For the mask complainers

[msu86]

Im gonna go ahead and admit my wrong bc I was right there with you. I am in my later 30’s and wore my mask everywhere but church last Sunday. I tested positive on Thursday. Symptoms were achy muscles kinda like Flu and a low grade temp. That was the worst days for me. Now I got get tired when I go outside to do yard work but I will keep doing that bc I hate being still and doing nothing all day.....back to the mask. My wife is in the medical field and has been ocd about her and kids wearing the mask everywhere all the time. She is also exposed daily most of the day at work and stays covid free. Since that church service we have had over 30 people in the church test positive(which is beyond wild to me bc the seats were spread out and distance was kept as far as I could tell. Everyone that has tested positive took their mask off once at their seat or in auditorium walking out. It’s like it got in the air vents or something. So, I fully believe the mask helps prevent and can almost stalemate it.
Hope this helps someone.

 

[RocketDawg]

I'm in favor of wearing masks too, but that's just an opinion. You've presented what might be called data.

Just curious - how far apart were people? Was there an entire empty pew so people would be separated "vertically" as well as not sitting close on the same pew? Is the sanctuary large or small?

It's amazing that the virus spread so well. Maybe somebody was coughing or sneezing. Maybe churches should start checking temperatures when people enter the door, like doctors' offices and some businesses do, or even having services outside.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

I thought the only benefit from the masks is it protects others from the mask wearer, and it doesn’t really keep you from catching it from others?

 

[1msucub]

Were there any people at the service who didn’t wear a mask who didn’t test positive? How large of a congregation is it?

 

[SirBarksalot]

Your church didn’t require parishioners to wear a mask? Ridiculously irresponsible.

Unfortunately I doubt the anti-mask give me freedom people will take heed of your experience. After all you seem to be doing well, which is good. Some of those naysayers are also going to be responsible for infecting others who might not be so lucky.

Good luck in your recovery, I’m certainly interested in how it goes....

 

[SirBarksalot]

It's amazing that the virus spread so well. Maybe somebody was coughing or sneezing. Maybe churches should start checking temperatures when people enter the door, like doctors' offices and some businesses do, or even having services outside.

really? Wtf? I’d guess there was a lot of singing involved.

 

[DoomSlayer]

When you’re indoors with the AC blowing I have to believe the six feet rule isn’t far enough away. It’s probably not even close.

 

[fang]

My good friends dad died last night after getting it from his mom who was the typical (where I’m from in backwoods MS) “it’ll be alright“ crowd. Heartbreaking. I’ll be wearing a mask.

 

[RocketDawg]

really? Wtf? I’d guess there was a lot of singing involved.

Yeah, there is that. I'd forgotten about singing.

Also, there seems to be a lot of coughing in church for some reason. Maybe what the minister has just said particularly hit home or something. **

 

[SirBarksalot]

I thought the only benefit from the masks is it protects others from the mask wearer, and it doesn’t really keep you from catching it from others?

of course it provides some benefit..I’d want every layer possible between a persons infected respiratory droplets and my nose/mouth..it Could also cut down on the viral load.

This thing is weird though. Friends daughter caught it...none of the other 3 people in the same home ever tested positive.

 

[RocketDawg]

I thought the only benefit from the masks is it protects others from the mask wearer, and it doesn’t really keep you from catching it from others?

They used to say that, but the CDC and others in the know have changed their minds. Remember Fauci apparently told us not to wear masks just so we'd save them for health care workers, then basically admitted he'd lied about their effectiveness? Or at least that was what I read. In the end, they probably just didn't know at the beginning of all this.

 

[57stratdawg]

The transmission rate for COVID is pretty impressive. It’s causing our testing to be less effective. Ask the MLB.

 

[philduckworth]

The transmission rate for COVID is pretty impressive. It’s causing our testing to be less effective. Ask the MLB.

gotta be one of the most contagious virus's in history. Also, our testing still sucks. Still taking 2-10 days to get results for most people. Still getting false positives and false negatives. And the rapid testing appears to be the least reliable. Hopefully, the President and Congress will divert defense funds to being more prepared for the next virus we get from China or elsewhere.

