More than you know... I don’t think most of us would go that route. I wish he would keep his mouth shut about the players and deal with it in house if it needs to be dealt with. Don’t think too many disagree with that, but if anyone does, feel free to share you’re thoughts.
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If he can’t really a fan base that welcomed him
More than any other coach before than I do question if the players truly believe in him. Especially the older guys who maybe don’t feel as part of it.
It’s just doubt it my kind and I hope I’m wrong
If I interpreted your post correctly, then I guess we’ll have to wait and see what next year brings, if the players will get behind him. I believe they will.
Oh so TF didn't specifically state that "Frost" can't get it done. So now the actual TF quote enters your imagination and there is no way TF could have meant someone else? Doesn't matter dude - we have Frost for a long time and we better hope that you and TF are wrong saying Frost cannot get it done. I think the football program is in disarray and it was left to Frost in such a state, but I have hope (and bet most do) that Frost will make the right decisions and get this going the right direction. Did TO start off great?
Everyone in this thread is saying this is about Frost. You yourself even said this message was for Frost and that he needs to get his crap together. What in the world are you talking about? I am left to assume that you must be a troll just continuing to come back and make crap up. I don’t know where you’re coming from. You said Frazier was talking about Frost. Now you’re saying he’s not? Help me out here…
TF was a great player but as a coach he was a complete idiot. Couldn't even field a team for a game because he kicked off too many players. Got fired. But, yeah, his tweets should be taken as someone who is a genius. The intelligence of some on this message board is pretty low.
Naw, you just suck at interpretation. I know what I read. I know what you said. Not taking the bait anymore.
You could be right. He said almost exactly the exact same thing about the starting QB when his nephew or cousin (can't remember which he was) was at NU.
Sorry don't agree, Tommy never got involved with the Doane program as he felt it was more important to recruit junior college players than Nebraska Kids. The guy lived in Omaha while he coached at Doane. he trimmed the roster alright, he trimmed it by the way he treated players.
Never happened. Urban myth. It's particularly sad when NU fans perpetuate it.
Oh, and the steroids ********. I suggest that you talk to people at the NCAA like I did. The person I exchanged about twenty emails with knew just that I was a football fan, not an NU fan. Yet he gushed about what NU had done to fight steroid use. The NCAA banned the use of steroids during their 1986 spring meeting. However, one Division 1 school banned the use of steroids by all athletes earlier than that. One and only one. That school was NU, who banned the use of steroids by all athletes in February, 1984. Back then, testing was in its infancy and to a great extent it was the honor system. Still, according to the NCAA expert on banned substances that I spoke with NU was always on the forefront of testing. He then sent me to a reporter for the Minneapolis newspaper, who had researched steroid use. This was before NU joined the Big 10, so he had little information other than general information. However, he sent me to a reporter at the Des Moines Register who had done a lot of research on steroid use in the Big 8/12. She basically said the same thing the guy at the NCAA said: that NU was probably one of the cleanest team as far as use of banned substances after 1984. I heard TO state more than once that despite the testing NU did, he accepted that every year there were 1 or 2 guys who beat the system. Ways to beat testing are always ahead of testing. But that doesn't change the fact NU has been on the cutting edge of testing and prevention of the use of banned substances.
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See post below your last post to me out of control D-bag poster. Maybe the nuance I am referring to coming from another person will sink into your thick head as a possibility. Also, there were other posters...earlier in this same thread that were making similar considerations about TF’s tweet being about multiple people or someone other than Coach Frost. I imagine u being the kinda dude that gets off even bullying his dog.
I get it now... you think he was talking to Adrian. One winner to another winner, telling him to get his ***** together.
Glad to see you think Adrian is a winner. Cuz that’s the only other interpretation that can be made. Or maybe, you are nuancing one of our walk ons?
