Frost Interview Notes

[davecisar]

I thought Frost was a super good coach? Why would a super good coach need more than 3 years to turn things around to be better than Riley?

I tried explaining it to you
Here goes again

Riley got the keys to a nice Toyota
The keys he gave Frost are for a beaten up Dodge Dart or AMC Gremlin

MUCH different starting points- mean different expectations and time lines

Again lets take it to the logical extreme
Team A hasnt had a winning season in 20 years
Team B had won 10 games in all of the last 20 years

If a new coach took over team A- he would have a different win and turnaround timeline than the fella that took over Team B- does that help?

 

[huskerfan1414]

I thought Frost was a super good coach? Why would a super good coach need more than 3 years to turn things around to be better than Riley?

Wrong. Those people are calling out the double standards from posters like you. There's a difference between than and what you're trying to claim.

But the double standards arent true. At all.

 

[HuskerO58]

I know the game
I never got behind Riley because I knew the game- and what it took to win in the BIG and at Nebraska- I was 100% right- ended up just like I said it would

Im not the foam finger 11 year old kid whose gone to 7 games in his life and never played or read a newspaper

Frost is going to win here
He is going to show consistent progress- not the nonsense/lameness/absolute incompetence we saw under Riley
He is going to be winning Division Titles by year 4 and competing for League Titles in year 5

You keep bringing up Riley like if Frost does better than him then you'll be vindicated. Sorry champ but you're not. Everyone expects and believes Frost will do much much better than Riley. Even the "Riley lovers".

He is going to be winning Division Titles by year 4

Too bad you think so little of Frost's ability.

 

[HuskerO58]

But the double standards arent true. At all.

They aren't true or there have been no double standard on this board when comparing coaches?

 

[davecisar]

You keep bringing up Riley like if Frost does better than him then you'll be vindicated. Sorry champ but you're not. Everyone expects and believes Frost will do much much better than Riley. Even the "Riley lovers".

Too bad you think so little of Frost's ability.

Yeah
You are great at predicting how teams will do

How in the world can you even voice an opinion after how awful your predictions on Riley went?

Maybe you should change your handle or be like Tuco and just say you were just “kidding” the last 3 years

I bring up Riley because where we are at is because of him
And when someone tries to predict outcomes we have to have a starting point and a frame of reference or two

Your man was the worst coach here in 56 years
You chose very poorly
End of story
Move on and quit defending him

I’m not 11 year old foam finger guy
I know the abyss we are in thanks to smilin mike and what it’s going to take to get back to 10-11 win seasons

Maybe you could learn something this time around

 

[Ewooc]

I thought Frost was a super good coach? Why would a super good coach need more than 3 years to turn things around to be better than Riley?

Unfortunately this isn't a black and white issue. I doubt Saban or any top level coach could come in here and turn this thing around in less than 3 years. The team Frost is inheriting is in a world of hurt worse compared to what Riley was hired into. At that time we thought is was bad. Little did we know Riley could make it much worse.
I also think if Frost is in the same boat as Riley, 4 win season, teams giving up, getting worse year 1 to year 3. He probably should have the same fate as Riley. We also shouldn't be expecting a BIG10 title year 2 or 3.

 

[HuskerO58]

How in the world can you even voice an opinion after how awful your predictions on Riley went?

What were my predictions when Riley got here?

 

[davecisar]

Yeah
You are great at predicting how teams will do

How in the world can you even voice an opinion after how awful your predictions on Riley went?

I bring up Riley because where we are at is because of him
And when someone tries to predict outcomes we have to have a starting point and a frame of reference or two

What were my predictions when Riley got here?

You’ve backed him to the bitter end and well well well past that

Certainly you wouldn’t have aggressively backed someone to the bitter end that you knew would fail

I knew he would fail- I showed statistically why MRs approach would NEVER win in the BIG
Went to the games= kept my tickets- clapped for the team- not the coaching staff
Politely bit my tongue after proclaiming my displeasure for hiring an old .500 WCO guy
Then after allowing for a mulligan in year 1- pulled back on the short leash as things continued to trend to Rileys historic mean- football that could never win in the BIG- in a polite and factual way until all the info came out on how lazy, uncommitted, incompetent and then unscrupulous Riley really was.