 

[turkish]

I’m a mask wearer, supporter, proponent.

There is no way in HELL they help prevent taking in the virus when inhaling. Close to 100% of the air you breathe in is not going thru the mask; it’s going around the mask. You’d need a respirator for that. The benefit of the mask is catching droplets from coughing, sneezing, talking.

 

[philduckworth]

I’m a mask wearer, supporter, proponent.

There is no way in HELL they help prevent taking in the virus when inhaling. Close to 100% of the air you breathe in is not going thru the mask; it’s going around the mask. You’d need a respirator for that. The benefit of the mask is catching droplets from coughing, sneezing, talking.

All we have is hand washing, mask wearing, and social distancing. That's not too much to ask. Just do it for goodness sake.

 

[SirBarksalot]

I swear Reeves looks so completely stupid slowly rolling out mask mandates by counties. To finally doing it now...don’t call a fire truck till the roof is on fire.
I’d like to hear his explanation..
Maybe he just wanted MS to be first again..for something bad.

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[msu86]

We have a HUGE church building and yes there was lots of singing. I dont have all the numbers to really crunch...all i know is from talking to over a dozen that got infected that I talk to on regular occasion.
As far as spreading out is concerned, every other row was “supposed” to be blocked off and for the most part everyone adhered. But you know as well as I do, uf you go to church, leaving the auditorium is the issue with closeness. Everyone walks out of the same 2 or 3 exits at the back and that I where I figure the contamination happened...but Im no expert, just an idiot sitting at home with SARS

 

[aTotal360]

Should I have not done communion this past Sunday? I was polite and waited till last in line.

 

[RocketDawg]

Let's hope Covid is "just" respiratory droplets and not aerosol.

 

[turkish]

All we have is hand washing, mask wearing, and social distancing. That's not too much to ask. Just do it for goodness sake.

NBD. I like about 3 people and even they hate me.

 

[SheltonChoked]

We have a HUGE church building and yes there was lots of singing. I dont have all the numbers to really crunch...all i know is from talking to over a dozen that got infected that I talk to on regular occasion.
As far as spreading out is concerned, every other row was “supposed” to be blocked off and for the most part everyone adhered. But you know as well as I do, uf you go to church, leaving the auditorium is the issue with closeness. Everyone walks out of the same 2 or 3 exits at the back and that I where I figure the contamination happened...but Im no expert, just an idiot sitting at home with SARS

Singing is one of the worse things you can do, and how the AC recirculates air and effects air circulation has a big impact.

That's also why big schools are concerned, the AC systems in big buildings are designed to recirculate air, not bring in a lot of fresh outside air ( it's too energy expensive to bring in a lot of outside air)

 

[Len2003]

gotta be one of the most contagious virus's in history. Also, our testing still sucks. Still taking 2-10 days to get results for most people. Still getting false positives and false negatives. And the rapid testing appears to be the least reliable. Hopefully, the President and Congress will divert defense funds to being more prepared for the next virus we get from China or elsewhere.

One of the reasons it's so contagious is because we don't have any degree of herd immunity to it.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Singing is one of the worse things you can do, and how the AC recirculates air and effects air circulation has a big impact.

That's also why big schools are concerned, the AC systems in big buildings are designed to recirculate air, not bring in a lot of fresh outside air ( it's too energy expensive to bring in a lot of outside air)

The singing is not nearly as bad, though, if you censor the N word out of the songs. ****

 

[WilCoDawg]

You’re 100% that you got it at church? You’re positive that you didn’t have it earlier and spread it at church? It seems pretty presumptive of you to conclude you got it there just because you didn’t wear a mask.

 

[Walter White.sixpack]

I thought the only benefit from the masks is it protects others from the mask wearer, and it doesn’t really keep you from catching it from others?

That is one of the common lines that I see people say, yes.