Juat admit you were talking about frost and be done with it. I may be thick-headed at times, but I’m not stupid. You yourself said one winner to another winner. One winner is Tommie. Who is the other? 8-15 Adrian? Cuz most on here aren’t referring to him as a winner...
yep. He's climbed the ladder from grad assistant all the way to a P5 head coach making $5 million per year and multiple big time programs wanted him when we hired him. Does TF have a job right now?
Tommie has turned into a bitter old man. Just about everything he says goes in one ear and out the other.
pretty sure he is pissed and butthurt that SF won't allow him access to the team, unlike JP and others who come in all the time. TF is a crybaby and his rants and negativity don't help with getting a better culture in the locker room. I hope he just shuts up.
1) 2017 UCF is a 9-4 team in a P5 conference. UCF was 31-9 in the 3 seasons prior to 0-12. In other words, there was talent on hand.
2) Auburn didn't want to be there.
3) Lots of coaches have/had impressive resumes as assistants....even the ones you think suck.
4) Mike MacIntyre....1-11 at San Jose State in 2010....10-2 in 2012 at SJSU.....2016 Walter Camp Coach of the Year at Colorado....fired after two 5-7 seasons in 2017 and 2018. COTY doesn't mean much if you don't keep winning.
Given the way Moos extended Frost, this has to be the call, 100% support for the entirety of the contract. All-in.
Nebraska seems to make a lot of bad decisions lately. I actually think Frost can improve and will work hard to do it, what I question going into Spring and Fall workouts is his ability to recruit and motivate young men...is he a genuine person and someone who can lead? What is his core like? Who is this guy truly and what is his character?
Also, where are the bagmen and raging walk-on program? What is his team's identity? So many questions into 2020
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Great post. Frost can be brilliant but he's lost that ability in a hailstorm of self-doubt, pressure, over-analysis, whatever it is.
He stuck with Martinez too long, there is no excuse for not benching the kid until he started to play better. TO stuck with Scott too so he's trying to figure out what personnel moves to make and he seems stubborn and unwilling to see what is happening on the field.
Same with his play-calling. Now routes quick throws, maybe he thinks if he doesn't spread it around the field we become quickly one-dimensional with our lack of play-makers (and whose fault is that Scott?)
Time will tell but I know Frost's personality-type, I've seen guys like this and while he would have probably turned around a FSU he may or may not have this success at Nebraska. And we aren't hedging our bets at this point.
I always hate seeing the argument you used for “point two” and it’s not just you in this instance it’s everyone saying oh we’d be x-x in that conference or we should have went x-x that year because we had the talent.... the reason I have an issue is because that is purely speculation nothing factual about it no one knows what what they would have done in a power 5 conference because they’re not it one, the other issue I have is the whole Auburn didn’t want to be there... I mean seriously it don’t matter if they wanted to be there or not, they still showed up to play the game, I mean yes I understand they wanted to be playing for a National Championship, but you don’t think the UCF and Frost did t want to either? You think they wanted to be In that bowl? Nope they wanted to be the same place Auburn wanted to be... Now I suppose you’ll use the argument of UCF Had more to prove and the reality both teams had the same thing to prove, they both wanted to prove the selection committee got it wrong and they should have been in the playoffs... so that leave the last question, if Auburn didn’t want to be there, or prove that the should have been in the playoffs... then did they just play to lose to prove a point? Because that doesn’t pass the common sense test, the only point that would prove is that the selection committee got it right on them, I assure you both teams wanted to be in the playoffs, and both teams showed up to the game, and both teams wanted to win that game, that’s just the competitive nature of it all... if UCF would have lost would you be saying they lost cuz they didn’t want to be there? I bet not... I bet you’d say they lost because they didn’t belong or you’d continue to use it to try and say HCSF can’t coach vs the big boys... the bottom line HCSF and UCF won that game....
