When you look at the stats, it sure does look like we lost because Depaul shot 33 free throws to our 6.
Can you blame the refs or is there a logical reason for this?
Can you blame the refs or is there a logical reason for this?
Foul Disparity - DePaul
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Mostly due to the fact that our ball handlers dribble too much, settle for a lot of fade away jumpers as if they are Kobe, or execute the offense to where you put no pressure on the opposing team to defend or draw fouls. I'm done blasting the.refs anymore, it's our team doing it to themselves, self inflicted sometimes.
We were playing defense with our hands instead of feet. That always leads to fouls. Stupid reaching fouls.
DePaul had emotion and energy. We had arrogance and disinterest.
I'm not done in one, I'm just saying this isn't the first time, first game, or even first year that this foul disparity has existed in year 6 with Pike. Defense is important but man it always feels like they sell out for great defense and lose all offensive identity. Why do they start most games with like 3 or 4 "heat check-like" 3 PT attempts by each of our quote unquote great shooters in the first 4-5 minutes, that has been happening since 2019-20. We always blame Boroski, or Courtney Green, or whatever other ref for their loss. How many times are we as fans continuing to blame the zebras for their own style of offensive and defensive play and execution on the court. It's self reflection day in what those players, especially the returning ones, are doing for 40 minutes on the court and not how good they look or shoot "in practice" or in shoot around.defended by no one or a team manager
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Stop it. Their starting center only played 20 minutes because of foul trouble. The game was called fairly, we were just way more undisciplined.
No, I was saying the thread was done because the first response (your response) completely answered the question.
This game was in many instances a carbon copy of the loss to Houston in the NCAA Tournament.Rutgers had ample opportunities to put these games in the win column but scoring droughts allowed the opponents to hang around .They won the games by driving to the basket resulting in excessive fouling by Rutgers.Both teams also excelled in getting offensive rebounds.After four games there are some obvious problem areas.On defense the Rutgers players lack the lateral quickness to stop drives to the basket without fouling.They also allow too many back door passes for easy layups.On offense the team is totally dependent on Baker and Harper to score in high double figures.Most of the rest of the players are complementary scorers in the 4-8 point range which simply isn't enough points to win games against power conference opponents.Hyatt should be starting because he would give Rutgers a third scoring threat on the court.The bench players don't compare to Pikiell teams on offense or defense. of the past two seasons.
That’s a huge issue. If Baker or Ron has an off game, or heaven forbid were to get hurt for a few weeks, where does the offense come from? Last couple years Mathis, Young, Yeboah all had it in them to score 15-20 in a game if they played well. Nobody on our roster has that ability or aggression to put up points.
That kind of HUGE disparity cannot be explained by type of play. We lost, but the game was not called fairly.
The game was definitely lost due to foul shot differential. From my TV vantage point it did seem that the game was not poorly called but rather it was due to DePaul being more active on both the D and Offensive boards as well as RU's relative & overall lack of penetration into the lane for shots / which would tend to draw more fouls.
That’s the road game syndrome for you but we did a lot of that to ourselves too. First half wasn’t great for us but second half was pretty evenly called I thought.
Of course it can. Have you watched our offense? What fouls do you think we are drawing?
There were at least 3 flops by DePaul players that were called fouls on our guys, a couple other fouls (Cliff's 4th I think and definitely the play near end of game where the DePaul player travelled not called and instead they gave Paul a foul) were bad. But tbh those bad calls shouldn't have cost us this game.
I feel there should be a rule, if team A has taken 8 or more foul shots than team B, team A does not get shooting fouls. Foul still counts against team B player but team A only gets an inbound. Keeps games from having these looney disparities. Technicals or flagrants can still be shooting.
I didn't necessarily think the game was called unfairly at any point. They were penetrating hard to the basket, and we really weren't. As someone else said, too, we were playing too much defense with our hands, while they were playing better defense with their feet.
One thing I did notice, though, was that there weren't any moving screen calls all game, and a lot of them were committed. It just wasn't a point of emphasis, and DePaul may have come out a bit on the better side of that with non-calls.
One thing I did notice, though, was that there weren't any moving screen calls all game, and a lot of them were committed. It just wasn't a point of emphasis, and DePaul may have come out a bit on the better side of that with non-calls.
Good post, my only issue would be inserting Hyatt as the starter at this point
I would bring him in off the bench real early and let him have major minutes
Last year we had some issues with players starting and not starting, ego issues
At least, this is how it appeared to play out and the resulting transfers
It is an easier fix to just adjust the minutes within the game, and who is on the court when the game is in the final minutes
You go to the basket enough you'll get calls. When your offense revolves around setting a ball screen 25 feet from the basket you get nothing.
Meh DePaul missed a ton of free throws. We played very poorly and lost. That’s not a good DePaul team and we played worse
Exactly. DePaul attacked and our defense sucked but the refs are an easy excuse. The way Seton Hall attacks, they will foul our entire pathetically slow team out.
I can spell Myles, miles, and myals. I just made an error in which one was correct. Check that. My phone can't cause it keeps changing it.
Maybe if he spelled it M.Y.L.E.S.
DePaul shot more free throws because they were aggressive driving to the basket, as opposed to RU, who was spotting up bad shooters for 3 point attempts.
You cannot just look at the calls. You have to look at the non-calls.
You can argue that we have to adjust to what the refs are allowing.. but there are rules in basketball that should be adhered to and the officials should enforce those rules.
Some very sloppy and obvious travels by DePaul should have resulted in turnovers and not baskets for them. There were many over-the-back rebounds by them not called.. especially on the offensive boards... even following foul shots. That is unthinkable in a well-officiated game.
We still should have won.., they are not that good. They got generous calls and took advantage of non-calls and shot lights-out when it counted most.
THAT is an outright lie. Makes me wonder why you must provide this LIE in order to justify the freethrow differential. You cannot link a boxscore to prove your point because it proves the exact opposite.
Harper would go to the tin, and Omoruyi got some dunks on entry passes - but we were more often probing from the outside and putting up jumpers (both outside and inside the arc). Box score doesn't tell you whether a 2P attempt was a drive to the hoop or a pull up jumper at the FT line extended. And if you go up for a layup and get fouled, it doesn't count as a shot anyway and won't show in the box score as anything but 2 FTA.
Watching the game, we were more physical defensively, and they were more physical offensively - add that together, and you'll see a differential. Maybe not 27 shots? But we also made some dumb fouls throughout the game - more in the first half than the second.