....and yet I remember going to Oscar's pizza, and exactly what I ordered, and who I was with....as I watched that nightmare of a game. Thanks, I had actually managed to forget about that...
Frost and Kelly
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....and yet I remember going to Oscar's pizza, and exactly what I ordered, and who I was with....as I watched that nightmare of a game. Thanks, I had actually managed to forget about that...
Scott's way of doing things, hurts as well as helps him... what I mean by it, is he doesn't take the fastest road from point A to point B.. it's as if he takes the most painful road, but somehow going through that pain, allows him to solve it in the end. At least that is how I sort of see him. He's not going to change direction, until he has to.. whether that was playing QB at Stanford, or any of a multitude of issues that followed him in coming back to NU and having to start over.
Being headstrong is both an asset and a liability. If you just give him a huge runway, that's not going to motivate him. Scott likes challenges. Being challenged, even by the fan base, helps give him fuel to not only march on, but to prove us wrong.
I feel like we would all be doing Scott a favor, by being hard on him. Demanding excellence of him and the team. Put pressure on him. That is how Scott wins. At least that is what I believe.
The worst thing we could do is sit back and just extend his contract and hope he figures it out someday.
Being headstrong is both an asset and a liability. If you just give him a huge runway, that's not going to motivate him. Scott likes challenges. Being challenged, even by the fan base, helps give him fuel to not only march on, but to prove us wrong.
I feel like we would all be doing Scott a favor, by being hard on him. Demanding excellence of him and the team. Put pressure on him. That is how Scott wins. At least that is what I believe.
The worst thing we could do is sit back and just extend his contract and hope he figures it out someday.
Yeah agree, If Kelly can't get to at least 8 wins this year I bet he is fired. Frost is safe for at least another 2 no matter what.
under normal circumstances I would agree about UCLA firing Kelly, but that contract is huge, has a huge buyout and the UC system is broke and a bunch of the donors aren't about to buy out another contract and pay the next guy. Then throw in Covid and all the other stuff going on, schools are broke, donors are cautious and will be frugal going forward for a couple of years.
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How likely is this when he could cost the kid at least $153k in NIL / Social Media Influencer funds?
How likely is this when he could cost the kid at least $153k in NIL / Social Media Influencer funds?
Exactly. Fool me once. Fickel has played other teams as well that run that Oregon style offense and he's a former DC. He's very familiar with what Frost does and the concepts of his offense. He's got plenty of film to study. His guys will be ready for whatever Frost throws at him. It will come down to execution and athletes. Cinci has quite a few P5 type athletes on their roster as evidenced by their final ranking last year. QB play as always will be huge for us.
A lot of over analysis in this thread.
Frost and Kelly took over two of the least talented rosters in their respective conferences. They also inherited a lot of kids from California who cared more about Instagram than football.
Kelly forced out half his roster.
Frost was stuck with the worst LB, RB, WR, and OL depth in the conference.
Frost and Kelly took over two of the least talented rosters in their respective conferences. They also inherited a lot of kids from California who cared more about Instagram than football.
Kelly forced out half his roster.
Frost was stuck with the worst LB, RB, WR, and OL depth in the conference.
Well my bet is that if they ever want to get rid of Kelly they will be able to find something in his behavior/actions that negates the buy out clause. Kelly isn't exactly an angel.
well there was the recruiting scandal back at Oregon that drew some scrutiny. My impression was that was one of the major reasons Chip fled the coop for the NFL.
we are talking about UCLA right? Not sure if UCLA wanted to fire him because he had some stuff in his past that they could fire him for cause. Considering you and I knew about it, I would assume they knew about it too, BEFORE they hired him.
My point is that Chip isn't above doing something that would get him fired. All it would take is ONE kid to come forward with an accusation of racism and they could can him if they wished. In this climate there wouldn't even have to be evidence.
Anyone that knows Frost seems to suggest he is a very stubborn and confident person. Yes that can be good and bad. Good that Frost came here to fix Nebraska and Im going to bet if given enough time he will get it done. Bad that he may fail to adjust players and coaches that might need to move on until its to late. I believe Dewitt and Walters moving on was his doing. That shows he is at least willing to make some changes fairly early on in this process.
I know I have mentioned this before, but I 100% believe Frost took this job not realizing, 1. How bad of shape Nebraska football was in and 2. Not realizing how good of conference the BIG10 is from top to bottom. I believe he thought he could plug and play what he did at UCF and everything would fall into place just as quickly and easily. 2 years in he is now realizing he is going to have to rework and make changes. I think Dewitt and Walters proved that. Now if bigger changes need to be made in the near future will he be able to recognize them and do it?
That's cool, but I can't agree that Nebraska was in that bad of shape (I think this is the excuse everyone is using), but Scott ran off a lot of talent that didn't fit his system, and he knew that going in.
I don't find any fault with that. We saw Riley try to do his system with current players, and that was a mess too. So I have no problems with his approach and he rebuilt the roster pretty quickly.
I also don't think the conference we are in had any bearing on his decision. Scott already had an idea of running his system, and had just experienced a lot of success with it, so he was fairly confident in what he was doing.
I do think Scott was always going to take the job because it was a bit of a challenge and his prior history and relationship with Tom. The way I saw the situation, I think Scott considered what people would think if he didn't take the job.
In life, we don't always do things because of a desire to do them, but sometimes out of an obligation or a desire to not go through the pain of the other option (like telling Osborne no).
This may or may not be correct, just my interpretation at this point in time.
