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jimmymacbnj

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Pretty horrid show by RU...should of b beaten this team....did Flood ever hear of a blitz....classic RU stinko...all on Flood...Lavianos gaffs didn't help either
 

RUforJERSEY

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Why blitz when you can sit in soft zones with receivers simply sitting down in the soft spots in it.
 
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scarletrat

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When we didn't play back it helped to rush their qb
But that was maybe 3-4 times all game

Fear was them throwing deep but all they did was dink and dunk and throw down the middle.

We should have won. Eh.
 

satnom

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MSU just won their game by blitzing Oregon under similar circumstances that we lost in the opponents final drive. The DCs for MSU put pressure on the Oregon qb that has a better arm and more mobile than Was St qb. RU defensive play calling was worse than the PAC 12 crew officiating.

GO RU
 
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vkj91

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MSU just won their game by blitzing Oregon under similar circumstances that we lost in the opponents final drive. The DCs for MSU put pressure on the Oregon qb that has a better arm and more mobile than Was St qb. RU defensive play calling was worse than the PAC 12 crew officiating.

GO RU
MSU played cover 2 most of the night.
 

PhDKnight

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MSU played cover 2 but they were blitzing from different angles all night. On the sack on the last drive they showed blitz from 1 LB spot and brought 3 guys (it looked like a LB, Safety and Corner) from the opposite side. Flood and Rossi do know that is legal right?
 

bryanjints

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You guys do realize that in order to blitz CBs are going to be left alone to cover 1 on 1. Which wouldn't be a problem but if you haven't noticed our best DBs are now facing jail time.
 

jimmymacbnj

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You do realize Turay plays D line? He doesn't need to blitz. Rushing th QB is his job.
I know....didn't hear his named called the entire game except for the off side call....non factor in game.....I wasn't expecting Clowny ......
 

vkj91

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I know....didn't hear his named called the entire game except for the off side call....non factor in game.....I wasn't expecting Clowny ......
Panagos is out best coach....is that floods fault as well?
 

rucoe89

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Interestingly, thought the DBs played well given their lack of experience. Thought the DL was pathetic given the hype around them. Still not BigTen level DL.
 
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OffTheBanks_rivals

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Remember when our defense used to move around on the line, disguise blitzes, confuse offenses, make TFLs and give us something to cheer for? Those memories are fading by the week.
 

NewJerseyGuy

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Remember when our defense used to move around on the line, disguise blitzes, confuse offenses, make TFLs and give us something to cheer for? Those memories are fading by the week.

Yes, when the sidelines looked like this:

 

satnom

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MSU played cover 2 most of the night.
The Oregon QB was made to feel uncomfortable especially on the final drive. The WSU qb just sat in the pocket and threw to open areas in the face of rushers outnumbered by blockers. Rossi did not make proper adjustments. We played defense not to lose instead of to win. The WSU did not have a cannon of an arm and most of us would be satisfied if he chucked it up to one on one coverage while be pressured but he sat there all night just dinking and dunking the RU defense to victory. Pretty frustrating.

GO RU
 

RU05

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I'll throw a gripe out there.

How do you call your last time out mid way through the 4th on a FG attempt by the opposition?

Think we could have used that on the dagger TD by WSU?
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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MSU's defensive philosophy in the past few years has been to leave their corners on an island. They also have an attack mentality up front. They are pretty cutting edge with the way they pressure the QB. Their defense is actually based on the "quarters" concept. MSU's defensive philosophy has been to force QBs into low percentage throws. The staple of pass-based spread and Airraid offenses has been high percentage passes. There's a good analysis here. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/michigan-state-oregon-pat-narduzzi-defense-breakdown/

One of the interesting things in the article was Dantonio and Narduzzi mentioning that it's easier to play bump and run coverage than it is to play off of the receiver, and that it takes a better player to play off of the receiver. Food for thought.
 
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miketd1

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Let's be honest: the gameplan was fine, but the kids didn't execute. Hard to win at any level with so many turnovers. Couple that with poor red zone conversion and it's a comedy of errors. The QB must not throw INTs. The RB can't fumble the ball. And if a DB is lucky enough to get two hands on a ball, they should catch it.

Would I have liked to see more personnel groupings and pressure packages? Sure. But an honest assessment reveals that the coaches put the kids in position to win and that's 90% of their job.
 
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Panthergrowl13

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MSU played cover 2 but they were blitzing from different angles all night. On the sack on the last drive they showed blitz from 1 LB spot and brought 3 guys (it looked like a LB, Safety and Corner) from the opposite side. Flood and Rossi do know that is legal right?

