Sure you are! You just realized everyone thinks it's an ignorant take so you're backing off it.
Fredrick & Carr Game
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I really don't care what anyone else thinks, you should know that by now.
It's a freaking message board, where people post opinions and thoughts. My opinion is, we have 4 ace recruiters that, at one time, pulled some big rabbits out of their hats, so my list of "wants" is not that far fetched and it's not like I said "CAL BETTER GET THESE GUYS OR ELSE… ", no, I simply stated that it would be awesome if we got certain players, you turned it into a ridiculous argument, which is what you like to do.
Sure you do! If not, you wouldn't repeatedly run back to constantly defend yourself. If you honestly didn't care, you wouldn't have the need to do so countless times everyday.
You implied they would be failures if they couldn't bring in multiple of those guys. Now you are trying to downplay what you said because you are realizing how ridiculous everyone thinks it is.
This is simply not true. In fact, Cal told Ulis he did not expect him to be a 4 year player, and is the reason Ulis picked UK over Michigan St. Ulis and Booker ended up being OK with it, but they expected the twins to leave.
Impossible, no I wouldn't say it's impossible, just think it is highly, highly unlikely. I simply think that the examples that you used do not support a history of Cal and his assistants pulling something like this off. I also think there has been a shift in players mentality post 2015, which is when several top end players started going to schools where they could be the star, and not just one of the stars.
It would be nice to have a high end starter and back-up at every position, and then a couple of good players beyond that, especially if you can keep everybody happy. If Cal was being open and honest, I think he would tell you he would like to send 4-5 guys to the NBA every year, with 1-2 of those guys being freshmen, 1-2 being sophomores, 1-2 being juniors and/or seniors. So he would like to sign about a 5 man class every year consisting of a couple of OAD, can't miss prospects, a couple of guys that could get there year 2 or so, and a guy or 2 that would take 3-4 years to get there. Maybe even a player or 2 beyond that. A roster that looks like:
5 freshmen
3 sophomores
2 Juniors
1 Senior
That is what I think Cal's ideal roster is. That would be 10 high end guys. Having said that, Cal also likes a 7-8 man rotation, with those 7-8 being clearly better than the rest. But every time he has had that type of set-up, the couple of guys that don't play much transfer. He is just better when he only has 7-8 guys expecting to play, as chemistry seems to be better with those teams. He got Lamb to take a back seat his freshman year, but I think that is harder than most realize, as most guys in the top 100 expect to play at least 15-20 minutes a game. I would be thrilled with this roster:
TyTy
Fredrick
Grady
Collins
Oscar
Brooks
Toppin
Hopkins
Ware
If he could get another player or 2 and keep those guys happy, I'm all for it.
What the hell? I implied they would be failures? Take a break man.
I simply tried to defend my thoughts on it. My God you're impossible.
Seems you are definitely insinuating it would be a failure and they wouldn't have earned their worth and reputations if they couldn't pull it off.
In the first quote, I literally said "I think these guys can pull it off", can you not read? How does that insinuate they would be failures??? It insinuates the exact opposite.
In the second quote, you conveniently left out the post I was responding to, I was being sarcastic.
Nice try Lead Belly.
Your first quote says "IF these guys are such good recruiters, I think they can pull it off." You're literally implying to be considered as their reputations suggest of good recruiters, they should be able to land 2 top level guys for 1 spot.
The second quotes are literally your beliefs, there is no sarcasm to it.
Lol, so why the sudden shift from your initial beliefs? Starting to realize how ridiculous they sounded?
No, I didn't say "I think" they can pull it off, I said "I feel like" they can pull it off. Big difference. Quit trying to spin what I said.
My second post most certainly was sarcasm, it's dripping with sarcasm.
This is such a dumb conversation. You need friends.
Are your feelings not your thoughts? Are you saying you feel they can pull it off but don't think they will?
It's not at all. It's literally the same thing you have regurgitated in threads for months now.
I agree it's a dumb conversation. Thinking we would get 2 high level guards for 1 starting spot is dumb as hell. Thinking the coaches would be failures for not doing so is even dumber. Glad you agree!
I never alluded to anyone being a failure. Why is this such a struggle for you?Are your feelings not your thoughts? Are you saying you feel they can pull it off but don't think they will?
It's not at all. It's literally the same thing you have regurgitated in threads for months now.
I agree it's a dumb conversation. Thinking we would get 2 high level guards for 1 starting spot is dumb as hell. Thinking the coaches would be failures for not doing so is even dumber. Glad you agree!
And if Cal is going to change his offense to a 4 guard set, it is easy to see that he could play two top shelf point guards at one time. This ain't hard to understand, but you're choking on it for some reason.
Sure you did! You literally said, "Probably, but if these guys are such good recruiters, I feel like they can pull it off." I am not sure what you know about logic, but the contrapositive of your premise is that if they don't pull it off, they aren't good recruiters. Anything else just negates your initial premise. That's, like, logic 101.
I think it's pretty easy to see with our stable of forwards and centers, we aren't playing 4 guards much. And why the hell would you want Carr for a 4 out offense. He can't shoot! Not to mention, when you already have 4 guards on the roster who all expect 20+mpg, you are going to have a much harder time recruiting somone to come in and play a smaller role than what they previously had. Particularly when they are working to increase their draft stock. Most teams aren't encouraging players to go back to school and play less. 3 of the guy you mentioned are currently trying out for the NBA, the 4th is a projected 1st rounder next year. None of them are taking a reduced role or sharing their minutes with another starter type. I am not sure how you aren't seeing that.
FYI, you wasted a lot of time typing all that out, I read none if it. The conversation is stupid and it's over.