 

[Shamoan]

Masks are the worst. I don’t know if I have inner ear issues or what but wearing a mask becomes painful to the back of my left ear some days. Additionally, I wear glasses and the recycled carbon dioxide is too much. It’s slightly painful, extremely difficult to manage with glasses, and a huge inconvenience. 17 masks and the ***** they rode in on. Most of y’all gave no clue and can throw a mask on with no worries, but it’s been a big nuisance more than I can adequately articulate.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The transmission can be insanely odd too though. I know someone who was camping with 5 other people and they were in close proximity to each other and in tents and she came down with it and no one else including her husband tested positive and it’s been two weeks.

 

[Herbert Nenninger]

I read about an earlier case in a restaurant in China; one guy was sitting in the corner and was positive. Nine more people in the restaurant ended up positive. None had any interaction with him or came close to six feet from him. They figured out that they were all in a linear direction downwind from him, and the a/c was blowing over them and then hitting the wall, causing it to recirculate back over them.
And there’s evidence that the virus consists of just respiratory droplets for the most part. But there seem to be some droplets small enough to be asrosolized and thus blow around better.

 

[msu86]

You’re 100% that you got it at church? You’re positive that you didn’t have it earlier and spread it at church? It seems pretty presumptive of you to conclude you got it there just because you didn’t wear a mask.

There is absolutely no way for anyone on planet earth to tell you exactly where a droplet of moisture went into their lung at. All someone can do is use a little common sense and draw their best conclusion. And from the facts stated in original topic, I can only assume that is where myself and at least 33 others came in contact with it.
And to answer your question more directly, yes, someone at the church would absolutely had to have came in contact with it previously and spread it at the church. Was it me? I would not think so but I could be wrong...no way of knowing. I do know that some tested positive as early as Monday(I felt fine til Thursday). So I would assume that is who more than likely brought it in to the church.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

You’re 100% that you got it at church? You’re positive that you didn’t have it earlier and spread it at church? It seems pretty presumptive of you to conclude you got it there just because you didn’t wear a mask.

If over 30 people at the church tested positive, there's a > 96.7% he didn't spread it. It's actually very calculated.

 

[FISHDAWG]

really? Wtf? I’d guess there was a lot of singing involved.

or maybe Communion or the collection plate passed ... maybe the infections weren't totally airborne

 

[FISHDAWG]

I thought the only benefit from the masks is it protects others from the mask wearer, and it doesn’t really keep you from catching it from others?

one doctor explained it like this .... the mask may filter some but not quite all of the particles / droplets .... if you are infected by only a few then the case doesn't seem to be as severe ... if you're infected by a substantial amount then the cases seem to be more severe .... Kinda like Poison Ivy.
Disclaimer - I know nothing about the field of medicine, only what I see, read, or hear

 

[dawgdr]

Have seen article where in HVAC system in a restaurant in China. If can believe em. Numerous people under one unit infected while others in restaurant not. A simple mask or face covering prolly wouldn't have mattered. If truly where you got it.

 

[Captain Ron]

You’re 100% that you got it at church? You’re positive that you didn’t have it earlier and spread it at church? It seems pretty presumptive of you to conclude you got it there just because you didn’t wear a mask.

I have no doubt there is not some incremental benefit to mask wear assuming they are worn properly as a medical professional would.... it appears that a majority (just as anecdotal as the original assumption Via the OP) do not adhere to those directives, hence that is why many countries do not mandate them. It leads to a false sense of security and less social distancing. Those are the expert’s words, not mine.

It is interesting to see the arguments on the actual effectiveness vs the data.

California (LA county much longer) has had a mask mandate and yet steady increases in cases similar to other unexposed states with no mandate. (Same could be said for Broward and Dade county Fl)

A. Those Californians weren’t adhering to the mandate!

2 day decline in Alabama?

A. No other answer than “see, it is working” except the chart shows almost the exact same curve down as places that didn’t have a mandate. That also of course means that those other places that have a downward slope were doing it voluntarily without a mandate.

What about places like Norway etc that now mask wear around 10% and extremely low cases?

A. Think how much lower they would be!

Again, I DO wear the mask. I just do not see the real world data, when the mask is the only variable, to support some of the absolutes posted on SM.

