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TheC

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What inconsistency? It will mean we won 12 of 13 BIG games and will be in the driver's seat for the BIG championship game...
We don't get any money if NU wins games. What we get out of it is entertainment and maybe a little joy to our day. Was today really fun? Have a lot of our games lately been fun? That MSU game was fun, admittedly. The first 20 minutes of Michigan were fun. But there has been a lot of un-fun football to watch this year. So people complain. Not sure why you don't get that. We cheer. We complain. We're like 99% of all other sports fans. That's why its such a big business. It provides joy and even when it doesn't, it provides an outlet to stomp and curse over something that ultimately doesn't really affect our lives. Its mostly harmless.

Now, I agree that its more real to the coaches and players. And maybe its harsh to be calling for coaches' jobs. But they know what they have signed up for. That's why they get paid way more money to be an assistant coach of a kids' game than I make as a scientist trying to help fight disease. Its all kind of screwy, but we've all accepted the deal.

So rage on ECat! Just don't ever let your wife or employer find out about this site!
 

Purple Pile Driver

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If you think the one game at a time concept is nonsense, respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

A wise coach once told me you’re only as good as the last time you played. So the answer is no, we stink. We stunk the last time we played at Rutgers, so we stink. However, we won. That actually helps the team’s preparation for next week as winning while playing ****** is a good blend of confidence builder with a complacency antidote. No, we didn’t stink earlier this year after we beat Purdue or Michigan State on the road.

I have two Big Ten championship rings, so here are my first hand observations:

In 1995, our lackluster come from behind road wins over a bad (5-5-1) Illinois and a terrible (3-8) Minnesota team secured one of those rings. By the way, we beat Wisconsin 35-0 a week after coming from behind to beat that terrible (3-8) Minnesota team. Should I mention our inexplicable cluster-f*** loss to a MAC team at home in that otherwise 10-1 (8-0) championship season?

The other ring came in 1996 despite a blowout (road) loss to a two loss Penn State team and several ugly wins against Minnesota (4-7), Purdue (3-8), Illinois (2-9) and Wisconsin (8-5). I almost forgot our 17-16 win over Michigan at home that nearly none of the NU fanbase actually witnessed because they all headed for the exits when we were behind in the 3rd quarter despite our 9 game B1G win streak leading up to the 4th quarter of that game. I digress...

I remember the thousands of hours of practicing, film study, game planning, conditioning and injury rehabbing that went into winning those games, and yes, losing a few along the way. Every week had unique challenges... Different styles of play, different match-ups, varying levels of energy and enthusiasm, injuries beyond who just played or not as most had to do with managing and playing through injuries that impacted effectiveness.

I then supplement this experience with 22 more years of observation of B1G Champions and many other teams who came close.

Our 2000 Championship NU team had a defense I could best describe as just terrible. That season had a series of improbable wins including inexplicable opponent fumbles, Hail Marys, desperation 4th and long completions and many other highly improbable events strung together. (An explicable loss to a bad Iowa team cost that Championship NU team the Rose Bowl by the way...)

This isn’t just an NU phenomenon. Ohio State’s undefeated 2002 B1G and National Championship team’s offense would made NU’s 2015 (10-2 team) offense look explosive. They did have a great defense though. Even that national champion OSU team required last second heroics and overtime to beat 4-4 Purdue and Illinois teams late in the season.

And our best overall NU team in terms of offense, defense and special teams the past 40 years (2012’s 10-3 team) still somehow managed to blow three close games to Nebraska, Michigan and Penn State that they should have won. (Most of the other 10 wins were pretty good-looking though).

In summary, yes, we stink, but we’re 4-1 with wins over a team that just crushed Ohio State, a team that beat Penn State, a team that just blew out Minnesota and one team that has a pulse... The 1 loss we have in conference play (to Michigan) is a game with a lot of would have, could have, should haves. That Michigan team blew out arch rival Wisconsin last week and beat Michigan State by the way.

The one good thing from this Rutgers win (other than the winning part) is that despite injury to our 4 or 5 best running backs (I lost count), we may actually have found a freshman running back on the roster (just coming off injury himself) that can run down hill in a physical manner give us a running game an opposing defense has to defend. That’s pretty huge. We don’t need a world-beating running game by the way. We just need a passable one to get defenses out of pass rush and pass defense-only mode.

