Fitz - Key

[mount lefroy]

I’m sure most believe, at the present moment minus injuries, Fitz is the clear favorite. I have no problem with that.

But will anyone be too surprised if Key gels with the new staff due to being less ingrained in Mullen’s style? I mean, this is a completely different coach, new language, downfield passing emphasis, and probably a different set of criteria he evaluates with.

I just don’t see the VAST difference in the two as far as potential. I do see the salty experience and toughness Fitz brings. But you know Key has to have gained some confidence with the bowl game.

Just wondering if there are those besides me that see a chance Key rises and finds a chemistry with the new coaches and wr’s.

 

[patdog]

Fitz isn't the clear favorite. He is our quarterback. Period. Key is a solid backup and will be a good starter for us in 2019-2020.

 

[Dawgzilla]

The only chance I see of Key becoming the starter is if Nick just cannot get control of the deep throws. He was horrible in that area this past season, although his most common mistake was overthrowing the open guys. He has the arm strength and can hopefully gain some accuracy working with Moorhead. As long as Fitz can put the deep throws where the receivers can go get them, Fitz will be the starter.

 

[MSUDC11]

The only way Fitz doesn’t start is if he is significantly worse than he’s been at any point in his career as a starter.

Keytaon did a solid job after Fitz got injured, but in no way whatsoever was his performance good enough to unseat Fitz.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

I’m sure most believe, at the present moment minus injuries, Fitz is the clear favorite. I have no problem with that.

But will anyone be too surprised if Key gels with the new staff due to being less ingrained in Mullen’s style? I mean, this is a completely different coach, new language, downfield passing emphasis, and probably a different set of criteria he evaluates with.

I just don’t see the VAST difference in the two as far as potential. I do see the salty experience and toughness Fitz brings. But you know Key has to have gained some confidence with the bowl game.

Just wondering if there are those besides me that see a chance Key rises and finds a chemistry with the new coaches and wr’s.

My understanding is that the offensive concepts are similar, so I wouldn’t guess there would be any issues from having to learn the new offense.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Slightly OT- but what's the word on designed QB runs in JoMo's offense? That would of course play to the strengths of both our QB's.

 

[AlCoDog]

Horrible? I disagree. Our outside WR options had a lot to do with it.

 

[Lettucexxxx]

I’m sure most believe, at the present moment minus injuries, Fitz is the clear favorite. I have no problem with that.

But will anyone be too surprised if Key gels with the new staff due to being less ingrained in Mullen’s style? I mean, this is a completely different coach, new language, downfield passing emphasis, and probably a different set of criteria he evaluates with.

I just don’t see the VAST difference in the two as far as potential. I do see the salty experience and toughness Fitz brings. But you know Key has to have gained some confidence with the bowl game.

Just wondering if there are those besides me that see a chance Key rises and finds a chemistry with the new coaches and wr’s.

I think some here don't really understand the consequences of the injury to Nick. As someone who has completely torn up an ankle......it's never the same. Sure, you will eventually get the North South speed back....but it takes at least a full year........and we can forget about him rushing for 130 yrds a game, because:

A. Joe doesn't run that offense
B. Nick CANT because of mobility.

So that brings us to this:

Two qbs learning a new system. One that is hurt, and one who is healthy.
Both posses good, strong arms....big....shifty....Although Key will end up the more Athletic of the two because of the injury.

Sure, Nick will mask it. He will do his best......but he won't be able to hold on to his job if he isn't able to throw the football accurately. HE WILL NOT RELY ON HIS LEGS. I can promise you that both qbs will be able to run the offense but if Key gives us a better chance to win, I'd expect Joe to make the correct decision and start him. The entire "he plays cause he is fitz" is ********. I trust if Joe starts Key, we will be fine. The passing cream will rise to the top.......whoever it may be......and I will have NO problem with it.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

The only chance I see of Key becoming the starter is if Nick just cannot get control of the deep throws. He was horrible in that area this past season, although his most common mistake was overthrowing the open guys. He has the arm strength and can hopefully gain some accuracy working with Moorhead. As long as Fitz can put the deep throws where the receivers can go get them, Fitz will be the starter.

. Accuracy you say. But,but Mullen is a quarterback whisperer ***

 

[patdog]

You can't compare your injury to Nick's for a couple of reasons. You didn't have the same injury. By all public accounts, he didn't have any torn ligaments or tendons. And his rehab and treatment would have been much more aggressive than yours was.

 

[Lettucexxxx]

You can't compare your injury to Nick's for a couple of reasons. You didn't have the same injury. By all public accounts, he didn't have any torn ligaments or tendons. And his rehab and treatment would have been much more aggressive than yours was.

I do not debate any of that and hope you are right. I did aggressively rehab mine, which was part of the problem. Did you know back in 1982 I used to be able to throw a football over them mountains...
My ankle still hurts like a boss.

Point Im trying to make....Fitz will have to rely on his arm, primarily. Was Tredwell the same player? Maybe now but that injury is terrible for someone who is gonna be making a living running from big fast people.

IMO Fitz will have to be pretty damn close to 100% by Aug 1st if he wants to maintain his job.
Im not saying he isn't going to make it, just realize that he won't be 100% healed.....
In that case why assume Nick starts?

Im just saying, why assume he is healthy by Aug?

 

[Lettucexxxx]

That's 4 and 1/3 months away.

Im just saying, the injury is not a 17ing walk in the park.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Did you know back in 1982 I used to be able to throw a football over them mountains...
My ankle still hurts like a boss.

Wait, your surgery and recovery took place 36 years ago? Haha, sweet Jesus......believe it or not, medicine has progressed a good bit since then.

 

[fishwater99]

Fitz is the QB as long as he is healthy. End of story. Key is ready and waiting and I hope he gets his game time too. Need reps with them both in backfield.

 

[engie]

His “overthrows” to last year’s guys are going to be caught quite often by this year’s guys...

 

[5049]

I think some here don't really understand the consequences of the injury to Nick. As someone who has completely torn up an ankle......it's never the same. Sure, you will eventually get the North South speed back....but it takes at least a full year........and we can forget about him rushing for 130 yrds a game, because:

A. Joe doesn't run that offense
B. Nick CANT because of mobility.

So that brings us to this:

Two qbs learning a new system. One that is hurt, and one who is healthy.
Both posses good, strong arms....big....shifty....Although Key will end up the more Athletic of the two because of the injury.

Sure, Nick will mask it. He will do his best......but he won't be able to hold on to his job if he isn't able to throw the football accurately. HE WILL NOT RELY ON HIS LEGS. I can promise you that both qbs will be able to run the offense but if Key gives us a better chance to win, I'd expect Joe to make the correct decision and start him. The entire "he plays cause he is fitz" is ********. I trust if Joe starts Key, we will be fine. The passing cream will rise to the top.......whoever it may be......and I will have NO problem with it.

Laquon Treadwell came back even stronger after THE EXACT SAME INJURY

Seems like there was a quarterback from BYU too that had it

 

[Dawgzilla]

Only if he gets the timing down. His overthrows are not caused by having slow receivers, he is throwing it further than he (hopefully) intends to. He worked with those receivers all year last year. I don't think he ever thought those guys were going to gain a sudden burst of speed so that he really needed to sail the ball out there for them....he was missing them by 10 yards or more. If he has faster receivers, he can still overthrow them if he lacks touch and/or accuracy.