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ChupacabraDawg

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I’ve generally been all about fitz and not sharing time with key. But tonight just showed how bad of a passer fitz is. That int was pathetic and he just made really awful throws. At this point, I’d say let’s just see what keyton can do and for get about fitz...
 

Drebin

Heisman
Aug 22, 2012
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This. Several big drops tonight.

My only gripe with Fitz is that he missed on a couple of really big reads. He's not the one calling the plays, or taking 30 seconds to get the plays in, or false starting, or not blocking their defensive end, or getting unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

Fitz could have played better. But he's the best we have. Putting this on him is stupid.
 

Dawgzilla

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Mar 3, 2008
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Yeah, I posted this elsewhere; Fitz had a bad game, but there is plenty of blame to go around on this one. If we commit fewer penalties, and maybe figure out how to handle Josh Allen, the offense could have been completely different.

OTOH, the "Fitz is what he is" crowd can send that order of crow back to the head chef.
 

TrueMaroonGrind

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If we don't find a left tackle Joe Montana couldn't help us

This. Fitz never had a clean pocket all night. Hard to do much when you are shedding tacklers and running across field before you throw. The int was bad bud Fitz never had a chance. The LT spot might as well have been empty.
 

Drebin

Heisman
Aug 22, 2012
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It's not him losing a step. It's this style of offense. He's not hitting the hole or running downhill. Too much tip-toeing and dancing....too much slow-developing runs. Last year he put his foot down and took off. It's just a different offensive style.
 

Shamoan

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Jun 27, 2013
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I know this much, other sec defenses are going to do EXACTLY what U.K. Did tonight. Maybe the wet ball had a huge unseen effect, but under no circumstances can we allow defenses dictate the plays we run. We cannot allow defenses to force us to pass every down.
 

Drebin

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Aug 22, 2012
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I know this much, other sec defenses are going to do EXACTLY what U.K. Did tonight. Maybe the wet ball had a huge unseen effect, but under no circumstances can we allow defenses dictate the plays we run. We cannot allow defenses to force us to pass every down.

We're going to play 4 or 5 teams with better defensive lines than the one we played tonight. Let that sink in if you want the rest of your wool sheared.
 

ChupacabraDawg

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Sep 16, 2013
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I can support this. BUT that int was a piss poor pass that I would have made. A sec starter should be able to hit a wide open receiver on a crossing route. Only a bozo like me would over throw that by 10 yards.
 

olblue.sixpack

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Aug 14, 2012
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I’ve generally been all about fitz and not sharing time with key. But tonight just showed how bad of a passer fitz is. That int was pathetic and he just made really awful throws. At this point, I’d say let’s just see what keyton can do and for get about fitz...

I don’t doubt that Moorhead Is a good QB coach. But anybody who thinks he is better at it than Dan Mullen is either a blind homer, writes for Gene’s Page, or both.

Fitzgerald is what he is and so is Thompson - two athletic guys who can run it and struggle in the passing game. Especially with the decision making required in an effective passive game.
 

MarkDallas

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Aug 27, 2014
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I know this much, other sec defenses are going to do EXACTLY what U.K. Did tonight. Maybe the wet ball had a huge unseen effect, but under no circumstances can we allow defenses dictate the plays we run. We cannot allow defenses to force us to pass every down.

Nobody forced us to pass every down. We did that to ourselves.

We still could have been running the ball deep into the 4th quarter.
 

Bulldogg31

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Dec 9, 2013
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Nobody forced us to pass every down. We did that to ourselves.

We still could have been running the ball deep into the 4th quarter.

Actually with our offensive system Kentucky DID force us to pass every down. That’s how the system is designed.
 

SyonaraStanz

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If only he had given a teary eyed post game speech about how he won't let us lose another game this year, I'd be more confident in him.
 

olblue.sixpack

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Aug 14, 2012
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If only he had given a teary eyed post game speech about how he won't let us lose another game this year, I'd be more confident in him.

