And what did the guys before them do with that talent? Usually nothing and a lot of them didn't do any better than Riley, even with top ranked classes.
Frost hates losing!!
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What is your point. I pointed out that these coaches came into some talent-rich situations... Talent that the prior coaches recruited. If you would like, maybe you can research what kind of talent was in the programs prior to them taking the reigns,
Just look at USC before Carroll, Oklahoma before Bob Stoops, Alabama before Nick Saban. Despite having highly ranked classes, the previous coaches had undergone losing seasons. All these coaches struggled somewhat their first season before really turning it around in their second seasons. If it was just because of recruiting, they should have been able to turn it around in their first seasons, should they not?
Not interested. People said after 2007 we had no talent in the program. That narrative changed pretty quickly when what talent we had actually got developed and coached properly. It's hard to tell what kind of talent you actually have until they've been developed and coached properly, which we haven't had for several years now.
What I’m asking is how do you know these other schools were in disarray as much as Nebraska? How do you know these other schools had optional workouts and club med atmosphere that occurred under Riley? How do you know that other schools were more committed to the previous coaches than the new coaches and the university? First years can be tough, especially without the buy in.
I’m gonna say that not every university goes through what Nebraska went through last year, but I have no proof to back it up. It’s just my opinion. Yeah, everyone goes through the ringer a bit when going through a coaching change, but I still contend the environment at Nebraska was worse than most places.
No I don't think we had it worse than other programs. Take a look at other boards that went through a coaching change and see what they think. Most of them were all jumping out of buildings too, but generally they were able to turn it around once they found their coach. If Riley was really as bad as you say, then it shouldn't be that hard to turn things around.
I guess I don't understand this concept. If our S&C was as bad under Riley as has been alluded to, wouldn't that mean that our team collectively wouldn't be as strong and well-conditioned as many of the teams we were playing? To think you can make that leap back to winning 9 or 10 games in one year, with the schedule we played last year...seems a little short-sighted to me. And think how differently things may have gone if we were able to play our opening game.
Frost and his staff were a whisker away from beating Colorado, Troy (Martinez injury), Ohio State, Northwestern, and Iowa. How we gave away the games against Colorado and Northwestern is beyond me.
Taking a bunch of players they didn't recruit, a true freshman QB, and after 3 years of Riley's strength and conditioning program...and coming close on so many occasions, tells me the coaches are very close. The one concern I have is Chinander. He will be heavily scrutinized going forward.
I didn't say one year. It's going to be year 2 and S&C should be back up and Frost should have enough of his players to do what he needs. If Riley was really that bad, it shouldn't be hard to show a lot of improvement in year two and have some success. Every new coach has to coach players he didn't recruit and good coaches generally show a lot of improvement in year two. I expect that from Frost and think it will happen.
I get what you are saying. And you ARE right.
But some of those dont seem the same as inheriting Mike Riley f#@k jobs.
For example while a sh@tty coach and the record reflected it, John Blake could recruit like a MOTHERF#$* and Stoops reaped what the crappy coach but great recruiter sowed.
Dont remember specifics on the other takeovers and ALL great coaches. ALL bluebloods. Just not sure about the Jimmies and the Joes in those cases. Interesting research that Im too lazy to do would be to see players drafted at those schools the year those coaches took over and the year after they did. For Nebraska? CRAP.
Again agree with you. Just nitpicking on talent and maybe on what quick is.
Unfortunately little remains of those classes . And the talent recruited left some positions with no depth.
Riley was not a good evaluator or developer of talent . When he did recruit many did not actually make it to class or left .
When you make comments like...
"If Riley was really as bad as you say, then it shouldn't be that hard to turn things around."
..it implies that you expect a turnaround to take place pretty quickly. I expect it to turn around pretty quickly, which means I expect to win 8 or 9 gaes this year.
yes .. when I speak of a rapid turn around I am speaking of within 3 years .. an 8-9 win season in year 2 would put us in position to have an elite season in year 3 - particularly when you consider what we have at QB
a NY6 bowl and/or a top 10 finish in year 3 would be on par with what other peer programs have accomplished with elite coaching in that time span
A national title would be almost uniquely difficult compared to those listed examples. Of all the coaches who won a national title in years 2/3, none of them were entering the position of rebuilding with established dynasties in place. With TO retiring in '97 that left a power vacuum which resulted in some parity for the next decade. (Brown, Stoops, Tressel, Carrol, Saban) Currently there are potentially 2 dynasties(Alabama, Clemson?) that are difficult to unseat. I don't see Frost getting beyond the talent stockpiled with those two programs so quickly but would be gladly mistaken if it happened.