 

[HuskerO58]

You’ve backed him to the bitter end and well well well past that

Certainly you wouldn’t have aggressively backed someone to the bitter end that you knew would fail

I knew he would fail- I showed statistically why MRs approach would NEVER win in the BIG
Went to the games= kept my tickets- clapped for the team- not the coaching staff
Politely bit my tongue after proclaiming my displeasure for hiring an old .500 WCO guy
Then after allowing for a mulligan in year 1- pulled back on the short leash as things continued to trend to Rileys historic mean- football that could never win in the BIG- in a polite and factual way until all the info came out on how lazy, uncommitted, incompetent and then unscrupulous Riley really was.

You do a very good job throwing **** against the wall and when you're called out on it you do everything but answer the direct question at hand.

 

[HuskerO58]

Unfortunately this isn't a black and white issue. I doubt Saban or any top level coach could come in here and turn this thing around in less than 3 years..

We heard what an amazing job Frost did by turning around a crappy program in UCF. When it was brought up that UCF, as a program, was actually pretty good (they had just one really bad year) we were told that was hogwash and that UCF sucked and what Frost did was a miracle.

Now all of a sudden he's going to struggle turning around the Nebraska program?

The team Frost is inheriting is in a world of hurt worse compared to what Riley was hired into.

Sorry, I can't agree here. Frost won't have to deal with toxicity in the locker room like what Riley had to deal with. Oh, but that was Riley's fault because he couldn't get the players to buy into him, but now it won't be Frost's fault (but rather Riley's fault) if our players don't buy into Frost.

Frost is inheriting a much better group of players than what Riley did. I can't remember, how many walk-ons did Nebraska have to start vs Ohio St in 2016? How many players got drafted last year and how many will get drafted this year?

I also think if Frost is in the same boat as Riley, 4 win season, teams giving up, getting worse year 1 to year 3. He probably should have the same fate as Riley.

This makes sense & would be fair, but I've always believed in giving a coach 4-5 years. Fortunately this won't happen, but if Frost has identical results as Riley in years 1-3 I won't be calling for Frost to be fired. I'll be calling for Frost to get another 1-2 years, just like I was with Riley.

We also shouldn't be expecting a BIG10 title year 2 or 3.

Agree and I don't expect a title. But I do expect to be playing for a BIG10 title.

 

[davecisar]

Sorry, I can't agree here. Frost won't have to deal with toxicity in the locker room like what Riley had to deal with. Oh, but that was Riley's fault because he couldn't get the players to buy into him, but now it won't be Frost's fault (but rather Riley's fault) if our players don't buy into Frost.

What a load of huey
Riley and Bos recruiting classes were ranked about the same in spite of the narrative
BTW both Tommy Armstrong and Johnny Stanton were 4 star QBs out of HS

Toxic locker room Riley inherited?
For crying out loud Pelini had turned the kids against the fans
That was an EASY one to solve- the fans werent against the players

Riley inherited SEVEN 9/10 win season teams. Yep, they werent great, but they usually beat who they were supposed to beat, they werent beating Purdue by 1, losing to Illinois, Northern Illinois and getting beaten by 30 by MINNESOTA. NU expected to beat the bottom and the middle and they DID> They just couldnt beat the best

Frost has inherited a team that EXPECTS TO LOSE- to EVERYONE
They stopped play NINE TIMES against Purdue- Purdue put it to us Sick
That is MUCH worse than inheriting a team that Bo turned against the fans- which was SIMPLE to solve

Have you ever played for or coached a team that is USED to and expects to lose? MUCH harder deal to turn around than the little Pelini mess he left behind. To equate the two is either a lack of understanding or a purposeful ruse to make the man you love so much-Riley seem less incompetent.

 

[davecisar]

This makes sense & would be fair, but I've always believed in giving a coach 4-5 years. Fortunately this won't happen, but if Frost has identical results as Riley in years 1-3 I won't be calling for Frost to be fired. I'll be calling for Frost to get another 1-2 years, just like I was with Riley.

Thank God you arent in charge and few listened to you. We have a real coach now- thanks to Moos and the fans who voiced their displeasure with Riley. voting with their feet and legit threats of not renewing their season tickets.

You were lobbying for 2 more years for Riley after year 3?
If we had more people like you Frost wouldnt be here- we would still be twiddling our thumbs and listening to old females who know nothing about NU football pine about having Frost "intern" under Riley and take over in a couple of years

The guy hasnt won a title at age 63- you could let him coach until he's 120- we would still be saddled with a .500 coach- and a woefully soft team

Riley is a loser- his approach had ZERO chance of working here- Impossible
He is lazy, uncommitted, incompetent and thanks to his $50,000 salary scam coming to light- unscrupulous too

 

[jolley]

I thought Frost was a super good coach? Why would a super good coach need more than 3 years to turn things around to be better than Riley?
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Maybe because he has a big task of changing the ENTIRE culture and attitude, including, but not limited to, the administrative offices and the academic (qualifying) office that would wait til the last minute to figure out a recruit wouldn't qualify. It is not easy to change a bureaucratic environment. Just ask any ceo or president.