I have little doubt we can beat any B1G team left on our schedule with the status quo running game, but It’s highly improbable we can beat 3 or 4 of them without a running game.

Yes, I’m hopeful the Cats can figure out a way to get a 1 point win next week against the most flawed Wisconsin team I’ve seen in many years. We might still stink after that win, but I’ll take it. I’ll worry about what’s next later.
NU was really bad yesterday. However, it feels like one of those years that bizarre things continue to happen and NU takes the West. Next week will tell us. Anyone that has played team sports even at levels not as high as MR understands that best team doesn’t always win and most every team throws a stinker or two in each season. Now that I got back off the ledge, I feel very hopeful about next week.
 

StreamCat

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I almost forgot our 17-16 win over Michigan at home that nearly none of the NU fanbase actually witnessed because they all headed for the exits when we were behind in the 3rd quarter despite our 9 game B1G win streak leading up to the 4th quarter of that game.
Boy, I don’t remember people leaving that game. Who were all those people on the field after the game?
 

mikewebb68

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We don't get any money if NU wins games. What we get out of it is entertainment and maybe a little joy to our day. Was today really fun? Have a lot of our games lately been fun? That MSU game was fun, admittedly. The first 20 minutes of Michigan were fun. But there has been a lot of un-fun football to watch this year. So people complain. Not sure why you don't get that. We cheer. We complain. We're like 99% of all other sports fans. That's why its such a big business. It provides joy and even when it doesn't, it provides an outlet to stomp and curse over something that ultimately doesn't really affect our lives. Its mostly harmless.

Now, I agree that its more real to the coaches and players. And maybe its harsh to be calling for coaches' jobs. But they know what they have signed up for. That's why they get paid way more money to be an assistant coach of a kids' game than I make as a scientist trying to help fight disease. Its all kind of screwy, but we've all accepted the deal.

So rage on ECat! Just don't ever let your wife or employer find out about this site!
Don't know what any of this has to do with my question about consistency. but I had fun yesterday. My favortire team won its third in a row, 11th BIG game in its last 12, and 6th BIG road game in a row, which is the longest active streak in thi BIG, I believe. They are also in contention for the BIG title in late October.

And my second favorite ream also won, and appears to be set up for quite a winning streak...
 

SimpsonElmwood

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Don't know what any of this has to do with my question about consistency. but I had fun yesterday. My favortire team won its third in a row, 11th BIG game in its last 12, and 6th BIG road game in a row, which is the longest active streak in thi BIG, I believe. They are also in contention for the BIG title in late October.

And my second favorite ream also won, and appears to be set up for quite a winning streak...

If I can drive 2 hours to a Cat game that we win, sign me up. I don’t care how ugly it is.
 

Deeringfish

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Don't know what any of this has to do with my question about consistency. but I had fun yesterday. My favortire team won its third in a row, 11th BIG game in its last 12, and 6th BIG road game in a row, which is the longest active streak in thi BIG, I believe. They are also in contention for the BIG title in late October.

And my second favorite ream also won, and appears to be set up for quite a winning streak...
I have had wins that I wasn't happy about but for some reason, I enjoyed yesterday's game and felt NU would pull it out.
 

MrCat95

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True, but if we aspire to beat them in the standings, then the inconsistency is something we have to minimize.

I aspire to be 13-0, so I’d love to have Alabama’s dominance, consistency and talent. However, I also live on planet earth.

We’re pretty much a 6-6 program right now that finds a way to win 3-4 clutch close games to get to 9 or 10 wins. They call that a 9 or 10 win program by the way.
 

Catreporter

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Love your posts MR CAT and I was a fan who stayed right to the end of that 17-16 game. I noticed Ohio State had 25 carries for 75 yards at Purdue last night. The same team we rushed for 166 yards against. I'd say Urban Meyer needs to fire someone! Ha ha
 
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The 25% that stayed.

Well, I was one of them who stayed MR. I remember NU had to kick the winning FG twice because Michigan got one of its famous phantom timeouts (they beat Penn State with something similar a few years later) during the first kick. Also remember Fitz exhorting the crowd. That's one of my favorite NU wins because of all the bitching and moaning the Michigan fans were doing on the shuttle bus after the game that they'd lost two in a row to NORTHWESTERN. Although you weren't quite as solid in the back end of the defense that year (and then had to draw Peyton Manning in the bowl game), that was a fun team to watch with some last-minute wins and the pounding of Iowa.
 

