relatively stripped down zone read game. The short passing game takes pressure off of the run game, limits qb contact, and spreads the defense out and wears them down....but...it requires good timing between qb and wr, and great blocking by wr and lineman...especially in their ability to get downfield. Both qbs struggle with their timing, at making crisp clean passes to the exterior, and our blocking on the outside is mediocre when our walkons are in, and non-existent when the younger, less experienced guys are in. That means we have to rely heavily on the run game, which we aren't built to do...and we have to use the qb too often...which has lead to injuries and ball security issues. The deep game feeds off of the sucking safeties in the box to play the screen and exterior passing game. This offense actually works somewhat similar to the WCO...it should have extremely high completion %, with easy rhythm passes for the qb, and then a qb hit to the TE for big yardage when the d sucks up on the screens. Mix in the zone read, and single back running game for balance. We just don't have the personnel...because we really have one playmaker in wandale and then whichever qb is playing. UCF had an all-conference TE, WE, RB, and QB.

We don't have a short passing game...so we are running on early downs...we don't have a running game so we are 3rd and long too often, and neither qb can hit covered receivers on 3rd and long with no pass protection. I bet if we can get a few more yards on exterior passing...get to 2nd and 3rd and short, then use zone read/play action we will suddenly have guys open. Right now everything is broken and relies on pure athletic ability or broken plays for yardage.

 

[Redscarlet]

Orclover, We don’t give a $&it what you think or your opinions.

 

[phoenix4nu]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

I agree with this. Until we have a quarterback who can throw downfield when needed, we will have problems on offense.

 

[Husker Red 182]

I disagree, this offense requires a short passing game because it has a relatively stripped down zone read game. The short passing game takes pressure off of the run game, limits qb contact, and spreads the defense out and wears them down....but...it requires good timing between qb and wr, and great blocking by wr and lineman...especially in their ability to get downfield. Both qbs struggle with their timing, at making crisp clean passes to the exterior, and our blocking on the outside is mediocre when our walkons are in, and non-existent when the younger, less experienced guys are in. That means we have to rely heavily on the run game, which we aren't built to do...and we have to use the qb too often...which has lead to injuries and ball security issues. The deep game feeds off of the sucking safeties in the box to play the screen and exterior passing game. This offense actually works somewhat similar to the WCO...it should have extremely high completion %, with easy rhythm passes for the qb, and then a qb hit to the TE for big yardage when the d sucks up on the screens. Mix in the zone read, and single back running game for balance. We just don't have the personnel...because we really have one playmaker in wandale and then whichever qb is playing. UCF had an all-conference TE, WE, RB, and QB.

We don't have a short passing game...so we are running on early downs...we don't have a running game so we are 3rd and long too often, and neither qb can hit covered receivers on 3rd and long with no pass protection. I bet if we can get a few more yards on exterior passing...get to 2nd and 3rd and short, then use zone read/play action we will suddenly have guys open. Right now everything is broken and relies on pure athletic ability or broken plays for yardage.

I like ur analysis. Any idea why we don’t do the outside zone play which seemed to work well at end of last season?

 

[Crazyhole]

I like ur analysis. Any idea why we don’t do the outside zone play which seemed to work well at end of last season?

At the end of last season, defenses were attacking our guards and center pretty heavily because they pretty much sucked. It gave us the opportunity to tie up defenders inside and get the ball to the sideline where we had some space and hopefully some numbers. It was less of an attack than it was a response to our weaknesses.

 

[Rick.Shaw1]

To me this offense appears to have way more issues than qb. Honestly I didn’t see that much difference between an offense run by Luke or Adrian. Still a senseless turnover. I like Luke’s energy and the tempo he plays with. However I do have concerns as passer.
Bigger concern lack of playmakers at receiver, conservative play calling, and lack of pass protection. I am more concerned about that

I think AM and Luke both have things to work on. That said I think they are Neb’s top 2 offensive playmakers (I personally have Robinson at #3). We are where we are. More talent and depth needed.

 

[Redscarlet]

I like ur analysis. Any idea why we don’t do the outside zone play which seemed to work well at end of last season?

Why you asking this tard
He is political honk.

