Fox getting slammed
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Made contact with the arm only after blocking the ball. OG not only doesn't lean into Fox, he actually jumps away from him. Fox initiates the contact with his off arm and body, and jumps into OG's space. Defenders don't have to jump parallel to the offensive player—the key is who initiates the contact. The league's reference to "brushing arms on a pure vertical jump" is just one example of legal incidental contact, not a requirement for every legal block.
OG Anunoby blocks De'Aaron Fox on crucial late layup attempt - ESPN Video
Trust me, if this same situation happens tonight, Spurs make a comeback at home and on a potential game-changing block, Stephen Castle touches ball yet makes additional contact.. its not getting called a foul to give the away team the win.
Im not saying that's right.. im just saying that's how it goes in almost every sport. A close and very much judgemental call? Tie goes to the runner (or home team). Now, if he never touched the ball at all? Then you probably do see it called.
Im not saying that's right.. im just saying that's how it goes in almost every sport. A close and very much judgemental call? Tie goes to the runner (or home team). Now, if he never touched the ball at all? Then you probably do see it called.
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Watching your clip on repeat. Pretty obviously a foul. I disagree with your assessment of how the contact occurs. Plainly a missed call IMO.
Yes tomorrow. I always forget they do two days off in between the switch. I keep thinking its just every other day.
Yeah, that’s almost never ever gonna get called in that situation. Contact didn't occur until well after the ball had already been blocked and had no impact on the outcome of the play. That’s pretty much the definition of “incidental.”
And it should be noted that absolutely nobody thought it was a foul at the time. It wasn’t until the next day when Spurs fan started closely examining the clip in search of contact that this became a debate point. As a general rule, if one has to work that hard to try to find a foul then it was a good no call.
Obvious foul
A no call, but replays don't lie, it's why they have them. But when it's critical to an ending like this, where the hell are they.
... and why is there a thread about Fox getting slammed ? I'm getting mad now !
Fox2Monk is one of my Fav posters. Been here forever ! Why is everyone getting on his case ? That ain't right. I, for one, will gladly stand up and vouch for Fox. He makes great decisions and is a stalwart ....
waitaminute ..... who ... ???
D'Aaron Fox ? ummmmm .....
Fox2Monk is one of my Fav posters. Been here forever ! Why is everyone getting on his case ? That ain't right. I, for one, will gladly stand up and vouch for Fox. He makes great decisions and is a stalwart ....
waitaminute ..... who ... ???
D'Aaron Fox ? ummmmm .....
That's a situation where replay should be used because the refs always swallow the whistle there with only 3 exceptions, those 3 being in college and the guy shooting plays for Duke or UNCheat or the defensive player plays for Kentucky.
True. But there are missed calls/bad calls every game against both teams.
That play didn’t beat the Spurs. The other 47 minutes and 50 seconds beat the Spurs.
That's cool. I'll take the word of the league office AND De'Aaron Fox, good block.
Fox was asked why he made the choice he did and the 28-year-old explained himself, and ultimately gave credit to Anunoby.
“Try to get a layup, get up three and force them to need a three,” Fox said. “OG made a good block.”
Do you disagree with De'Aaron ?
I think thats why his decision isn't an automatic open and shut decision. Because he was going to get fouled not with just 2-3 seconds, but probably with 8 or 9 left. I do think the most logical play is to attempt to run it out, but the game would not have been over. Fox shoots two free throws, Spurs go up 3, but Knicks would have advanced it with plenty of time to hit a 3, OR hit a 2, and attempt another turnover.
Yeah 12-13 seconds left up one, that's not a bad decision. He should have went stronger, maybe a dunk attempt that would have forced a foul.