Speaking of Tim Tebow, he wasn’t particularly adept at the passing game either - evidenced by his brief tenure in the NFL.

But he had so many weapons at Florida, he could miss the barn door and some 5 Star athlete would bail him out.
 

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
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Last night, Fitz couldn’t step up in the pocket and deliver accurate passes. That’s incredibly disappointing.

The WR dropped some balls, but Fitz missed some WIDE OPEN throws by 10 or 15 yards.
 
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That **** show was not on Fitz. He made one really bad throw. He had a bunch of drops and he was running for his 17’ing life because our left tackles could not block 41.
 

dudehead

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Last night, Fitz couldn’t step up in the pocket and deliver accurate passes. That’s incredibly disappointing.

The WR dropped some balls, but Fitz missed some WIDE OPEN throws by 10 or 15 yards.

This is why I question his ability to throw. He consistently misses “layups” that an FBS QB makes. If an opponent D can force the audible from run to pass under our scheme, it’s going to be a long year if something doesn’t change.
 

Msubulldogfan1

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Sep 12, 2013
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Last night, Fitz couldn’t step up in the pocket and deliver accurate passes. That’s incredibly disappointing.

The WR dropped some balls, but Fitz missed some WIDE OPEN throws by 10 or 15 yards.
Fitz is never gonna make those throws consistently, this is what people need to understand...and maybe JoMo needs to understand.

Fitz is not, and will never be a pocket passer. He’s a potent as 17 duel threat and needs to be treated as such.
 
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Fitz is never gonna make those throws consistently, this is what people need to understand...and maybe JoMo needs to understand.

Fitz is not, and will never be a pocket passer. He’s a potent as 17 duel threat and needs to be treated as such.

But right now he's not even looking dual threat. It looked like we're running the damn wildcat half the time. There were multiple times last night where he just missed the read and there were multiple people open. To be considered dual threat you have to be able to throw it consistently and right now he can't.
 

Msubulldogfan1

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But right now he's not even looking dual threat. It looked like we're running the damn wildcat half the time. There were multiple times last night where he just missed the read and there were multiple people open. To be considered dual threat you have to be able to throw it consistently and right now he can't.

I think you also have to consider the drops, absolute lack of protection (he was harassed big time all night) zero run game support, plus the weather conditions.

Not saying if you take these away, he’s peyton Manning....but he is probably back to average passing.
 

Seinfeld

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Nov 30, 2006
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I will defend Fitz on almost anything, but that overthrow was a disastrous, game changing mistake that you can’t have from a 5th year senior. He had time, his feet were set, and he flat out missed the target by 15 yards.
 

Msubulldogfan1

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I will defend Fitz on almost anything, but that overthrow was a disastrous, game changing mistake that you can’t have from a 5th year senior. He had time, his feet were set, and he flat out missed the target by 15 yards.
That thrownis indefensible, for sure. No QB should miss like that.

All I’m saying is, younmix up those ingredients I listed in my previous post, and this is what you get.
 

Bulldog Bruce

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Nov 1, 2007
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He just has not had enough experience as a passer to be a passer. He cannot read the coverage. I talked about this with Baker Mayfield the other day. Baker seems to be throwing to guys that are wide open because he can read the coverage and knows WHEN they will be open. Nick sees the guy open and when he throws it he is covered back up again. That in turn makes him hesitant to let it go. I think that ability is a god given deal because there seem to be very few guys who can do it. You have to be able to see into the future to be a great passer.
 

dudehead

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Jul 9, 2006
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He just has not had enough experience as a passer to be a passer. He cannot read the coverage. I talked about this with Baker Mayfield the other day. Baker seems to be throwing to guys that are wide open because he can read the coverage and knows WHEN they will be open. Nick sees the guy open and when he throws it he is covered back up again. That in turn makes him hesitant to let it go. I think that ability is a god given deal because there seem to be very few guys who can do it. You have to be able to see into the future to be a great passer.

This. True QBs see the open WR before they’re open and that is when the throw decision is made. I think Marino was a master at this, hence his quick release.
 
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