 

[Husker Sledge]

I think AM and Luke both have things to work on. That said I think they are Neb’s top 2 offensive playmakers (I personally have Robinson at #3). We are where we are. More talent and depth needed.

AM has had 3 years to work on things. If he can't throw the ball down field by now he ain't gonna.

 

[NUSouth]

I don’t think our offense would be that much better with burrow last year or with fields this year. Qbs are running for their life way too much and wr have not exactly gotten much separation

This post hit the problem on the head as soon as our QB get the ball they are under pressure and have to start scrambling they have maybe 2 seconds which is not enough time to get The Flash downfield. If our QB got as much time as our opponent QB get the offense would look a lot better

 

[Crazyhole]

AM has had 3 years to work on things. If he can't throw the ball down field by now he ain't gonna.

He didn't have a problem throwing downfield when he had Morgan and Speilman.

 

[TheBeav815]

I think Luke's feet and his decision making aggressiveness are a better fit for the QB run game. But he looks like a Redshirt Freshman with a lot of talent. I think he's a guy you have to give one or two reads on a pass patterns because if you just dial up a play with 4 or 5 choices he's going to stare a guy down and throw a dangerous ball.

I think he also is a kid who doesn't ever quit on a play, which is sometimes great and other times you go, "WTF were you thinking???" Tons of athleticism and fire but risks of sloppy of foolish execution at times.

My overall opinion of him hasn't changed, he's an athlete playing QB. Great Osborne QB, I dunno how he projects in today's game because of the mental side of the passing game.

Martinez has the upside that you want for this system but he's got a mental block choking his potential. Martinez is a passer who can hurt you with his legs in theory. In actuality the last two years he's been neither a passer nor a runner.

 

[leodisflowers]

I think Luke's feet and his decision making aggressiveness are a better fit for the QB run game. But he looks like a Redshirt Freshman with a lot of talent. I think he's a guy you have to give one or two reads on a pass patterns because if you just dial up a play with 4 or 5 choices he's going to stare a guy down and throw a dangerous ball.

I think he also is a kid who doesn't ever quit on a play, which is sometimes great and other times you go, "WTF were you thinking???" Tons of athleticism and fire but risks of sloppy of foolish execution at times.

My overall opinion of him hasn't changed, he's an athlete playing QB. Great Osborne QB, I dunno how he projects in today's game because of the mental side of the passing game.

Martinez has the upside that you want for this system but he's got a mental block choking his potential. Martinez is a passer who can hurt you with his legs in theory. In actuality the last two years he's been neither a passer nor a runner.

It is sad to watch when he had it going as a freshman what he can do. Made some great throws and well as seemed to just know when to exit the pocket and take off. No sure what the hell happened, but something went haywire in his dome.

 

[phoenix4nu]

I think Luke's feet and his decision making aggressiveness are a better fit for the QB run game. But he looks like a Redshirt Freshman with a lot of talent. I think he's a guy you have to give one or two reads on a pass patterns because if you just dial up a play with 4 or 5 choices he's going to stare a guy down and throw a dangerous ball.

I think he also is a kid who doesn't ever quit on a play, which is sometimes great and other times you go, "WTF were you thinking???" Tons of athleticism and fire but risks of sloppy of foolish execution at times.

My overall opinion of him hasn't changed, he's an athlete playing QB. Great Osborne QB, I dunno how he projects in today's game because of the mental side of the passing game.

Martinez has the upside that you want for this system but he's got a mental block choking his potential. Martinez is a passer who can hurt you with his legs in theory. In actuality the last two years he's been neither a passer nor a runner.

Neither one of them may be the answer. That's why Frost should be willing to taking a transfer quarterback after this season and another quarterback recruit in this class. But I doubt that he does either.

 

[Lars72_rivals313832]

When I glanced at the thread title I first thought is said Frost Offensive Shemp.

Shemp & Curly Howard were great. Joe Besser & Curly Joe, not so much.

 

[dinglefritz]

His entire scheme is based on stressing out the safeties. Right now that isnt a problem because we don't have a downfield threat. That has more to do with not having enough receivers with speed than the qb being able to deliver the ball. Its extremely important for us to get Betts, Brown, and hopefully Manning all up and going.

nailed it.