 

[davecisar]

Did you read yesterdays OWH article on the Frost hire?
There was some good info on how Smilin Mikes- good natured howdy doody buddy buddy attitude allowed for a complete MESS
NO ONE working together and rowing in the same direction
Smilin Mike worried more about having everyone get along and like him- than making tough decisions and getting everyone on board- or HIT THE ROAD

BTW Frost is making the Support Staff MUCH SMALLER, he's said it twice now
LESS BUREAUCRACY
Forget the- IM here because Im all about cashing a paycheck and protecting my territory
Frosts office- used to be a secretarys office
Hes sending a signal- it's all about the results-its not about you, your perks and your money
He isnt about show- hes going to be in the field WORKING
Not like our last guy- AT ALL

 

[inWV]

Bo needed anger management training and ultimately he was fired because his demeanor set the admin against him. However, when it came to fielding a FB team on Saturdays, BP>MR. Had he simply set his sideline fury to 8 or 9 instead of 11 and embraced the fishbowl nature of being the HC coach of Nebraska, he would probably still be coaching here.
Frost is a pretty intense guy, but it's an intensity that is in pursuit of excellence. TO had pretty demanding expectations, but was very reserved in public settings. Frost hides his intensity less for sure.

 

[jolley]

We heard what an amazing job Frost did by turning around a crappy program in UCF. When it was brought up that UCF, as a program, was actually pretty good (they had just one really bad year) we were told that was hogwash and that UCF sucked and what Frost did was a miracle.

Now all of a sudden he's going to struggle turning around the Nebraska program?

Sorry, I can't agree here. Frost won't have to deal with toxicity in the locker room like what Riley had to deal with. Oh, but that was Riley's fault because he couldn't get the players to buy into him, but now it won't be Frost's fault (but rather Riley's fault) if our players don't buy into Frost.

Frost is inheriting a much better group of players than what Riley did. I can't remember, how many walk-ons did Nebraska have to start vs Ohio St in 2016? How many players got drafted last year and how many will get drafted this year?

This makes sense & would be fair, but I've always believed in giving a coach 4-5 years. Fortunately this won't happen, but if Frost has identical results as Riley in years 1-3 I won't be calling for Frost to be fired. I'll be calling for Frost to get another 1-2 years, just like I was with Riley.

Agree and I don't expect a title. But I do expect to be playing for a BIG10 title.

Reading some of your stuff, one could easily believe you are hoping SF fails. Who do you really think should be coaching right now? Just pretend you are the AD right now. Tell us who you would have coach and why. Would it be MR for 1 or 2 more years. Why? did you see something that told you he would change the culture that no one else saw?

Otherwise, who else do you think could get NU looking great (not just good) again, re-establishing a winning culture and in only 3 years?

Obviously, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it is much easier and quicker to take a winning team and make it a losing one than making a losing team into a winner, including changing an entire, by necessity, culture to a winning one. If you don't agree, then tell us your formula and get it copyrighted because thousands of coaches want to know your secrets.

 

[jolley]

Reading some of your stuff, one could easily believe you are hoping SF fails. Who do you really think should be coaching right now? Just pretend you are the AD right now. Tell us who you would have coach and why. Would it be MR for 1 or 2 more years. Why? did you see something that told you he would change the culture that no one else saw?

Otherwise, who else do you think could get NU looking great (not just good) again, re-establishing a winning culture and in only 3 years?

Obviously, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that it is much easier and quicker to take a winning team and make it a losing one than making a losing team into a winner, including changing an entire, by necessity, culture to a winning one. If you don't agree, then tell us your formula and get it copyrighted because thousands of coaches want to know your secrets.

HuskerO said: ↑
We heard what an amazing job Frost did by turning around a crappy program in UCF. When it was brought up that UCF, as a program, was actually pretty good (they had just one really bad year) we were told that was hogwash and that UCF sucked and what Frost did was a miracle.

Now all of a sudden he's going to struggle turning around the Nebraska program?

Sorry, I can't agree here. Frost won't have to deal with toxicity in the locker room like what Riley had to deal with. Oh, but that was Riley's fault because he couldn't get the players to buy into him, but now it won't be Frost's fault (but rather Riley's fault) if our players don't buy into Frost.

