Frost hates losing!!
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Living in Iowa would be torture.
Oh I’m sure it tore him up worse then it did for any of us fans. I feel for the man, he took over an absolute disaster. I don’t think I ever remembering a Husker team that was in that bad of shape...and I don’t mean just S&C...I mean the whole kitty caboodle.
Yep and Now for the first time ever the Huskers got to see what Kirk Ferentz and the Iowa Hawkeyes felt like in Ferentz first two seasons and going 4-19...and that was two full years....Pour Ferentz and iowa had to wait till year 3 before they had a ok season. Now THATS torture.
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you must have wifi while sitting in your outhouse and wishing you had indoor plumbing east of the Missouri river, don't you have ANY other place to be---ever?
First half of the year still seems like a dream. No matter how you slice it, what an unfortunate start with that Akron game. As unlucky as one can get.
And it was the funnet season I had watching Nebraska football since 2009.
There is no such thing as a quick fix. Nebraska was a shell of its former self when Frost arrived. I'm sure Scott didn't recognize much when he got here. Husker Power gone, no walk on program to speak of, voluntary workouts, guys skipping tutoring sessions, not eating at the training table. Everything that made this place special had been torn down. That had to kill him.
That’s for sure bro, and I keep trying to remind people that. The ones that keep “oh he went 4-8” and crap like that. Frost had a HUGE rebuild a head of him. He turned over our roster in a HUGE way and we started and played a ton of freshman all the way to juniors. Another reason our draft day didn’t look so good. Seeing us finish out 4-2 with only a 5 point lose to OSUcks and taking a Iowa a last second field goal to beat us. That’s HUGE improvements over one single season.
yes there is:
Blue Blood + Great Coach = elite program by years 2-3 (modern era)
Mack Brown - yr 3 - 7 -1 in conference top 15 -- yr 4 top 10 - (22 combined wins the 3 yrs prior)
Tom Herman - year 2 NY6 win -- (16 wins 3 yrs prior)
Pete Carrol - year 2 top 5 -- Nat Title yrs 3-4 -- (19 wins the prior 3 yrs)
Lloyd Carr - year 3 nat title (25 wins prior 3 years)
Jim Harbaugh - year 2 - top 10 + major bowl (20 wins the prior 3 years)
Jim Tressel - year 2 nat title (25 wins the prior 3 years)
Bob Stoops - year 2 - nat title (12 wins the prior 3 years)
Lou Holtz - year 3 national title (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Brian Kelly - year 3 nat title game (16 wins the prior 3 years)
Nick Saban - year 2 ranked 6th - year 3 nat title (22 wins the prior 3 years)
Scott Frost - ????????????? (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Oh your right, there is a quick fix if your roster is FINE. But if you have OUR ISSUES. No there isn’t. Our issues are completely different then those examples you listed. In a HUGE WAY.
Edited....then again I was talking year 1. Now year two could be a different ball game. We really could come out and go 7-6 all the way up to 10-3.
This year could be the great leap forward. We have arguably our easiest schedule in 30 years. An elite QB some depth on the offensive and defensive lines. Vegas has our o/u at 8 wins that's after losing a 1000 yard rusher and receiver. Big things could be on the way.
Frost only has a year under his belt. This year could be special and I have a feeling year 3 will be special.
I'm wondering how many hundred more times you're going to post this same thing. Not sure what your point is with it-it's almost like you can't wait to declare that Frost will never be a great coach.
Going to post every time someone says things like “that these things take time” when it clearly doesn’t. I for the record think Frost is an elite coach and that Nebraska is an elite blue blood program. In the modern era every time those two factors have combined, the results have been elite and they have happened very quickly.
It’s almost like those that disagree are afraid one of those 2 factors aren’t true.
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Well, I'll ask you-do you think we will win a national title or even make the playoff in the next 2 years? And if not, then what do you think that means for the future with Frost? The problem is, you seem to be setting an awful high bar to cross in the next two years. I am one of the strongest critics of people who set the bar too low-but this is setting it way too high.
I’m setting the bar at what every other blue blood program was able to achieve within a short time span. Every single one. If we don’t achieve this I’m not advocating for getting rid of Frost by any means if things don’t turn quickly. It took Dabo awhile but Clemson is not a blue blood program.
People go to war when defending Nebraska’s status as a blue blood. And it is universally accepted by our fan base that Frost is an elite coach. But when you put those 2 factors together and compare similar circumstances at other peer programs people slam on the breaks
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Yes, you're not saying to get rid of Frost if things don't turn around quickly, but you do seem to be saying that he won't be a great coach-i.e winning a national championship. And you still are conveniently avoiding the question I asked-what do you think happens in the next two years?
Yes I think we can finish in the top 10 and/or play in a New Years 6 game in year 3. My bar was never set at national championship. Those numbers I posted are top 10 or NY6 bowl. It just so happens that many of those coaches also won national titles.
No I don’t think we win a national title or play in one like many of those other programs were able to achieve in that time frame but I do think we can have an elite season in 3 years.
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I think we can too. But I also don't think that failing to make it to that level means that he won't ever make it to that level. I think it's a "can do" thing not a "must do" thing.
