For the Croom lovers....

[Drebin]

Croom's SEC Storied comes on ESPNU at 9 AM.

I've never seen it before. No since in starting now.

 

[dawgman42]

All you need to remember . . .
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[Willow Grove Dawg]

All of a sudden I feel so much better about our current recruiting results

Remember the Maine
3-2
@ La Tech


Dammit I went thru a ton of counselling in an attempt to get past all this **** & here it is all coming back to me at once.

 

[LandArchDawg]

...and don't forget Macroom & White. That was trying to be a thing.

 

[MSUDC11]

Croom's SEC Storied comes on ESPNU at 9 AM.

I've never seen it before. No since in starting now.

It paints a picture that is not remotely what reality was. Croom plays the victim and basically says no one could have done any better than what he did.

For all the hate that Mullen got over his loyalty to Hev, that relationship has nothing on Sly and Woody.

 

[MittRomney]

Don’t forget...

...and don't forget Macroom & White. That was trying to be a thing.

Vroom Maroon. Can’t believe that one didn’t catch fire.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Exactly. He plays the part of an unappreciated and undervalued coach who cleaned up a total mess. Any moron could’ve come in and done that. How he kept his job so long should make him less of a victim and more of a man that was actually given a great opportunity and blew it.

 

[dickiedawg]

That was Mullen era. Ultimately never saw the light of day, replaced by "Full Throttle Football" if memory serves. Which is miles better than "Spread the fun"

 

[DawgInThe256]

If I recall correctly, the narrator at one point refers to MSU as the Tigers. That pretty much sums it up.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

One positive thing about Croom: His teams beat Alabama twice.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

During his FIVE years he had there his offenses never finished below 100 in the whole country in total offense!! In '09 during mullet's first year we finished I believe around 86th with croom's players.

 

[kired]

I remember getting some awesome free tickets to the 2006 Tulane game... just to see us get absolutely beat down by a terrible team. We'd gotten shutout the first two games before that. We finally moved Omar Conner from WR back to QB and scored. I we started Tray Rutland - left handed QB - and had him doing bootlegs to his right, then awkwardly trying to turn and get squared up before throwing. It's like we were calling plays that no one had actually practiced.

 

[patdog]

The problem with Croom's narrative is that other than Charley Shira and a couple of guys in the pre-WWII days, every coach we've ever had has done better at MSU than he did (Felker's pretty much a tossup though).

 

[Digging dog]

One positive thing about Croom: His teams beat Alabama twice.

Larry was so impressed he gave Croom a raise and an extension.

 

[vhdawg]

My favorite part of that is when they're hemming and hawing about him being fired, and there's the shot of Greg Byrne and he's got that twinkle in his eye that says "Hell yeah I fired him, because he sucked at coaching football, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat."

 

[Seinfeld]

I can’t remember when this show originally aired, and I want to say it was about 2 years ago. Whatever the case, I just remember that I was completely over the Croom era at that point, and the show was mostly decent. However, in the last 2 minutes of it, the man talks about how he felt like he had been punched in the gut when he was let go, and it just pissed me off all over again

That guy is a shining beacon for the “it’s always everybody else’s fault” mentality, and he was one of the laziest head coaches we have ever had. Not to mention that we were the only program willing to give that completely unproven man a shot at big time SEC football, yet somehow he got a raw deal. Seriously, 17 that man, his pride, and his love affair for Alabama. I’ll be just fine if he never steps foot in Starkville again, and I’m sure he feels the same way

 

[maroonmania]

There's more than one?**

 

[engie]

Mullen went from 116 to 72 in year 1. And I remember that 09 offense as if it was elite -- given the improvement made at the time.

 

[Dawgzilla]

"I didn't quit; I was 'axed' to resign".

 

[Dawg1979]

Remember the Maine
3-2
@ La Tech


Dammit I went thru a ton of counselling in an attempt to get past all this **** & here it is all coming back to me at once.

I was at state then. Was a horrible time to watch games. Lots and lots of whiskey

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

The really sad thing is that Croom was more qualified to be a head coach than Woody McCorvey was to be an offensive coordinator

 

[campshelbydog842003]

He came in and voluntarily gave us the death penalty. We had about 55 scholarship players his first 2 years because he kicked off so many players. Then after he kicked off all of the "bad apples" the people he brought in came in and got in more trouble with the law than Jackie's players did.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

I'll admit he didn't do a very good job at State, but he did beat Alabama and Auburn in the same year, which is something our esteemed next coach couldn't do during his 9 year tenure.

 

[vhdawg]

The really sad thing is that Croom was more qualified to be a head coach than Woody McCorvey was to be an offensive coordinator

I don't understand how people still think anything about that offense was Woody McCorvey's fault. Woody was Croom's fall guy.

 

[VegasDawg13]

I remember getting some awesome free tickets to the 2006 Tulane game... just to see us get absolutely beat down by a terrible team. We'd gotten shutout the first two games before that. We finally moved Omar Conner from WR back to QB and scored. I we started Tray Rutland - left handed QB - and had him doing bootlegs to his right, then awkwardly trying to turn and get squared up before throwing. It's like we were calling plays that no one had actually practiced.

