OSU was down three players in the secondary in the 2nd half...we only threw the ball deep twice the entire 2nd half...one ball was a TD that was dropped, another was a 50 yard pass completion. We had a lead and tried to ride OZ even though he averaged less than 4 ypc. On top of this, both of our backs were banged up by the 4th quarter. Do you think Frost would have called that one differently if he had another try? Was he running the ball and ignoring the glaring holes in the OSU secondary to run the clock and keep it close?
Frost coaching to not get blown out?
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he had at least 2 key drops from his receivers in the second half. The calls were there, the execution wasn't
The run was working and it didn't seem like tOSU was stacking the box much.
I also felt like OSU’s pressure was decent... even on the long completion Martinez got clobbered. The short passing game is this offense. Maybe a few more shots down the field, but I felt like we had a winnable game plan. Just needed to execute a few more times in the second half.
the run was not working, as evidenced by a 3.6 ypc average, and four straight punts when we forced the ball to OZ...Hell the Spielman drop was 3rd and 12 and he was WIDE open...they were playing to stop the deep throw a bit but I think you go for it when you have a lead...OSU averaged 8 yards a play in the first half, we weren't going to stop them, and we weren't going to win by gaining 4 ypc.
Are you kidding me, he called a brilliant game. He coached to win and we almost pulled it out.
This is one of those could have, would have, should have games. If we didn't have a muffed onside. If we didn't throw and int in our red zone, if we didn't have a dropped pass for TD. If our D could get a stop on 3rd when it matters.
If he goes to passing and it doesn't work, then everyone is saying "OZ has had huge games this year. Ohio St Run D isn't great, why didn't we run him more. " I do agree when our offense went 4 or 5 straight punts, we probably should have tried to air it out more. I do think Frost wanted to play it a bit more safe, just to keep it close. He was trying to limit clock and how many points Ohio St could score.
Coached a hell of a game. We needed to play a near perfect game today. Almost did so but few dropped passes proved costly imo. Our guys are fighting like we are 7-2. I really think we win these next 3 games and carry momentum to next year where we can win 9-10 games
If you're second-guessing Frost on this game, I really don't know what else to say.
Some of you really need to think before you post.
I can't fault the play calling at all. Get a stop on one of the last two drives and we have the ball last playing for the win on the road against a team whose two deeps are better than more than half of our one deeps -- and whose 1s in almost all positions are much more highly rated than our 1s.
You can fault Frost for plenty this season but he had a nice game plan today. There were a number of whiffs in execution but the play calling was fine.
It's not a stretch to say Urban got out coached.
It's not a stretch to say Urban got out coached.
My thesis is that we DIDN'T need to play a perfect game because they were so thin in the secondary, and oh yeah they still gave up 49 against Purdue...42 by the offense. I think we underestimated ourselves and overestimated them based on the fact they had two secondary players injured and 1 ejected. The game plan should have switched at that point....we played into their strengths by run OZ, and yes there were massive holes but he was either injured, tired, or just not talented enough to make them pay. We moved the ball through the air at will. How many times did AM drop back and guys were all covered? Once, Twice...
The entire 3rd quarter was missed pass after missed pass. How is that moving the ball through the air at will?
Wrong...9 passes, 3 drops, 3 incompletions....1 drop was a TD, the other two were 3rd down completions...to extend drives. We had multiple drives where ran the ball twice and then threw on 3rd down...that is the definition of vanilla, safe...I think if you have an elite back it is fine...OZ could not turn the 4 yard run into a 15 yard run even though the space was there. It is more of a personnel thing for me rather than play calling...and AM also stopped running...OZ should be our 3rd option against big 10 defenses.