SmellyCat

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I stayed until the end too. One of my very favorite Wildcat wins ever. I remember talking to some Michigan fans after the game that said it was even worse or them than the Kordell Stewart Hail Mary from a few years earlier. Because we were still "just" Northwestern then.
 

MrCat95

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I respect your opinion, but I was there and the stands were packed. Even the end zone is standing room only in this video with the winning field goal.


The placed cleared out substantially at the end of the 3rd quarter. A lot of people came back in the 4th. I remember this clearly, and I thought it was hilarious.

I think NU added a new policy shortly thereafter that you were not allowed to leave the stadium then return without buying another ticket.
 

Gladeskat

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Is this our version of IA a couple years ago???

Or another version of NU 2013 versus Nebraska where Hanrahan became our only healthy RB.

I respect your opinion, but I was there and the stands were packed. Even the end zone is standing room only in this video with the winning field goal.


Those are probably Michigan fans.
 

SimpsonElmwood

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How was the game experience yesterday? My wife just had surgery, so I had to miss it...
Hope your wife is doing better soon. My daughter had surgery last month so I bought a wheelchair just for her to go to the game. The Greek church lot was at least a half mile away from the gate.

The game day experience was very good for a 1-6 team. There is a core fanatic RU base and they are B1G partiers. That said, I estimate there were 25k in the stadium and they were really spread out. There was no crowd noise until the second quarter.

There were three to four sections of NU fans but they were lots of open seats in those sections as well. The NU fans I were around sounded like casual fans for the most part...regional alums who were happy to see a game in person. Given that perspective they had normal "NU expectations" - hope for a win but used to losing.

The relatives of players I talked to had that same perspective - they expected victory but with a score like 20-14. Given that I am exposed to people with much loftier expectations I was surprised by their predictions.

It was chilly in the first half but the sun came out in the second half literally and metaphorically.

Go Cats!
 

Pukecat

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I have little doubt we can beat any B1G team left on our schedule with the status quo running game, but It’s highly improbable we can beat 3 or 4 of them without a running game.

It’s a good thing our line is better in the run game then. Good to know you think we can beat any team left on the schedule. That’s good enough though I don’t mind you flashing your rings around in a post either. You did earn them.
 

CatManTrue

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Hope your wife is doing better soon. My daughter had surgery last month so I bought a wheelchair just for her to go to the game. The Greek church lot was at least a half mile away from the gate.

The game day experience was very good for a 1-6 team. There is a core fanatic RU base and they are B1G partiers. That said, I estimate there were 25k in the stadium and they were really spread out. There was no crowd noise until the second quarter.

There were three to four sections of NU fans but they were lots of open seats in those sections as well. The NU fans I were around sounded like casual fans for the most part...regional alums who were happy to see a game in person. Given that perspective they had normal "NU expectations" - hope for a win but used to losing.

The relatives of players I talked to had that same perspective - they expected victory but with a score like 20-14. Given that I am exposed to people with much loftier expectations I was surprised by their predictions.

It was chilly in the first half but the sun came out in the second half literally and metaphorically.

Go Cats!
I’m glad you all had a fun time as well. Their announced attendance was about 32K, but I’d be surprised if there were 20K actually there. A lot of Rutgers fans stayed outside to tailgate, including the STHs that we procured our tickets from.

Their fans who did attend were loud and knew how to cheer, especially after the back-to-back 15 yard penalties. If they had packed the place they could have really impacted the game, although their fan base seems demoralized from the Ash experiment.

I thought we would have more fans there a la the Pinstripe bowl, and if we were 4-2 or 5-1 and ranked I bet we would have had an impressive turnout.

Also, where we sat the weather was nice & sunny in the first half but a bit chillier in the second. I wore three layers beneath my coat and appreciated each after the game. It also didn’t seem too windy before or during the game, but it could have been different on the field. I’m glad the rain ended long before the game started.
 

PZAZ

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I too remember that 17-16 game and recall the stands packed. That’s what convinced my daughter to go to NU where she played lax.
 

corbi2961

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I aspire to be 13-0, so I’d love to have Alabama’s dominance, consistency and talent. However, I also live on planet earth.

We’re pretty much a 6-6 program right now that finds a way to win 3-4 clutch close games to get to 9 or 10 wins. They call that a 9 or 10 win program by the way.