 

[sfnsfn]

I thought the only benefit from the masks is it protects others from the mask wearer, and it doesn’t really keep you from catching it from others?

"A range of new research on face coverings shows that the risk of infection to the wearer is decreased by 65 percent, said Dean Blumberg, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at UC Davis Children’s Hospital."

https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/

 

[sfnsfn]

one doctor explained it like this .... the mask may filter some but not quite all of the particles / droplets .... if you are infected by only a few then the case doesn't seem to be as severe ... if you're infected by a substantial amount then the cases seem to be more severe .... Kinda like Poison Ivy.
Disclaimer - I know nothing about the field of medicine, only what I see, read, or hear

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[G-Dawg]

Our church has halted communion for the time being. And the collection plate is in a certain location and people place their offerings in it, no passing of the plate anymore. We have 2 pew rows between each seating area and the only places to sit are at the ends of the pews by family groups. We've gone to 3 services to accommodate everyone and the first service is reserved for "older, more vulnerable" populations.

 

[tebmsu97]

I have no doubt there is not some incremental benefit to mask wear assuming they are worn properly as a medical professional would.... it appears that a majority (just as anecdotal as the original assumption Via the OP) do not adhere to those directives, hence that is why many countries do not mandate them. It leads to a false sense of security and less social distancing. Those are the expert’s words, not mine.

It is interesting to see the arguments on the actual effectiveness vs the data.

California (LA county much longer) has had a mask mandate and yet steady increases in cases similar to other unexposed states with no mandate. (Same could be said for Broward and Dade county Fl)

A. Those Californians weren’t adhering to the mandate!

2 day decline in Alabama?

A. No other answer than “see, it is working” except the chart shows almost the exact same curve down as places that didn’t have a mandate. That also of course means that those other places that have a downward slope were doing it voluntarily without a mandate.

What about places like Norway etc that now mask wear around 10% and extremely low cases?

A. Think how much lower they would be!

Again, I DO wear the mask. I just do not see the real world data, when the mask is the only variable, to support some of the absolutes posted on SM.

We have definitely started to see a decline in cases in Louisiana since the mandate, but we also closed bars back down which was a big driver in the recent increase. How much is masking, no way to tell, but it certainly doesn't increase the spread so I am all for it.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

These are pretty much the same conditions we're going to have at schools and colleges, only for 8 hours a day. I teach college in a building built in the 70's when everybody cut out the windows to save energy, so the air quality is awful. I've got students from all over the country in my classes, and over the course of a week I'll be interacting with about 200 individual students, plus faculty, staff, etc. Looks like a giant petri dish of virus to me. I imagine many of you work under similar conditions, but probably not with young people coming in from all over. I found a stage 3 vaccine trial so I've got a 50% chance that I got the vaccine vs the placebo, and in my mind that's my one shot of not getting sick this semester. Hallways get full of people, students will hang together in the evenings, just feels like an uncontrollable situation.
Our city schools opened a week ago, they've already sent home several classes of students because of a sick staff or student in the class, and they're using the staggered attendance. I don't see any way schools operate for more than a few weeks if in an area with an R above 1.

 

[codeDawg]

Thank you for sharing. A couple of thoughts:
- I hate wearing masks, but if it has any benefit to myself or others, count me in. It's a simple thing you can do if you are around people indoors.
- The more we learn about this, the more indoor gatherings in poorly ventilated places seem to be the cause of super-spreading events like these. Indoor bars, restaurants, and church are the absolute worst places you can possibly be. People gathering in these spaces in the A/C likely account for a lot of the spread in the South and Southwest.
- I think we will likely add schools to that list in the next couple of months. I can't imagine a more perfect environment for the virus to spread and be taken home, even with precautions. (Long periods of time in poorly ventilated shared spaces with people who aren't old / mature enough to take social distancing seriously).
- Outdoor stadiums are probably a lot better, but just think of all the people being vocal, spraying their 'rona breath down from behind and above you even if 6 feet distanced.

This is a really long article, but it has a lot of good information on the current thinking about how the virus spreads and how ventilation affects the spread: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...king-more-about-airborne-transmission/614737/