Urban Meyer certainly was not rebuilding at tOSU following Tressel. His departure this season does open the possibilities for Nebraska to have earlier success in obtaining a conference title sooner than if he were still coaching. Of course if they win the BIG then they will almost certainly reach a NY6 bowl and likely a top 10 which is probably the bar set within the program for the next 2 years.
Urban Meyer certainly was not rebuilding at tOSU following Tressel. His departure this season does open the possibilities for Nebraska to have earlier success in obtaining a conference title sooner than if he were still coaching. Of course if they win the BIG then they will almost certainly reach a NY6 bowl and likely a top 10 which is probably the bar set within the program for the next 2 years.
Every team is at risk for taking a step back after losing all American type players. Franklin, I believe, recruited both those players. He took over a program that had just come off near death penalty sanctions and won the conference in year 3 and played in a major bowl in year 4. We have a QB that you could argue is better than mcsorley. No reason we shouldn’t expect similar results
I fully think Martinez is a Heisman caliber talent. If not next year, at least some point in his career I think he'll be sitting in New York. We need to get our defense fixed. It would be a shame to waste that type of talent ala Suh in 2009 with a mediocre defense.
Your opinion sucks and so does your little ioway buddy Melmc. Recess is over, run along and take all the iowa turds with you.
12th game of the year Martinez led offense put up 400 yards on the road against a top 10 defense that only gave up 298/game. Martinez led Nebraska averaged 5.6 yards per play against a defense that was allowing 4.5 yards per play. Martinez scored 28 points against a team that was allowing 17. 24 first downs against a team that gave up only 16/game.
He did all of this against a NFL loaded defense, as a true frosh... I'll say Big Ten hasn't figured him out yet.
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He's not even worth a response.
Again not taking anything away from Franklin I think he is good... However 14 months after the NCAA levied the penalties against Penn St they gave them the scholarships right back... They had limited numbers in 2011 and 12 (15) but by 2013 while still limited (20) they brought in nearly as many 4 stars as Nebtaska did. Obrien was working on a top 25 class for 2014 when Franklin was hired. The following year Franklins first full recruiting class had the full allotment of schollies back and the post season bans were lifted. In turn Franklin brought in a top 15 class with with 9 4 stars from the PA/ NJ area alone. Again I think hes is a good coach and will be even more so as I think he benefits greatly from coaching at a school with quite a bit of home-grown talent (Barkley) and a wide and fertile recruiting base. Just my opinion...
I couldn't disagree more. I think he will show good improvement, hopefully on the out in the flat passes. I've said it before, with our schedule I will be disappointed if we don't get 9 wins. I'll be excite with 10 wins. This does not count a bowl game, remember those?
If we can’t win at least 8 games with this schedule, Frost will start to be questioned imo.
No wifi here in the outhouse, but my 3G connection held up long enough to transmit my post. Have a good summer, brother.
This is a real possibility. Some things take time to rebuild, but we have rebuilt the roster fast. A lot of other things, take more time, but I agree with this as a possible outcome. Things can come together rather fast. We could start seeing synergies this year, and hope this is exactly what happens.
Lots of things make a big jump in year 2, no matter what business you are in.
Go Big Red!
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Agree. Bottom line good coaches win and they win quickly. They don't need 5-10 years to get all the little pieces into place. They don't need perfect recruiting classes. Top level assistants. Perfect schedules. Perfect player personnel. Of course that all makes it easier. They don't make excuses, they take what they have and make it work. Frost so far has a history ( be it short) of doing what he needs to, to win quickly. Until proven otherwise Im going with the thought he is great coach who will find ways to win.
thanks, when you are wishing me a good summer, does that REALLY mean, by any remote chance, that you won't be coming over here? If so, thanks, again.