I think there is a universe of teams that operate in the gap between Alabama and a 6-6 team. I thought we had reached that level but perhaps that’s where we disagree. I’d like to believe I am a realist but perhaps I am seeing the college football world through my purple colored glasses.
 

CSCatFan1

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We don't get any money if NU wins games. What we get out of it is entertainment and maybe a little joy to our day. Was today really fun? Have a lot of our games lately been fun? That MSU game was fun, admittedly. The first 20 minutes of Michigan were fun. But there has been a lot of un-fun football to watch this year. So people complain. Not sure why you don't get that. We cheer. We complain. We're like 99% of all other sports fans. That's why its such a big business. It provides joy and even when it doesn't, it provides an outlet to stomp and curse over something that ultimately doesn't really affect our lives. Its mostly harmless.

Now, I agree that its more real to the coaches and players. And maybe its harsh to be calling for coaches' jobs. But they know what they have signed up for. That's why they get paid way more money to be an assistant coach of a kids' game than I make as a scientist trying to help fight disease. Its all kind of screwy, but we've all accepted the deal.

So rage on ECat! Just don't ever let your wife or employer find out about this site!

It was great fun for me. Got to see the Cats live and in color. Sure there were some ups and downs, but I felt confident all day. I loved watching Bowser perform on the big stage and so many others step up and make plays in the 4th quarter. Players like Gaz, Miller, Hartage, Nagel, Lees, Hanaoka and Bergin all flashed when needed. I’m with MR....take the road W, get healthy, learn from our mistakes and come back focused (with a few new wrinkles) to take on the Badgers.
 

MrCat95

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I think there is a universe of teams that operate in the gap between Alabama and a 6-6 team. I thought we had reached that level but perhaps that’s where we disagree. I’d like to believe I am a realist but perhaps I am seeing the college football world through my purple colored glasses.

Our recruiting and talent level plateaued at about middle of the league level about a decade ago and has oscillated a little above and below that level since. We had pretty good players then, and we have pretty good players now. This notion that we're just way deeper and more talented in 2018 than we were in 2008 doesn’t hold water based on my eyeballs or empirical observation of Big Ten recruiting.

We can still win a championship with this current (mid) level of recruiting with excellent player development, but we do need a few more things to fall into place and a little more good-fortune.

In the meantime, I hope the new practice facility can elevate the level of recruiting we can expect in the coming years to move us from about median to about top quartile in Big Ten recruiting talent. Our program’s excellent reputation and leadership has gotten us pretty far as does the excellent value proposition of an NU degree, but the gameday environment and the general lack of “big state school feel” is always going to be a hurdle. I do not think the program’s academic standards are the major impediment, but it does bring a few more challenges. However, there are plenty of players on Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan and Iowa’s roster that would be admitted to NU. We need to add a few more of those guys to our recruiting classes.

Michigan State, Wisconsin and even Iowa have been recruiting at that top quartile level for most the decade (a tier above us but below Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan), and it makes beating the likes of Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan a higher probability endeavor.
 

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Don't know what any of this has to do with my question about consistency. but I had fun yesterday. My favortire team won its third in a row, 11th BIG game in its last 12, and 6th BIG road game in a row, which is the longest active streak in thi BIG, I believe. They are also in contention for the BIG title in late October.

And my second favorite ream also won, and appears to be set up for quite a winning streak...
I'm with Mike on this. I had a good time at the tailgate and, I swear, I get choked up every single time someone (like dr jim did) talks about the academic success of our STUDENT athletes.

...however, after full consideration of the student part, I dont go to watch lacrosse or baseball. I go to watch football because it is entertainment, as Mike says above. That my sound crash, but what else would you call it? I dont know anyone on the team and I wasn't nearly good enough to play for even the dark ages Cats. Unless you like horror movies, entertainment is something you are supposed to enjoy. I've seen three games in person this year (and the rest on TV) - Duke, Akron and Rutgers. Luck of the draw maybe, plus living on the east coast. These games are not enjoyable. Now, Fitz doesn't give a sh1te, and he shouldn't. He's paid to graduate the players, keep them out of trouble and win. But - please - dont make it sound like we are disloyal fans if the product on the field looks like, to paraphrase Shoat Cooper, a bunch of turds that dropped out of a tall cow's ***

https://goo.gl/images/e9jH3g

Um. No
 

PZAZ

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Good discussion. I’m clearly in agreement with MrCat95 but understand that being Cardiac Cats makes it head sometimes. remember something like 70% of players are not eligible for Fitz to recruit yet we’ve done well the past decade.