Frost is inheriting a much better group of players than what Riley did. I can't remember, how many walk-ons did Nebraska have to start vs Ohio St in 2016? How many players got drafted last year and how many will get drafted this year?

This makes sense & would be fair, but I've always believed in giving a coach 4-5 years. Fortunately this won't happen, but if Frost has identical results as Riley in years 1-3 I won't be calling for Frost to be fired. I'll be calling for Frost to get another 1-2 years, just like I was with Riley.

Agree and I don't expect a title. But I do expect to be playing for a BIG10 title.



per Todd McShay from ESPN:

"I like Scott Frost a lot as a person, and have gotten to know him over the years," McShay told Hail Varsity Radio. "Even if he had no tie to Nebraska, there are only a handful of coaches in the entire country – I'm talking like Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, those type of elite names – that maybe you would consider over Frost at this point, I think, with his youth, his energy, his passion for the game, his intelligence.

"I can't put a timeline on exactly how long and what, but I know this: That roster he got at UCF was really bad. It was a broken team. He turned it around in two years and went undefeated. I think the world of the guy. He made a big sacrifice to go back and do this. I know he's thrilled to do it, but it would've been a lot of easier to stay at UCF. They would've won and won big for a lot of years. It's going to take two or three years to get to where he feels like it's finally turning around with recruiting and everything else, the challenges he faces, but I just can't think of many other guys in the world that I would want in that position if I was a Nebraska fan."

 

[jolley]

[QUOTE="HuskerO, post: 4228834, member: 8758program?

Sorry, I can't agree here. Frost won't have to deal with toxicity in the locker room like what Riley had to deal with. Oh, but that was Riley's fault because he couldn't get the players to buy into him, but now it won't be Frost's fault (but rather Riley's fault) if our players don't buy into Frost[/QUOTE]

By the way, what definition of toxicity are you using? Does it include a low or no accountability for weight training, or a losing attitude, joking around on the sideline while your team is getting humiliated, not forcing a punt for more than 5 or 6 quarters in a row, etc., etc.?

Don't try to tell us you think that was just bad luck and bad breaks.

Do you really believe things were all dreamy in that locker room and program and MR got the shaft? In that case, that is a brand new category of denial.

You are right, the program was toxic when MR got there in a different way than when he left, but it was toxic when he left, too, just in a different way.

 

[timnsun]

Holy crap, you guys are relentless.

HuskerO is excited frost is here. Frost will do better than Riley, Pelini, and a host of others. HuskerO believes it will not take as long to turn this ship around.

And all you do is claim he wants frost to fail and he would be happier if Riley were still coach and all kinds of garbage that simply isn’t true.

Either Frost is a great coach or he isn’t. If he is a great coach, he will have this thing pointed in the right direction by year 2. If he isn’t a great coach, we won’t be sniffing any conference championship games any time soon, let alone playoff games.

Have faith in SF. We may not win 9 games this year, but it’s gonna fun watching the transformation, and i think it will be quicker than some of you think. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I haven’t been coaching football like davecisar and don’t have his football IQ, but Frost is a winner and he won’t settle for mediocrity or less for long.

 

[Ewooc]

This makes sense & would be fair, but I've always believed in giving a coach 4-5 years. Fortunately this won't happen, but if Frost has identical results as Riley in years 1-3 I won't be calling for Frost to be fired. I'll be calling for Frost to get another 1-2 years, just like I was with Riley.

I understand the point of 4-5 years. The thing with Riley was we were seeing regression on all sides of the ball. We were seeing teams give up in the 3rd quarter. We we seeing out of shape injury prone guys. We were seeing player mentality at an all time low. On top of all that putting up one of the worse teams in 60 years. The writing was on the wall. A good coach is not going to have this type of team year 3. Riley was never going to get it done here. There was no point in keeping him another 2 years. It would have just set the program back another 2 years.
Frost I believe will be given a bit of a longer rope. I also believe he will be in very hot water if he puts a team out, year 3, like Riley. I think Frost has 4-5 years to get a BIG10 title or he will probably be gone.

 

[Ewooc]

He isnt about show- hes going to be in the field WORKING
Not like our last guy- AT ALL

Riley was basically a figure head. I could be wrong but I am guessing he did very little coaching or hands on teaching.

 

[jolley]

Holy crap, you guys are relentless.

HuskerO is excited frost is here. Frost will do better than Riley, Pelini, and a host of others. HuskerO believes it will not take as long to turn this ship around.

And all you do is claim he wants frost to fail and he would be happier if Riley were still coach and all kinds of garbage that simply isn’t true.

