I was skeptical when fox retired about hiring from within....boy was i wrong
Forbes ?? Candidate for SC
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I don't mean you are any other player who played football for Carolina is a joke but almost everything that has occurred since BB was hired has been nothing short of a disaster and we are made fun of because of BB and stuff with the girl.
See, stuff like that doesn't bother me. We're paying him to win games not be the Dean of Students. Last year, the results weren't what some expected. He has two more years to figure it out or we will be looking for a new coach.
I hear you but the Jordon stuff doesn’t embarrass you at all?
I know the board doesn’t need me to validate this but Mahler is spot on here. Forbes was most definitely considering this move and I was worried that he might leave. SC was willing to wait through the supers for Forbes but thankfully we came up with the money we needed to come up with. I think people would be surprised at how close SC came to taking our coach.
Not at all. I really couldn't care less what someone does in their personal life. I get it if some are embarrassed because their friends that pull for other teams give them a hard time or they don't like the media harping on it.
Guess I'm wired a little different and try not to let the little stuff bother me these days. Lot more yesterdays than there are tomorrows at my age which probably plays a part in my attitude.
If 2026 goes as bad as predicted, he likely has just five more months.
Certainly, we add immediate value to any conference we join, but if it doesn’t offset the approximately $75 million we’re taking out, that won’t fly. And we still have to repay the financed buyout.
I quoted it. Others have quoted it. Greg has quoted it. You can read it for yourself either above in this thread or pull the financial report.
With all due respect, you’re making a lot of assumptions without being in on how this went down.
This was much closer to going sideways than many will probably ever know. Glad it worked out. The baseball family put on the full court press and the staff is going to get a well deserved reward.
First off, I'd expect it to be more than $75 million because I expect us to make the move in 28 or 29.
Second, of course we are not going to get any conference to pay our entire buy-out. At most, we might get a few bucks signing fee and perhaps some financing help. But UNC is obviously going to be on the hook for the vast majority of the exit fee.
Third, yes we have to repay the financed buyout. Just like you have to repay a mortgage or we have to pay the financing on the Blue Zone. But you pay that debt off over many years out of a projected revenue stream.
Fourth, bringing this back to Forbes, we do not need to wait years to come out ahead on the deal. From day 1, we will be in a better financial position once we join the SEC/Big10 (with the caveat that there is a bit of a delay in how the distributions are paid, and every conference does it a bit differently). We will not be equal to Texas or Bama because: (1) they have much bigger stadiums and better alumni support, and (2) they will not be financing a new billion dollar basketball arena and a $100 million buyout fee. But, we will be in a much better financial position than today, with much greater resources for our athletic teams.
That is just the reality of bigtime college sports these days. If not SC, there would be another school another year. If you want to keep your program among the elite, you need to make a competitive financial commitment to the program. No matter how much anyone loves his school, that person is not going to want to compete with one hand tied behind his back. Everyone wants an even playing field.
The Holbrook story cuts both ways. I don't think he would recommend a job at lil Carolina.
See…this just seems hyperbolic. South Carolina makes a great offer. And then the ball is in our court to counter and we do so. I don’t think that feels “close”. Forbes didn’t take the job and then walk it back. No midnight hour donor came in and saved the program and the staff. I don’t think he was close to going there at all. I think he would have gone if we did nothing to respond to such a lucrative offer. And I don’t think we were ever going to “not respond”.
And I’ll take you at your word. And I’ll say thank your for the information you bring to the board. The end.
Obviously Forbes didn’t take the job and then walk it back. But my point is that Coach Forbes was seriously considering taking the job based on what I know. There were many on this board that kept arguing that Forbes would never leave for SC and that he was not even considering it. But that is just not true. He was a lot closer to leaving than most here think.
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Wouldn’t count on that. Lots of influential people made this hire. He will be given every chance to win.
It’s interesting to read the posts by people who “know” something on threads with no evidence aside from “trust me.” This has to be some sort of self validation dopamine rush.
Is there something in particular you’ve read that you vehemently disagree with?
Nobody would care what anybody thought if we were winning. That’s just a fact. Start winning and people find a way to not feel embarrassed over anything.
I don’t know what I don’t know but one thing I do know is that Newmark, Chancellor Roberts and Bubba (along with some of their key minions) spent a substantial amount of time visiting with former baseball players and supporters during the weekend Super Regional. So glad things have worked out and the baseball program is getting deserved support. Now we need more season ticket holders and attendees at games to help defray the costs of support.
Those meetings were instrumental in getting this done. A couple of former players went to great lengths to make it happen. I hope the story gets told when the time is right.
Bringing things back to "what happens from here" a bit. With regard to NIL, the first priority is to retain key talent - our staff has done a PHENOMENAL job of developing high school arms and the next step is to retain those pitchers until they leave via MLB draft. And second thing our staff has done is work the portal in a way that upgrades talent/addresses gaps without disrupting team culture. Just look at Clemson this year for an example of how portal success doesn't always equal team success. Assuming there is more financial backing behind the program, let's hope the staff keeps cooking because Carolina's level of consistency the past few years is not too common.
Selfishly I'd love to see more high school recruits develop on the offensive side. Not saying we should stop taking and hitting on these less heralded transfers but it is interesting how we have an elite pitching staff built almost entirely out of high school recruits yet most of the offense comes from transfers.
Agreed. We've had success (see Honeycutt, Stevenson, Gallaher) but not as prevalent as the pitching.
Twitter? Seems they’d rather announce it on a platform where OnlyFans go.
what?? I think you're getting the CWS confused with the ACC
I don’t see it changing…and I understand it. Projecting pitching from HS to your first year in college is a lot easier than trying to decide if a hitter will be able to adjust to college pitching and contribute in year one. Because, let’s be honest, if they don’t contribute as freshmen they may hit the portal. It is just so much easier to get a kid that has proven he can hit college pitching (even at the community college level in Iowa).
I also think that Gaines and Forbes are pitching guys. They know what they are looking for in terms of arm talent and they know they can develop and enhance it on-campus. In some cases, it’s harder to undo what another college program may have already done.
It appears that almost every eligible player will transfer from CCU to USC. The real question is whether the talent level on last year’s CCU team could actually compete in the SEC. I have my doubts.
No, they didn’t. It was very in the open. He’s who everyone was predicting they would hire. They openly reported they interviewed him 3 different times last week, including one with the USC President.
SC fans spent all year trashing coastal for not being in a major conference and are now celebrating the entire staff and roster coming to Columbia. Fandom is very funny
I think coastal players will be fine in the SEC . The question is who will coastal hire ?
Same. I'm under oath not to say anything, but Mahler has been all over this. This was about as close to the Beamer / UNC football deal with Baddour many years ago as it could've been. Thrilled some folks stepped up and that Forbes, his staff, and returning players will be in Chapel Hill and not Columbia next year.
I agree. Coastal played poorly down the stretch, and SC was just a bad baseball team. Next year's Coastal (which is now SC) would struggle to win consistently in the SEC week in/week out. They hould be a lot more competitive...especially if they can combine their rosters. I'd be surprised if they're top half of the SEC next year if it's just a combined Coastal/SC roster without any extra portal help, though.
I didn’t realize that a former UNC baseball equipment manager was now a deputy executive AD at South Carolina and was involved enough in this search that Schnall thanked him in his opening statement today. I knew Holbrook had hired him down there but I didn’t know he’d survived through all the baseball changes and moved his way up the AD.
I’ll stop when we stop hiring 70+ year old coaches