I wonder and ask the board. If those of us who actually played sports at least in high school and even better played in college, whether we understand the 1-0 concept since every team you play is different, and your team may have injuries to key people including those that no one knows about and there’s also the mental factor that’s huge (one can overlook an opponent or had a fight with girlfriend or teammates disagree or whatever). I’ve been there so know.

I think the most vocal critics here are those who never played. It’s appeopriaye to be critical at times but to complain how bad we r when we win seems like one doesn’t really know what it’s like.
 

NU Houston

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Our recruiting and talent level plateaued at about middle of the league level about a decade ago and has oscillated a little above and below that level since. We had pretty good players then, and we have pretty good players now. This notion that we're just way deeper and more talented in 2018 than we were in 2008 doesn’t hold water based on my eyeballs or empirical observation
I think it depends on which position group you're talking about. Recent depth at RB and DB is much better than it was earlier this decade. At one point, we were so weak at those positions that a 5th year senior switched to defense and started at CB, and walkons and the likes of Arby Fields were starting at RB. I do think that the OL and WR depth is lacking now, but across the board, there is generally more depth at most position groups.
 

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I recall the 1996 and 2000 Michigan games as the best games I've ever attended (but I don't attend that many games and none nowadays). The 1996 one was the one with the formation with the tackles lining up next to the wide receivers on a couple plays, right?

When I started rooting for this team, any Big Ten win was a good win, and no matter what, we loved our team we loved our team etc... I still remember that enough to be happy about a win over Rutgers.
 

corbi2961

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Our recruiting and talent level plateaued at about middle of the league level about a decade ago and has oscillated a little above and below that level since. We had pretty good players then, and we have pretty good players now. This notion that we're just way deeper and more talented in 2018 than we were in 2008 doesn’t hold water based on my eyeballs or empirical observation of Big Ten recruiting.

We can still win a championship with this current (mid) level of recruiting with excellent player development, but we do need a few more things to fall into place and a little more good-fortune.

In the meantime, I hope the new practice facility can elevate the level of recruiting we can expect in the coming years to move us from about median to about top quartile in Big Ten recruiting talent. Our program’s excellent reputation and leadership has gotten us pretty far as does the excellent value proposition of an NU degree, but the gameday environment and the general lack of “big state school feel” is always going to be a hurdle. I do not think the program’s academic standards are the major impediment, but it does bring a few more challenges. However, there are plenty of players on Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan and Iowa’s roster that would be admitted to NU. We need to add a few more of those guys to our recruiting classes.

Michigan State, Wisconsin and even Iowa have been recruiting at that top quartile level for most the decade (a tier above us but below Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan), and it makes beating the likes of Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan a higher probability endeavor.

I think our recruiting has stepped up to be on par with Iowa the last 4-5 years and a notch below MSU and Wisconsin. In order to truly compete for Big Ten Championships on a semi regular basis, we need to step up to the Iowa/Wisconsin level and we must make sure that our entire staff excels with player development. The difference between NU's recruiting and that next level is not much. It's the equivalent of turning 2-4 three star caliber recruits into 4 star caliber recruits on an annual basis. That should be very achievable in my mind.
 

Gladeskat

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I think our recruiting has stepped up to be on par with Iowa the last 4-5 years and a notch below MSU and Wisconsin..

Iowa has about 25 guys in the NFL right now. NU has 10-12. That hasn't changed in a decade. We are a few notches behind Iowa in recruiting, regardless of stars or whatever.

Lots of people here say we're recruiting better than ever. I don't see it at all.
 

corbi2961

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Iowa has about 25 guys in the NFL right now. NU has 10-12. We are a few notches behind Iowa in recruiting, regardless of stars or whatever.

Historically yes, over the last half of Fitz’s tenure I don’t see much of a difference in recruiting talent. I do think they have done a better job of developing talent, particularly on the OL.
 

Gladeskat

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Historically yes, over the last half of Fitz’s tenure I don’t see much of a difference in recruiting talent. I do think they have done a better job of developing talent, particularly on the OL.

OL, DL, TE's (!!), LB's