Either Frost is a great coach or he isn’t. If he is a great coach, he will have this thing pointed in the right direction by year 2. If he isn’t a great coach, we won’t be sniffing any conference championship games any time soon, let alone playoff games.

Have faith in SF. We may not win 9 games this year, but it’s gonna fun watching the transformation, and i think it will be quicker than some of you think. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I haven’t been coaching football like davecisar and don’t have his football IQ, but Frost is a winner and he won’t settle for mediocrity or less for long.

I generally kike your post, but re-read husker0's posts, and don't you think there might be a tone of cynicism in them? I simply am asking him some questions because I am genuinely interested in his thinking in his answers IF he chooses to answer them or if he has some real thoughts about the questions.

I, also, pointed out that he was right about the pellini toxicity, but that mr left a toxic environment in the program, also, with a losing culture, although not an us against the university attitude like pelini, but, nevertheless, an insidious atmosphere of defeatism.

Simply put, both bp and mr were not good fits for the University of Nebraska. Good luck and good riddins(sp). Let's ALL hope SF is exactly the right guy for the job. I, certainly do because if he isn't, I wouldn't have any idea who would be. Belichek isn't coming.

 

[timnsun]

I generally kike your post, but re-read husker0's posts, and don't you think there might be a tone of cynicism in them? I simply am asking him some questions because I am genuinely interested in his thinking in his answers IF he chooses to answer them or if he has some real thoughts about the questions.

I, also, pointed out that he was right about the pellini toxicity, but that mr left a toxic environment in the program, also, with a losing culture, although not an us against the university attitude like pelini, but, nevertheless, an insidious atmosphere of defeatism.

Simply put, both bp and mr were not good fits for the University of Nebraska. Good luck and good riddins(sp). Let's ALL hope SF is exactly the right guy for the job. I, certainly do because if he isn't, I wouldn't have any idea who would be. Belichek isn't coming.

I’ve seen enough posts from huskerO that I think he does like Frost and thinks he will do really well here. I struggle with people who say it’s going to take four years to turn this thing around. It’s hard for me to believe that Frost’s players have to be juniors and seniors before we see a turnaround. I truly believe Frost is better than that.

This next year, as an optimist, I think Frost can win nine games. Keep in mind I’m an optimist, which hurt me in my support of Mike Riley. Maybe frost only wins six this year… But I think he can do better than that. And then next year, the sky’s the limit. Not saying he will win every game next year, but we will be a very hard team to beat.

 

[davecisar]

I’ve seen enough posts from huskerO that I think he does like Frost and thinks he will do really well here. I struggle with people who say it’s going to take four years to turn this thing around. It’s hard for me to believe that Frost’s players have to be juniors and seniors before we see a turnaround. I truly believe Frost is better than that.

This next year, as an optimist, I think Frost can win nine games. Keep in mind I’m an optimist, which hurt me in my support of Mike Riley. Maybe frost only wins six this year… But I think he can do better than that. And then next year, the sky’s the limit. Not saying he will win every game next year, but we will be a very hard team to beat.

It isnt so much needing Frosts players to be Juniors or Seniors- that helps
But turning over the roster to get rid of the kids who have accepted and expect to lose. Smilin and joking around at the half of the OSU game- I wont share his number- is not the type of player NU wants or needs.

Walking out of the tunnel KNOWING you are going to get blown out by OSU and MINNESOTA- isnt the mindset that wins games or that we can be proud of (thanks Riley)

This is one of the MAIN reasons why Frost brought in all the Jucos- Immediate outside starting help- not tarnished by the losing and soft attitude of Riley coached teams
This is why Frost tried to sign 25 kids this period- got 24
This is why Frost will continue to try and turn over this roster ASAP
There wont be recruiting classes of 19-20 kids the next couple of years

Not the kids fault- 3 years of this nonsense had like FROST SAID in his interviews with the OWH "created a habit, winning and losing is a habit" These kids became a reflection of their leadership- lazy, happy just to wear the "costume" and collect the benefits and very soft

 

[timnsun]

It isnt so much needing Frosts players to be Juniors or Seniors- that helps
But turning over the roster to get rid of the kids who have accepted and expect to lose. Smilin and joking around at the half of the OSU game- I wont share his number- is not the type of player NU wants or needs.