Oh the irony. This coming from the guy who put Wisconsin and Ohio St on warning saying
Frost is about to leave them in the dust. Frost can’t even make the toiled bowl. Laughing
He has been critical of Frost from the very start. Not sure if they have had their issues in the past. I don't believe they like each other for whatever reason. What he is saying isn't unwarranted. Anyone that can't see Frost has made many mistakes is blind. However, considering Tommie was a miserable failure as a coach, Im not sure he is the best guy to judge if a coach can or can't get it done.
All players who seem to be around the program more frequently, still have confidence ( Peter, Wistrom, Carriker, ect ) They see the inner workings, the players emotions/ buy in. The little day to day things that are improving. They probably also know how bad it really was internally. No Im not saying they are there every day, but they seem to have more access. I believe Frazier has no more access than any of us and is only viewing the W-L and what can be viewed from the outside.
I will admit when I first read it this was my initial thought on who he meant. Then after seeing people saying he meant Frost, Frost seems to make more sense.
I'm not saying UCF didn't win the game......
1) Lower and mid-tier bowls tend to mean more to mid-major conferences than they do to teams from P5 that expected to be (and often are) somewhere else and faltered at the end.
2) Having a month to prepare for one SEC team (or B1G...or Big XII) is different than seeing 8 of them during the course of the year.
3) No....I don't think Auburn lost to prove a point....but you can't with a straight face tell me that the Auburn team in the Peach Bowl was the same one as the Auburn team that beat Alabama and Georgia earlier in the year.
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you responded pretty much how I expected you to respond
1.) I wouldn’t really call the peach bowl a low or mid tier bowl, since it does rotate in the the playoffs as a semi final game... it was/ is a big game for both programs and like I said before neither team felt that they should be out of the playoffs..
2.) you are correct in regards preparing vs one team for a month vs preparing for the whole gauntlet of teams for a whole year, but that doesn’t change the fact that what their record would be is purely speculation, before Auburn and UCF played there was a lot of speculation that Auburn would pound UCF, but the reality is UCF still won... the reality is that Auburn also had a month to prepare for UCF as well.
3.) Again I do understand what you’re saying, but the reality is that, that was the same Auburn team that beat those teams, maybe they came out flat, or the players were not hyped, but it’s foolish to say that the teams don’t play to win.. Perhaps Auburn severely underestimated UCF and took that game lightly, which is what I believe is more on par with the point you’re trying to make... but again both teams showed up to play, both teams had a point to prove, both teams wanted to be in the playoffs, both teams played to win... there are no excuses to be made for Auburn losing other then they got out coached/ played in that game... because using the theory of its easier to plan for one game vs a power 5 team vs 5 games, it’s also easier to plan for one game vs perceived lower division team especially when you have a month, and if we are going to go with perceptions then the perception would also be that since Auburn is from a Far better conference then they had far better talent, so then I’d have to say since UCF won with lesser talent then they won because of the coaching
Yes...Auburn was the same human beings in the same jerseys.
1) I don't think Auburn viewed it as being as big of a game as UCF.
2) Yes, UCF won. I just don't believe that, if they play 10 times, UCF wins more than 3 of them. Yes....on the one day it mattered, they did.
3) I think Auburn knew they weren't a playoff team by then-- they were 10-3....about 2 more losses than a playoff team usually has. They got outplayed....because they didn't show up like they did for the Iron Bowl.
4) I guess if you want to say that UCF won because of superior coaching, then I guess Indiana, Purdue, and Colorado won because of superior coaching, since Nebraska had better talent....so we're right back to Frost being overrated.
I respect Carriker's opinion immensely. He lived through Frank's head coaching days and played in the NFL. He's an extremely bright football mind and IMO about as objective and realistic about Husker football can be for someone who still bleeds scarlet and cream.
I think it’s funny that there was a time when Jason Peter went on rants about past coaches and people called him a nut job, but now use his tweets as a voice of reason when Tommie goes on a rant. As former players, I feel they all deserve a voice to rant or support. Not everyone will have the same opinion. I just take them as being passionate for the team they played for. Sometimes it comes off the same as us fans.