That is the D installed by Narduzzi.

I guess the new DC at MSU is retaining many elements of that defense.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 

miketd1

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Lotus: they recruit height/weight/length in their CBs. I don't they the sense that Rutgers recruits for scheme the way MSU does. We generally just get the best players we can and figure it out later (hence so many position switches, especially RB/DB/WR).
 
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RUschool

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Lotus: they recruit height/weight/length in their CBs. I don't they the sense that Rutgers recruits for scheme the way MSU does. We generally just get the best players we can and figure it out later (hence so many position switches, especially RB/DB/WR).
Some of our fans praise the 1-2 hidden gems in the rough that we find with our 2 star recruits but we need at least 6-7 good players on each side of the line. We now have 3-4 good players on each side due to our recruiting. We now have 3 years of recruiting from Flood class and next year 4 years with only the offensive line left from Schiano recruits. That's why recruiting is important.
 

RU#1fan

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HE HAS HEART AND INTEGRITY!

I take a Coach who knows what's he is doing.
Flood has no business being a FBS Head Coach.

We lost to the bottom dweller of the Pac 10 at home.
Anybody want to wager that WSU does not win more than 4 games this year ?
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Lotus: they recruit height/weight/length in their CBs. I don't they the sense that Rutgers recruits for scheme the way MSU does. We generally just get the best players we can and figure it out later (hence so many position switches, especially RB/DB/WR).
The bigger issue is player development. MSU has had quite a few lightly recruited players develop into solid or all-conference performers. Position switches have been less and less successful at RU over the years. That's all about coaching.
 
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beaced_rivals

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You guys do realize that in order to blitz CBs are going to be left alone to cover 1 on 1. Which wouldn't be a problem but if you haven't noticed our best DBs are now facing jail time.
You saw that NOT blitzing was a total bummer.They didn't cover as it was so what was there to lose?Pressure could have caused some errant throws that even our guys could have handled.
 
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RUBand

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MSU played cover 2 but they were blitzing from different angles all night. On the sack on the last drive they showed blitz from 1 LB spot and brought 3 guys (it looked like a LB, Safety and Corner) from the opposite side. Flood and Rossi do know that is legal right?
I agree 100% Just got off the phone with my buddy, huge RU fan who was at the game, both agreed that it seemed that every time we blitzed Wash. St. qb had trouble - what was Flood afraid of, no pass coverage down field?????
 

Knight Shift

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Flood wanted to e-mail a professor for the answers, but he realizes now that this activity is not allowed.
 

zappaa

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You guys do realize that in order to blitz CBs are going to be left alone to cover 1 on 1. Which wouldn't be a problem but if you haven't noticed our best DBs are now facing jail time.
Who cares, when the QB has no time it doesn't matter, when we did blitz a handful of times he threw incomplete....scared of the big play makes you lose in a one TD game
 

WhiteBus

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Let's be honest: the gameplan was fine, but the kids didn't execute. Hard to win at any level with so many turnovers. Couple that with poor red zone conversion and it's a comedy of errors. The QB must not throw INTs. The RB can't fumble the ball. And if a DB is lucky enough to get two hands on a ball, they should catch it.

Would I have liked to see more personnel groupings and pressure packages? Sure. But an honest assessment reveals that the coaches put the kids in position to win and that's 90% of their job.
The game plan was fine??? What game were you watching??
 
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PhDKnight

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All but the best NFL QBs make big mistakes under pressure, let alone mediocre P5 staring QBs.
 

kupuna133

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When we didn't play back it helped to rush their qb
But that was maybe 3-4 times all game

Fear was them throwing deep but all they did was dink and dunk and throw down the middle.

We should have won. Eh.
That's what the air raid offense is based on. The dink and dunk and getting your athletes the ball in space. YAC not always trying for he bomb. Always going for the bomb is he RU offense. Throwing into double coverage to try for a 40 yard gain when a wide open receiver is open under neath.
 

miketd1

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The game plan was fine??? What game were you watching??
The kids were in position. If the DB gets the INT, we are celebrating. The entire reason you play cover-2 is you're betting the QB will eventually make a mistake. The QB did at the absolute PERFECT time, but we failed to capitalize. And then we turned it over 3 times. Even Chip Kelly's cutting edge schemes don't work with that kind of turnover ratio and abysmal red zone conversion rate. That's why he doubled-down to get Sam Bradford -- he's not going to make boneheaded decisions with the football (Vick) or settle for field goals (Foles).
 
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