Walking out of the tunnel KNOWING you are going to get blown out by OSU and MINNESOTA- isnt the mindset that wins games or that we can be proud of (thanks Riley)

This is one of the MAIN reasons why Frost brought in all the Jucos- Immediate outside starting help- not tarnished by the losing and soft attitude of Riley coached teams
This is why Frost tried to sign 25 kids this period- got 24
This is why Frost will continue to try and turn over this roster ASAP
There wont be recruiting classes of 19-20 kids the next couple of years

Not the kids fault- 3 years of this nonsense had like FROST SAID in his interviews with the OWH "created a habit, winning and losing is a habit" These kids became a reflection of their leadership- lazy, happy just to wear the "costume" and collect the benefits and very soft

I get that, but I just think the problem players will either buy in or be gone. Riley’s problem with the “toxic” players was that he didn’t challenge them or send the packing. He let them stay and do their thing. If the players aren’t buying in under Frost, I don’t believe they will be on the field. More than that, I think they may not even be on the team.

Frost started and played how many freshmen and sophomores this last year st UCF? I don’t remember the number but it was a lot. Players that are accustomed to losing and don’t do anything about it will not play. I think it’s as simple as that.

 

[davecisar]

I get that, but I just think the problem players will either buy in or be gone. Riley’s problem with the “toxic” players was that he didn’t challenge them or send the packing. He let them stay and do their thing. If the players aren’t buying in under Frost, I don’t believe they will be on the field. More than that, I think they may not even be on the team.

Frost started and played how many freshmen and sophomores this last year st UCF? I don’t remember the number but it was a lot. Players that are accustomed to losing and don’t do anything about it will not play. I honk it’s as simple as that.

This toxic player bit- just doesnt hunt
I know several players on the team, who played for me- they were more than willing to give the new guy and staff a chance- many welcomed it in fact. Many on the team were sick of the us against the world schtick. If youve ever been a part of something like that- it can work for awhile but it gets real old, real quick- not fun at all

Im a player- my goal is to PLAY
Why in the world would I display a bad attitude and not buy into a way of doing things- which 100% affects my ability to PLAY???
I put in all this time and effort and Im going to purposely sabotage my playing time and future because of a past coach that cant help me achieve my goals in any way and is a proven whack job?? Total excuse making BS

Please quit trotting out this tired old excuse
Riley lost because he's always lost- He's a loser- that is what he does. Another year under the belt and a change of scenery- meant nothing- he is who he is who he is

A supposed "bad attitude" in the locker room didnt all of a sudden make our kids weak and soft as pillows mentally and physically, That was 100% MIKE RILEY Please stop defending the guy- he's what $15,000,000 richer thanks to NU- for doing nothing more than putting in a poor and incompetent effort- put us on the edge of the abyss and being our worst coach in 56 years.

 

[timnsun]

This toxic player bit- just doesnt hunt
I know several players on the team, who played for me- they were more than willing to give the new guy and staff a chance- many welcomed it in fact. Many on the team were sick of the us against the world schtick. If youve ever been a part of something like that- it can work for awhile but it gets real old, real quick- not fun at all

Im a player- my goal is to PLAY
Why in the world would I display a bad attitude and not buy into a way of doing things- which 100% affects my ability to PLAY???
I put in all this time and effort and Im going to purposely sabotage my playing time and future because of a past coach that cant help me achieve my goals in any way and is a proven whack job?? Total excuse making BS

Please quit trotting out this tired old excuse
Riley lost because he's always lost- He's a loser- that is what he does. Another year under the belt and a change of scenery- meant nothing- he is who he is who he is

A supposed "bad attitude" in the locker room didnt all of a sudden make our kids weak and soft as pillows mentally and physically, That was 100% MIKE RILEY Please stop defending the guy- he's what $15,000,000 richer thanks to NU- for doing nothing more than putting in a poor and incompetent effort- put us on the edge of the abyss and being our worst coach in 56 years.

Thanks for the smokescreen.

I already said Riley didn’t cut anybody lose. So if there was a loser mentality, it didn’t get addressed by him.

Now to the point I would like your feedback on which you completely ignored, is that frost won’t allow a loser’s mentality. Get on board or hit the bricks. It’s not gonna take four years to turn this thing around. To say it will is also saying frost isn’t as good as people believe.

Why should it take four years? Seriously, I really want to know why you think it’ll be four years before Frost really has what he wants...

 

[Huskercigar]

Yup and we know you love BP.

Nope......just hated MR. You automatically assume that if you hate MR you loved BP. Most realistic people can see the difference between averaging 6 wins a season that BC and MR did with the 9+ that Bo did. I guess if you feel they were all the same more power to you.