We'll see. As I recall he had some shady recruiting stuff going on once and his mouth could get him in trouble because today things are a lot more sensitive/touchy than they used to be. But I will admit I don't know the exact wording of his contract.
But in today's environment it doesn't have to even be a technical contract violation. If you offend the right people you can be toast because you can no longer operate effectively due to popular pressure. If that's the case you might be willing to negotiate down the buy out.
Wow, my instinct says your listed #1 & #2 is 100% on the money. Or at least 90% or so.
But still, he's a sharp dude and I believe (and/or "want" to believe) he'll turn things around. I'm betting he'll excel. But if he doesn't NU will end up endlessly in the Clownahan/Smiling Mike bucket of sh*t.
I guess we'll just have to hope for the best.
Wow, my instinct says your listed #1 & #2 is 100% on the money. Or at least 90% or so.
But still, he's a sharp dude and I believe (and/or "want" to believe) he'll turn things around. I'm betting he'll excel. But if he doesn't NU will end up endlessly in the Clownahan/Smiling Mike bucket of sh*t.
I guess we'll just have to hope for the best.
I go back and forth on this. I can see and support both sides of the, "if Frost can't do it nobody can argument." I tend to lean toward the side of If Frost can't do it nobody can. We have a guy who understand 100% what Nebraska is and and he wants more than anything to get it back. I have no doubt he will do everything he knows how to, to try and return us to greatness. He has a history of success everywhere else he has been. We have tried many other coaches over the last 20 years and still no success. If he fails who else could possible come in and make this work? I think the advantages we held 20-50 years ago are long gone. We don't live in a recruiting hotbed to be able to suck up local talent. So what coach would #1 Be able to come here with our disadvantages and accomplish would 5 other coaches couldn't. #2 why would they want to? Almost all p5 schools have the abilities to pay coaches top dollar now. All have top level facilities. We aren't going to be able to pull away a top level coach with more pay and better facilities. So why go to a place like Nebraska when you could go to a place like Mississippi st with better recruiting option.
I think we are getting to the point that IF Frost does not work out we are going to be forced to take chance after chance on p5 assistants or lower level HCs. I am afraid we will also become a stepping stone school with any good coach looking to bail and go to a more desirable place with better/ easier recruiting.
I know the counter to this will be our history. That top coaches will want to come here because of our history. I think we are getting to far past our good years for that to really matter to recruits or coaches. We are on the same playing field as most every other middle of the road/ struggling program.
please elaborate on the bolded statements above
he had 2 years of head coaching experience - none at a power 5 school - he does not have a long track record of head coaching success at this lower level - he has a single year of success
and we hired a lower level head coach (group of 6) -
anytime you hire a lower level head coach to take over a power 5 school you are taking a chance -
I completely agree, and this is obvious to anyone looking objectively at the hire
which is why the 'must win now' people are so perplexing
talk about having your cake and eating it, too
I find it funny that the national champions hire bo pelini and frost can't even make it to .500
somehow, this is sold as progress to the fanbase
but hey, he knows Nebraska and all that mumbo jumbo..
Maybe hiring a "Nebraska" guy was a dumb move.
They sure aren't paying him 'newcomer' money either.
At least you got your money's worth with Bo.. with Frost, it's just a ripoff.
somehow, this is sold as progress to the fanbase
but hey, he knows Nebraska and all that mumbo jumbo..
Maybe hiring a "Nebraska" guy was a dumb move.
They sure aren't paying him 'newcomer' money either.
At least you got your money's worth with Bo.. with Frost, it's just a ripoff.
Success isn't usually achieved just as an HC or Business owner or Doctor or whatever. Usually when you look back at their past they are driven and have had success in every area. We know his success as a player here at Nebraska both in high and college. We know his success as an assistant and what he did at UCF. Yes it was one year, but going 12-0 no matter the level is tough thing to do and usually doesn't happen just out of luck.
Very few programs have the luxury to hire a seasoned HC with ton of P5 HC success. Dabo had zero HC experience when he took over at ClemsonAt the time we hired Frost he was the top available coach in the country and would bet there wasn't a program in the country who wouldn't have wanted him if given the opportunity. All just knew he was coming to Neb so they didn't try, except Florida. Who was turned down.
Bottom line many want to say he is a failure and will always be a failure as an HC based on 2 years. Yet ignore the decades of success he has had everywhere else. Im not saying Frost will go on and be the best HC since TO. Im saying when looking at his long past he usually finds a way to get it done. 2 years in you can't say he will or wont yet.
all the reasons you stated are valid reasons why he was hired
they really have little to any bearing on whether he will ultimately be a successful power 5 head coach
the majority of power 5 coaches were successful midmajor coaches or coordinator/assistants - there are a lot of coaches that meet these criteria that didn't succeed at power 5 schools
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Right, there is nothing that says a coach will be successful when taking over a program. Even a successful P5 coach is no guarantee. Every programs has its own unique set of challenges. I am not arguing the fact that Frost will or won't succeed here. Nobody knows. Just saying the hire was valid at the time and is still to soon to say he won't succeed.
Now I will say most coaches who do end up having a successful career at a school have some form of success at least by year 3. So if Frost has another 5 or even 6 win season. I think the hope that he turns this around to a NC level or even Conf Championship team is pretty slim. It is time he steps up and proves he is a P5 level HC.
Yes sir, it's a tough call. As you pointed out if HCSF doesn't hack it we're about 99% sure to be in deep, deep doo-doo and will be at best a Minnesota clone. Yes, I too think the odds are overwhelming against NU bouncing back after a HCSF failure. I'm betting he's our last chance......we'll see.
C'mon SF.....you can hack it!!