He should start his own board with oldjar. They can talk about stuff together that makes no sense.
come back with some data and facts...I pointed out OSU had a terrible secondary, they did...I pointed out we had big plays whenever we threw the ball down the field, we had 4 straight punts when we fed OZ and were forced to throw on 3rd down...then we were backed up and decided to throw 3 times in a row? I think Frost coached to keep the game close, not to attack and take advantage of them having nobody left in the secondary. When we threw in the 4th we marched the ball down the field. Where is your evidence that he made the right decision? We lost a winnable game, was not impressed by OSU in any facet, this was not a moral victory in the sense that we have the better qb, equal wrs, better secondary, good enough linebackers...their real advantage is upfront, and although we moved them we didn't have the talent at RB, with both both guys dinged to get the big plays that are needed to win on the road against a top 10 team. We could have won that game by two scores....
Let's see....
Went for it on 4th down on the first drive.
Onside kick (sort of) attempt
Called a halfback pass
Oh yeah, it was super conservative today. Smh. Just knock it off.
Went for it on 4th down on the first drive.
Onside kick (sort of) attempt
Called a halfback pass
Oh yeah, it was super conservative today. Smh. Just knock it off.
Oz should be 3rd option... sorry, but that is simply ridiculous… OZ should be our third option? Have you missed the last four games? For real? Seriously… Are you serious about this? You got to be joking, right?
Good one. You got me.
This is a fact… Data, if you will. We were three for nine passing in the third quarter. That’s six in completions. Deal with it.
Op should stop posting drunk. Just pathetic. You should give yourself a timeout.
My 6 year old niece said last week that they should only run the plays that work and not the ones that don't.
That's pretty much the same amount of stellar insight I'm getting from this thread.
That's pretty much the same amount of stellar insight I'm getting from this thread.
I guess I saw a different game in which we had several key dropped passes.
We also had a phantom pass interference on 3rd down which led to an OSU touchdown. I think we're about on a par with OSU but I think that says more about them than about us. Watch out next year though because we've turned the corner.
What does that have to do with attacking a secondary that was missing 3 players? If you follow my posting history you would see there is no more PRO-FROST poster than me, but I wonder if he even knew they were missing two starting corners...and after the ejection, I wonder if it even crossed his mind to start to attack deeper down the field. If OSU was healthy I would say great game plan, but they weren't and we let them off the hook.
No, my niece is from Neb and spent the game coloring.
I think I heard her mention something about special teams and penalties continuing to kill us though. Idk.
If you think NU should have ran less and passed more, maybe the way to say that is, "Frost should have ran less and passed more" - instead of suggesting that he's college football's version of Doc Sadler, working the clock to avoid getting blown out.
We were getting good gains going up the middle. The problem was when we needed to convert through the air our guys kept dropping. There was one play that killed our momentum in the third quarter and it was on a 2nd and 3 play and Martinez didn’t get the snap clean and got sacked for a loss. The next play we had Spielman wide open. Had we scored on that drive we would have gone up 28-16.
Once upon a time 9 win seasons were jokes in this forum. Now they are a dream. Of course there is a thread here stating next week is a huge game for our 2-7 season. Feels like we just woke up and discovered we are Kansas.
I bet when they break down film this week, Frost will say to his assistants, “Why didn’t anybody tell me they had 2 injured DBs? That would have been useful information! Also, one of you guys should have told me to go deep when their DB was ejected... that’s on you guys!”
You realize how silly it sounds to suggest Frost was unaware of OSU injuries to their DBs, right?
No, both injuries were expected to be healed for this game...one of them happened this past Tuesday, so there is no way Frost knew about one of them. The other will be healed by next week, so in theory both players were questionable to play or expected to play. It is very possible that they had a game plan that involved OSU having a healthyish secondary, and then the ejection made them very thin...just think if we were missing 3 guys in the secondary, and OSU only threw deep a few times...that would be idiotic...well that is what we did...I am sure Frost had a good reason, but it doesn't mean it didn't cost us. You guys need to step up your game with new information...we averaged 3.6 ypc...and had two banged up backs and refused to play anyone else...why not take some shots to win the game.
And you need to stop saying frost didn’t know who was on the field... that’s ridiculous.
Urban said in his press conference they were playing off to avoid the big play. We took what what was open. So I disagree.