 

[timnsun]

Nope......just hated MR. You automatically assume that if you hate MR you loved BP. Most realistic people can see the difference between averaging 6 wins a season that BC and MR did with the 9+ that Bo did. I guess if you feel they were all the same more power to you.

And you automatically assume if people supported MR they hate SF. How are you treating those of us any different?

Edit: let me say as well, I disagree with the notion of you didn’t like Riley you loved Bo. That doesn’t make sense to me... MR gave fans plenty of reasons not to like him, almost all of them on the field of play.

 

[Huskercigar]

Why should it take four years? Seriously, I really want to know why you think it’ll be four years before Frost really has what he wants...

I'll answer that. Because I think Scott Frost and his staff are capable of developing players for their entire careers. I think a Freshman will get better as a Sophomore, a Sophomore will get better as a Junior and and a Junior will get better as a Senior. Now am I saying it will take 4 years to win 9 games? Win 10 games? Get into the Championship game? No not at all.

If Im going to hold onto my belief that he can develop that well.....whether its true or not......then why wouldn't I believe that these kids will be at their best in the fourth year?

 

[timnsun]

I'll answer that. Because I think Scott Frost and his staff are capable of developing players for their entire careers. I think a Freshman will get better as a Sophomore, a Sophomore will get better as a Junior and and a Junior will get better as a Senior. Now am I saying it will take 4 years to win 9 games? Win 10 games? Get into the Championship game? No not at all.

If Im going to hold onto my belief that he can develop that well.....whether its true or not......then why wouldn't I believe that these kids will be at their best in the fourth year?

I don’t doubt that year four we will be a well oiled machine. My contention is that I think we will be a well oiled machine by year 3 as well, at the very latest.

 

[Huskercigar]

And you automatically assume if people supported MR they hate SF. How are you treating those of us any different?

Edit: let me say as well, I disagree with the notion of you didn’t like Riley you loved Bo. That doesn’t make sense to me... MR gave fans plenty of reasons not to like him, almost all of them on the field of play.

Whooo there Nellie. I haven't automatically assumed that at all. This discussion was about grouping Bo's records in with BC's and MR's. SF had nothing to do with it.

 

[timnsun]

Whooo there Nellie. I haven't automatically assumed that at all. This discussion was about grouping Bo's records in with BC's and MR's. SF had nothing to do with it.

My bad... for some reason I have trouble distinguishing you from Davecisar... cisar and cigar are too close in spelling for me and I don’t pay attention well enough sometimes.

Apologies.

 

[Sinomatic]

I wasn't here for the BP MR sides to develop but losing seasons to me indicate an ineffective coach.

Winning 9 games regularly and not ending the season ranked beating NO ONE, and suffering blowout losses, AND pitting the fans against the team is, at least to me, worse.

I'm not a MR or a BP thumper, I see both of those guys as undesirable football wise.


Number of wins means nothing. Being in position winning against the best is what is desirable.

 

[Huskercigar]

Frost is inheriting a much better group of players than what Riley did. I can't remember, how many walk-ons did Nebraska have to start vs Ohio St in 2016? How many players got drafted last year and how many will get drafted this year?
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I disagree. Riley inherited a group of players who were hard workers and used to winning. Riley made them soft, lazy and losers. The players saw it immediately and that is what was toxic. That same toxicity existed when SF took over. We got the right guy now to change that. But he is inheriting a team with a losing attitude. Much worse than what MR had. To say this team at 4-8 has better talent than what MR took over at 9-4 is ridiculous. They might have had more talent when they entered the MR program but they didn't have that talent when handed over to SF.

 

[timnsun]

I disagree. Riley inherited a group of players who were hard workers and used to winning. Riley made them soft, lazy and losers. The players saw it immediately and that is what was toxic. That same toxicity existed when SF took over. We got the right guy now to change that. But he is inheriting a team with a losing attitude. Much worse than what MR had. To say this team at 4-8 has better talent than what MR took over at 9-4 is ridiculous. They might have had more talent when they entered the MR program but they didn't have that talent when handed over to SF.

I think it’s ok to say the talent is better... more high profile universities offered Riley recruits than Pelini recruits, even if their class rankings were similar...

But as we have seen time and time again, hard work can often trump talent. The question to me is will these players work hard for Frost and Co... if they will, their talent will be evident. If not, they will remain worse than what Bo left Riley.

Guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[Ewooc]

Sorry, I can't agree here. Frost won't have to deal with toxicity in the locker room like what Riley had to deal with.

