Foreman Transferring
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The team Mike Rice inherited is my favorite in recent memory. Outplayed their ability, played hard. That first season was fun to watch, even with the losing.
Without a doubt less talented than the team Eddie inherited.
Mitchell was great, Beatty and Coburn played with a ridiculous amount of heart and over their abilities.
Everyone else was young.
Dane Miller was on that '10-'11 team also. We'll agree to disagree I guess. But I don't think it's close between the 10-11 roster and the 13-14 roster. I really don't.
Can't agree with you on that one. Mitchell was a decent offensive player and Biruta was good but...wooo...that backcourt? Poole, really? Freshman Johnson?
That's one bizarro Top 6 too, I must say. Holy mackerel.
Dane Miller was a Sophomore coming off a Freshman season in which he shot 57% from the line and 28% from deep. (under Fred Hill which is a whole other issue).
That team is remembered fondly because they bought in and appeared to care.
Miller was a freak athlete coming in who needed to learn to play basketball. You could see/feel he was going to get better as time passed and he got college coaching. I was actually surprised he never got better than he did.
He was perfect for Rice because his best attribute (his athleticism) translated perfectly to how Rice wanted to play. Unfortunately I think his personal life impacted how little he developed.
Not to walk down memory lane but Miller was the perfect kid to recruit right after Rosario/Echenique. Didn't need the ball. Athletic. Plays defense. Fred couldnt coach a lick, but his ideas on roster construction made sense.
I'm not bashing the kid, but he certainly did not have a "ton" of talent. No shot, dribbled head down never passed, average finisher, not a great leaper, can't hit free throws...
Who is the other transfer and what recruit is looking elsewhere? You can't just do a drive by, without spilling the beans!
Only Rutgers fans can't have a spirited argument about which team/players were worse!
all it means is that Jordan was a disaster. The columns comparing Pikiell to Jordan will be rolling in over the next few months (like Ash vs. Flood). They will not be pretty.
Sorry to join the party late but here goes....it hurts short term because of numbers and immediate impact but not really much impact long term. I was a firm believer that Foreman was not a Big 10 player and if Jordan turned it around it would be with better players than DJ. At this level he is a 5 minute per game guy not playing 25 plus minutes. He showed no improvement between his frosh and sophomore years and thats a bad sign. Im assuming a MAAC level program or below is his appropriate landing spot.
based on recruiting rankings Jordan inherited a fairly solid team plus he got Etou..short on depth but these guys performed and played defense under Rice and then stopped under Jordan...and not just the first year but his 2nd year with Jack was a failure on Eddie as a coach
Since Diallo, Doorson, Johnson, and Freeman have basically burned redshirt/transfer years already, that just leaves Laurent and Williams who can transfer without losing a year of eligibility. Doesn't mean the first four couldn't leave now or in the future and try not to lose a year somehow but have to figure it would be easier for Laurent and Williams.
Your list summarizes what happens to a basketball program that has been ignored for decades.Nobody that mattered cared and the end result has been total futility,embarrassment and chaos with each coaching change.I give the new head coach a big pat on the back in accepting the position and have my fingers crossed that he can actually get Rutgers out of the abyss.
2010-11: 15-17/6-12 in the BIG EAST
2013-14: 12-21/5-13 in the AAC
So the '10-11 team, which was better in every measurable way from the '13-14 team, most notably having a better record in a MUCH tougher league was due to the difference in coaching between Rice and Eddie Jordan?
Now I liked Rice and clearly Jordan was a disaster, but I am not sure you shouldn't at least be considering that the '10-11 team may have had better players.
Yes, I think Rice did a great job coaching those guys that year and players like Coburn and Beatty deserve a ton of credit for their efforts because they just weren't very talented and but they bought in. Eddie did not do a good job and the players clearly did NOT buy in and all you had to do was look at the last game of each of those seasons.
Skoolie. there is a thread on this board that includes an updated list of players transferring out. Read it, and see some schools are losing 4 or 5 to transfer. It happens every spring, and RU has lost some number over the years. But your agenda won't let you see that--you want to be ready to say, "See--what did I tell you? We hired the wrong guy."
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Biruta was a overrated imho, he missed so many put backs and bunny hops he made Foreman look like the 2nd coming of Karl the Mailman Malone. Mitchell was our big-time player, and while Beatty wasn't spectacular, he probably was our best PG floor general in many, many years before Sanders. Dane Miller was a defensive force.
And yet despite bringing in five (5) Rivals Top 150 players (Mack, Jack, Seagears, Randall, Lewis) plus Eli Carter and retaining Biruta, Miller , Poole, etc. Rice never had a better team than those no talent jamokes he coached that first year. Strange, no?
You see it never shocks me when upperclassmen dominated teams with talent (yes talent) and good coaching play to the level or even exceed the level of their "ability". Mitchell, Coburn and Beatty were all Seniors. That works in CBB. Unfortunately in the last decade and a half the only teams we can say that about are our NIT finals team, Douby's final season and that Rice first year. Shouldn't be a shock those were also our three best teams this century.
The first year talent? All I needed to see was UCONN game that year. RU is in the game and Mack goes to bench. Craig Brown in game and missed like 3 straight shots. Lead goes from like 4 to 10 and Mack comes back in. game was over then. Brown and Campbell and Okoro were not good.
When Foreman decided to make a move to the hole, he was going to shoot it. There was no wiggle-room here. it was going up, hell or high water.
The only issue with these transfers (and potentially one or two more) is that given where we are on the calendar its hard to find replacement worth making a four year commitment to. Thus it could be another very long winter if Sanders and other parts of the core do not come back. If this is the extent of it then we are probably OK. Agree that Thiam is a key unless the supposed silent commit is of similar quality.
Help me out here. Is Macon gone? If so, where is he now? Or is this all just in limbo?
With regard to Foreman, is he helping Macon look more attractive elsewhere by being part of a package?
From Foreman's perspective, why leave a place that has a really good coach and a really good associate head coach to go sit out for a year and likely end up at a lesser school? He has an excellent shot at playing time and visibility next year. If he projects as a European player down the road, isn't his best chance at that realised by staying at RU?
With regard to Foreman, is he helping Macon look more attractive elsewhere by being part of a package?
From Foreman's perspective, why leave a place that has a really good coach and a really good associate head coach to go sit out for a year and likely end up at a lesser school? He has an excellent shot at playing time and visibility next year. If he projects as a European player down the road, isn't his best chance at that realised by staying at RU?
Well, I don't know. That's why I'm confused here. Seems that Foreman is in a pretty good spot at RU and I don't understand the rationale from his perspective for wanting to transfer. Might it be the case that he's been told his future isn't bright at RU? I don't know. Just trying to sort out this decision.