I don’t know about making the playoffs even if Nebraska would win the B1G in a couple of years doesn’t make them automatically a playoff team and I would be just as happy playing in the Rose Bowl or another NY6 Bowl...
Didn't ou think that with howard s(leese)chnellenberger after he failed in the pros after winning a mnc in miami? Then he promptly flopped and embarrassed ou badly.
So, my point of contention on your post is that you say "every other blue blood program . . . Every single one" is not, necessarily true.
I hope you are correct, but that is a very strong statement , unless you would say s(leese)chnellenberger was not an elite coach, but in that respect, a few of those other guys aren't either.
Please don't get me wrong, I think SF is many cuts above sleesenberger, but absolute statements like that can lead to disappointments as every circumstance is unique unto itself and not totally predictable.
It really isn't much different and a lot of those teams had just as much roster issues, player issues, culture issues as we did. Good coaching get those things fixed and most of the time it happens pretty quickly if you have a great coach.
We better win 9 games at a minimum with our schedule.
I’m not so confident that we will though.
Schnellenberger - good find
my post indicates elite season within the first 3 years - Schnellberger only coached one season at OU - he wasn't given additional years
secondly, Schenellenberger was not an elite coach when he took over OU -- he left Miami in 1983 and took over Louisville in 1985 -- he coached 10 years at Louisville and finished with a below .500 record. He only qualified for 2 bowls in 10 years. Would you consider an elite coach someone, who in the prior decade, failed to win more than half his games and only made it to a bowl 20% of the time. Those are Mike Riley numbers.
you are right absolutes can be problematic ... I'm sure there are exceptions but Howard Schnellenberger isn't one of them
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Interesting. Curious how you know this and even more curious to see proof of this. As soon as you provide it I will believe it.
Unless you are in your 60s or 70s Im not sure many have seen a worse Nebraska team than what we saw in 2017 and the first part of 2018. It was one of the worse P5 programs in the country top to bottom.
9 games should be very do able. If we don't we have some big issues that need to get figured out. O-Line is the biggest concern for me. I don't care how good of Wr, RB, or QB you have. If the O-line can't protect and open up holes. The most talented guys in the world are going to struggle to do anything with the ball.
Completely agree with the O-line statements.
That unit will almost single handedly be the reason that we win anywhere from 10-4 games.
I could see that big of a range in wins based on this unit.
Just off of added S&C and easier schedule, 4 wins would be an astronomical failure. Even 5 is hard to imagine year 2. I really don't see any way that happens unless we are hit with massive/ major injuries to most of our starting players. I think realistically we see 7-9
I was surprised last year with 4 wins but. I didn't put it out of the realm of possibilities. This year I would put it out of the realm of possibilities...... Ok, less than 1% lol
Devils advocate here...
Nick Saban - Alabama in 2007 was working on a top 10 class and had an 11th,18th, and 15th ranked class in the 3 years prior...
Brian Kelly- Put the finishing touches on Charlie Weiss' already top 15 class and had the 21st, 2nd, and 8th ranked classes to work with...
Jim Tressel - Ohio State according to Tom Lemming/Allen Wallace produced the number 6th ranked class in 99 and the 4th ranked class in 98...
Jim Harbaugh - Harbaughs 2nd season had a roster full of upper-classmen from both a 5th and 7th ranked class from 2012-2013...
Lloyd Carr - Took over in 1995... Michigans classes were as follows, 1992 ranked 4th,1993 ranked 2nd, and 1994 ranked 3rd per Lemming...
Pete Carroll - Got to USC in 2001, a program who had recruiting classes that were ranked in the top 5 or 10 every year but once (99) since 1994...
Tom Hermann- Had a couple of top 15 and 20 classes to work with. Probably the closest to Nebraska in terms of class rankings when Frost took over.
Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, and Lou Holtz... OU and Texas had a couple of classes here and there in Lemmings top 10 but the years they didn't it is hard to see where exactly they finished. I can't find any data on Notre Dame from the early 80s... But traditionally these schools brought in talent year in and year out...
Scott Frost - If you are on this board you know how NU recruiting has gone as well as the develpoment of that talent...
valid points - I personally believe that elite coaches at elite programs win early
since Nebraska joined the Big ten, it has never had a recruiting class ranked below any of the teams currently in the Big Ten West - never.
At minimum we should own this division.
James Franklin's 3 class ranks prior to his hire - 35th, 52nd, 43rd ... he won the big ten in year 3 and in year 4 followed up with a Fiesta bowl bid and a top ten finish
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Franklin is a good coach no doubt... However after Barkley left they took a big step back with a 9-4 season... And with them losing McSorley this year Im gonna take a wait and see approach on that one...
Yes I agree franklin might be just an above average coach ... but despite this and the fact he inherited some pretty poor classes in his first 4 years after taking over a blue blood program he won a conf championship and finished in the top 10 twice
thanks. it seemed ou had high hopes with schnellenberger, but everyone has high hopes for new coaches, but, yeah, he wasn't an elite coach, time will tell, I suppose for some of those others you named, previously