I honestly think it is a worse kind of toxicity. Riley had to come in and change a team with an I mentality, us against the world. For the most part the players knew how to play football and were in good shape and played hard when on the field.
Frost came in to an I mentality team as well, but he also now has to try and fix the lazy attitudes and crappy work ethic that Riley instilled for 3 years. I have no idea how long that will take. Could take a year, could take more. I don't think it is fair to say Riley had more toxicity to deal with coming in.

 

[timnsun]

I honestly think it is a worse kind of toxicity. Riley had to come in and change a team with an I mentality, us against the world. For the most part the players knew how to play football and were in good shape and played hard when on the field.
Frost came in to an I mentality team as well, but he also now has to try and fix the lazy attitudes and crappy work ethic that Riley instilled for 3 years. I have no idea how long that will take. Could take a year, could take more. I don't think it is fair to say Riley had more toxicity to deal with coming in.

This is a solid argument. Well said… My sense is that Frost will have this figured out sooner rather than later, maybe even as early as next year. I gotta believe that if there are players not buying in by 2019, those players will not be around.

 

[Huskercigar]

My bad... for some reason I have trouble distinguishing you from Davecisar... cisar and cigar are too close in spelling for me and I don’t pay attention well enough sometimes.

Apologies.

No problem. If you really want to be confused I could tell you my first name is Dave. But back to your point about whether it will take 4 years to turn around. No i don't believe that. To accurately make that determination we would first have to agree on what represents a turn around. A certain win number? Reduction in Blow outs? No give up? That's what makes this entire thread direction one big argument.

However......I know you are defending HuskerO but he is coming off in pretty strong support of MR right now and even admitted he still thinks MR should have gotten another year or two. Its pretty hard for us to leave that one alone.

 

[davecisar]

Thanks for the smokescreen.

I already said Riley didn’t cut anybody lose. So if there was a loser mentality, it didn’t get addressed by him.

Now to the point I would like your feedback on which you completely ignored, is that frost won’t allow a loser’s mentality. Get on board or hit the bricks. It’s not gonna take four years to turn this thing around. To say it will is also saying frost isn’t as good as people believe.

Why should it take four years? Seriously, I really want to know why you think it’ll be four years before Frost really has what he wants...

Loser mentality?
Riley inherited a team that was WINNING 9/10 games a year
I will say it again- they beat the bottom dwellers and middle of the road and some of the top 1/3 teams- they couldnt beat the best

The LOSER mentality we have now- is because a very lazy, weak, incompetent and soft coach- has lost to the bottom dwellars and middle teams- in fact gotten blown out by them. THAT is the loser mentality we have 3- years worth of it. Kids following the coaches lead- putting in the time with minimal effort to get the paycheck- the coaches cashing in their millions- the kids cashing in on the schollys, extra benefits and wearing the costume in front of adoring sold out stadiums. Riley got some of the kids over the hump- of hating the fans- BIG DEAL- that doesnt affect their play. Expecting to LOSE affects your play- it IS a BIG DEAL..

Yes- Riley was a whimp in every way and Frost will probably weed out a few of the posers. However changing that put in your time- do the minimum- look for a soft spot to land when you get punched in the mouth- is really tough to get out of the minds of an ENTIRE TEAM. It's almost like once it's been allowed to infect someone- it becomes part of them.

NU will be MUCH better coached this year
This wont be a 4 win team that really deserved to win 2 games like in 2017- the entire team wont lay down against the likes of Minnesota
But to get the infection of minimal effort and mental softness erased from this team will be done partly through coaching- and partly through attrition and adding new players.

I will stick by my prediction of 6-7 wins in year 1 thanks partly to the toughest schedule in DI- Much better football being played, improved running game- more physical, fewer blowouts- but there will be some lopsided losses. YOu will see better effort in those games though
Year 2 I expect to see a breakout of 10-11 wins- Less narrow wins against the bottom dwellers- a much more manageable schedule top 20 team
Year 3 Division title contenders - this year- more competitive against the better teams 9/10 wins. Every year putting a little more distance between NU and the bottom dwellers and middles.
Year 4 Division title winners or extremely extremely close- 10/11 wins Top 15 team. Much more physical team. Dominating the Purdues, NW Arkansas Tech, Illinois, Rutgers- beatdowns. Putting the middles well in the rearview miror- Minny, MD etc handling them with ease. Being the visibly better team and winning- expect to and beating the Northwesterns, Iowas. MSUs etc Setting our sights on and legitimately competing with the Wisconsin, MI, OSU and PSUs of the world as well as OU in OOC. Picking up a win here and there against them- playing them in legit games. Not struggling against bottom and middles.
Year 5- full schedule not out yet