Fox could have dribbled for several seconds before any Knick caught him. Look at the tape - no other Knick was within 30 feet of him & OG could not have caught him quickly
Nah, there was a steam train of Knicks coming down the floor trailing. My guess is he'd be at the line with 9 seconds, which puts them in a very good position if they hit the free throws. If anyone is saying being up 3 and a dead ball with 9 seconds left isn't a good place to be, they don't know what they are talking about. SA could have started following for the 2 as an option. There would be a 90% chance of winning.
Now Mitch is clueless, so he could botch that.
This. The people here claiming there was a foul are barking up the wrong tree. If you want to defend Fox, then defend the decision itself, because it was NOT nearly as bad of a decision as folks have made it sound.
People have been making it sound like he could’ve dribbled out the clock, which is total nonsense. He would’ve been quickly fouled, then have to hit a couple free throws, then the Knicks STILL get the ball back with plenty of time to get a good shot up.
I think it makes nearly equal sense to instead go for the layup when you’ve got an open lane and are one of the fastest players in the world. And he’d be praised for it now if it had been nearly anyone besides Anunoby trailing him at the time.
I started the thread. I wasn't trashing Fox, just pointing out that Barkley, Shaq and others were ripping him over his decision.
I have a question. What if he dribbled to the corner and threw the ball high in the air? Is that an illegal play?
To me, if you're going to blame one person for the loss, which is the wrong thing to do, blame the coach for the final defensive play. Some have asked why Wembanyana was out guarding Brunson and not down low to rebound. I say why wasn't he guarding the inbounding player? Imagine trying to get a ball in over him.
I have a question. What if he dribbled to the corner and threw the ball high in the air? Is that an illegal play?
To me, if you're going to blame one person for the loss, which is the wrong thing to do, blame the coach for the final defensive play. Some have asked why Wembanyana was out guarding Brunson and not down low to rebound. I say why wasn't he guarding the inbounding player? Imagine trying to get a ball in over him.
it’s not illegal, it just would’ve been INSANELY stupid.
why would you even suggest it?
I think Fox is an easy fall guy in the moment because of one play. I talked about the coach being terrible, but how about Wemby? He might not have made a single glaring mistake like Fox.. but hes the supposed next best player in the world. Hes a freak athlete who could be a cheat code on the floor. And he just kept shooting 3s. Lacked rebounding in the 2nd half. He commits silly technicals. He talked trash a little too soon to a team that never quits and already came back on you.
By the time he gets to the corner there's five seconds left. He heaves it high in the air, by the time it comes down there's maybe one second left and the Knicks have no real chance to get something off. Why do you tell a player to miss a free throw on purpose with a lead?
You are totally laughably wrong.
There were still around 13 seconds left when Fox took that ball. If he’d just run to the corner and intentionally heaved it away it would be remembered as one the stupidest plays in all of sports history.
People aren't making enough of KAT's tip of the inbounds pass on the last play, Castle was wide open for the alley oop and the Knicks would have lost for sure.
I blame the Spurs coach. When you're up 29 you don't make it a run and gun 3 point contest.
At 13 seconds yes, that would be insane. I thought it was down to eight when Anunoby blocked his shot. I'm suggesting faking the shot and dribbling to the far corner from that point, not from when he first got the ball.
Once a defender makes primary contact with the ball, subsequent arm-to-arm contact, as part of a natural follow-through, is deemed "incidental" rather than a foul. [1]
The Exception: Rule 12, Section V
A foul is only called if the follow-through involves excessive or dangerous force. If the defender's action is a standard, natural contest (as seen in the OG Anunoby block), the secondary contact is legal. [1]
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He wasn’t going to dribble 11 seconds off the clock. Good grief.
I'm not getting into whether it was a foul or wasn't, I can concede there's cases for both positions, but Fox doesn't strike me as the kind of player to blame the refs and I'm glad he answered the questions like this. I def don't trust the league office though.
De'Aaron Fox calls out refs for 'swallowing their whistle' in playoff games - Yahoo Sports
He did in the Portland series.
No way an referee is going to call that a foul in the closing seconds of a tight game.