In our dramatic near-comeback against homeless Tulane, we also burned Arceto Clark's redshirt for no good reason.

 

[Seinfeld]

Yeah, I don’t know who was calling more plays than the other or who was directing personnel, but even if it was McCorvey, it was Croom that stubbornly refused to let him go, so it’s still ultimately Croom’s fault either way

Again, rarely in my life have I ever witnessed a prideful ego the size of Sly Croom’s. He absolutely could not stand the thought of anyone thinking that they might know better than him about pretty much anything. I honestly think that he felt that by former association with Bear Bryant, it automatically qualified him as a football genius

 

[VegasDawg13]

If Woody was Croom's fall guy, then he would have fired him in order to get another year.

That's the whole point of having a fall guy, to let them take the fall.

 

[thatsbaseball]

It is well documented that Croom felt the way to get more blacks into head coaching jobs was to first get them experience as coordinators . Croom felt that firing Woody would have ruin his chances at a HC job in the future.

 

[philduckworth]

Yeah, I don’t know who was calling more plays than the other or who was directing personnel, but even if it was McCorvey, it was Croom that stubbornly refused to let him go, so it’s still ultimately Croom’s fault either way

Again, rarely in my life have I ever witnessed a prideful ego the size of Sly Croom’s. He absolutely could not stand the thought of anyone thinking that they might know better than him about pretty much anything. I honestly think that he felt that by former association with Bear Bryant, it automatically qualified him as a football genius

We ran the spread one time vs UF and won. It was beautiful. Then we went back to the Croom Coast offense.

My favorite Croom moments:

1. Punting in UGA territory on 4th and 3 at the 35 yard line.
2. Kicking FG at the 1 yard line vs GT, kick was blocked
3. Burning Arceto's redshirt with like 3 games left and saying he will let someone else worry about 4 years from now.
4. Saying as long as he's the coach, we will run the West Coast offense.
5. Saying that he hated doing the call in show and post game show
6. Saying that losing to Maine wasn't a surprise b/c they had more talent than us
7. Croom + Russel Athletics + LT designing those awful Kmart Alabama knock off uniforms
8. Maroon is all that matters.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I'm not saying Croom wasn't the one calling the shots on offense, but even the offensive guru type of coaches (Moorhead, Mullen, Malzahn, Spurrier), bring in an offensive coordinator who is either someone they worked with for a long time while they were an OC, or has a wealth of experience as an OC at another school. McCorvey was neither. Then again, Croom wasn't an offensive guru. Hell, the best NFL RB of all time decided to retire early rather than continue to play in Croom's offense.

 

[BigDawg@HillsofMS14]

Don’t watch it. It made us look terrible at the end...

 

[Len2003]

It paints a picture that is not remotely what reality was. Croom plays the victim and basically says no one could have done any better than what he did.

For all the hate that Mullen got over his loyalty to Hev, that relationship has nothing on Sly and Woody.

I actually started feeling sorry for Croom during it and had to snap myself back into reality. He teared up at one point.

 

[MSUDC11]

One positive thing about Croom: His teams beat Alabama twice.

The 2006 Bama team was coached by Mike Shula, and the 2007 team lost to UL Monroe. Don’t let the uniforms fool you, those two Alabama teams sucked. I will give him credit for beating two good Auburn and Kentucky teams on the road, though.

That 2007 season was really weird in hindsight. I’m not sure that team was significantly better than any of his other teams, but they somehow went 8-5. It was a big breath of fresh air compared to every thing else from 2001 to 2008, but I think all nine of Mullen’s teams here (some of who weren’t all that good) beat the 2007 crew by double digits. Now that I think about it, I would be fascinated to see a Woody McCorvey offense versus a Peter Sirmon defense.

 

[Go Budaw]

In our dramatic near-comeback against homeless Tulane, we also burned Arceto Clark's redshirt for no good reason.

I seem to remember Clark’s redshirt being burned way later than that. Tulane was only the 3rd game of the season....it’s not all that unusual for redshirts to get pulled that early in the year. I was thinking it was after we’d already clinched bowl ineligibility and were also already getting our asses kicked by somebody when he just put Clark out there with absolutely zero 17’s given.

 

[josebrown]

I remember getting some awesome free tickets to the 2006 Tulane game... just to see us get absolutely beat down by a terrible team. We'd gotten shutout the first two games before that. We finally moved Omar Conner from WR back to QB and scored. I we started Tray Rutland - left handed QB - and had him doing bootlegs to his right, then awkwardly trying to turn and get squared up before throwing. It's like we were calling plays that no one had actually practiced.

If you stayed for both halves of that Tulane game, then I'm sure we talked at some point. I think in the second half my son and I counted under a hundred of folks left once we started coming back some, thank you to Omar. It hurt so bad I had to laugh at some of those games...

 

[The Peeper]

I'm too lazy to look it up, but i doubt many other teams beat them both in the same year in the last 9 years either