 

[dinglefritz]

I think Luke's feet and his decision making aggressiveness are a better fit for the QB run game. But he looks like a Redshirt Freshman with a lot of talent.
Martinez has the upside that you want for this system but he's got a mental block choking his potential. Martinez is a passer who can hurt you with his legs in theory. In actuality the last two years he's been neither a passer nor a runner.

The best analogy I can think of for what Martinez's problem is that he's got the yips. He's seen so many mistakes in the film room where he should have gone to a different receiver that he's constantly second guessing himself.

 

[salsa red]

Is McCaffrey basically Crouch?

 

[catch54]

I totally disagree. I think mostly all of our problems come from our QB’s inability to throw the ball downfield accurately. We are trying to run against stacked boxes, trying to throw short routes against tight coverage, because teams know our QB’s can’t throw downfield with any accuracy.

I would much rather have a offense where the QB was not an integral part of the running game. I like 6'3 or 6'4 QB's with arm strength and accuracy and the intangibles.

 

[jbskers]

Is McCaffrey basically Crouch?

yes.... only not as good a runner, a weaker arm and no heisman trophy to go with it

 

[jbskers]

I would much rather have a offense where the QB was not an integral part of the running game. I like 6'3 or 6'4 QB's with arm strength and accuracy and the intangibles.

with our o- line height, he better be 6'5 or 6'6

 

[Crazyhole]

Is McCaffrey basically Crouch?

As weird as it sounds, thats my fear.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

The best analogy I can think of for what Martinez's problem is that he's got the yips. He's seen so many mistakes in the film room where he should have gone to a different receiver that he's constantly second guessing himself.

It's the QB coach, paralysis by analysis.

 

[Laner2]

Shemp & Curly Howard were great. Joe Besser & Curly Joe, not so much.

Joe Besser sucked bath salts.

 

[salsa red]

I would much rather have a offense where the QB was not an integral part of the running game. I like 6'3 or 6'4 QB's with arm strength and accuracy and the intangibles.

Tanner Lee?

 

[catch54]

Tanner Lee?

Over this offense yes. Lee's number were pretty good. Three games in, after two full years in and we're getting worse.

 

[chipotlehusker]

Orclover, We don’t give a $&it what you think or your opinions.

Kidding, right! I sure do like his commentary....

 

[chipotlehusker]

Why you asking this tard
He is political honk.

yeah, I thought you said that because you know he doesn't support the Cheeto man....Get off it and support his excellent Husker football analysis....what's wrong with you Scarlet man?

 

[Rcnut223]

I disagree, this offense requires a short passing game because it has a relatively stripped down zone read game. The short passing game takes pressure off of the run game, limits qb contact, and spreads the defense out and wears them down....but...it requires good timing between qb and wr, and great blocking by wr and lineman...especially in their ability to get downfield. Both qbs struggle with their timing, at making crisp clean passes to the exterior, and our blocking on the outside is mediocre when our walkons are in, and non-existent when the younger, less experienced guys are in. That means we have to rely heavily on the run game, which we aren't built to do...and we have to use the qb too often...which has lead to injuries and ball security issues. The deep game feeds off of the sucking safeties in the box to play the screen and exterior passing game. This offense actually works somewhat similar to the WCO...it should have extremely high completion %, with easy rhythm passes for the qb, and then a qb hit to the TE for big yardage when the d sucks up on the screens. Mix in the zone read, and single back running game for balance. We just don't have the personnel...because we really have one playmaker in wandale and then whichever qb is playing. UCF had an all-conference TE, WE, RB, and QB.

We don't have a short passing game...so we are running on early downs...we don't have a running game so we are 3rd and long too often, and neither qb can hit covered receivers on 3rd and long with no pass protection. I bet if we can get a few more yards on exterior passing...get to 2nd and 3rd and short, then use zone read/play action we will suddenly have guys open. Right now everything is broken and relies on pure athletic ability or broken plays for yardage.

And the lack of gamers at these positions is who’s fault? Riley ? Pelini? No ....ding ding ding , it’s Frosts

 

[Rcnut223]

Is McCaffrey basically Crouch?

Yes