First Man!

[thatsbaseball]

Why don't you just quit beating around the bush and state your problem with this country.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Sure you can. Watch the movie First Man to see that it's certainly possible to make a movie about man landing on the moon without showing him sticking an American flag in the surface. The movie is called First MAN not First AMERICAN.

Yeah, the problem with your take is...the first MAN to step on the moon was an AMERICAN. And it most definitely was a competitive race with the Soviet Union. The world wasn't all kum ba yah globalism back then. We were very much a proud, nationalist country.

 

[DAWG61]

Yeah, the problem with your take is...the first MAN to step on the moon was an AMERICAN. And it most definitely was a competitive race with the Soviet Union. The world wasn't all kum ba yah globalism back then. We were very much a proud, nationalist country.

The movie isn't about his nationality or about patriotism. It's a movie for everyone in the world to watch and feel inspired not just Americans. And no I haven't seen it yet but I plan to.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

The movie isn't about his nationality or about patriotism. It's a movie for everyone in the world to watch and feel inspired not just Americans. And no I haven't seen it yet but I plan to.

So, you haven't see it, yet you have such a strong opinion of what it's about. seems legit. it was an American achievement. it wasn't a global achievement. you don't see the Chinese saying, "look what the world built", with the Great Wall of China. You damn sure wouldn't see Russia sharing any achievement they might have (can't think of any. can anyone else?).

 

[DAWG61]

So, you haven't see it, yet you have such a strong opinion of what it's about. seems legit

Lol that's not stopping any of the Trumpster snowflakes from crying about there not being a special up close shot of him sticking the USA flag into the ground now is it?

 

[DAWG61]

Why don't you just quit beating around the bush and state your problem with this country.

I don't have a problem with my country at all. I have a problem with some of the people living inside it.

 

[dawgoneyall]

They cut the flag planting scene - big problem for me. I won't pay money to see it.

It's not the fact the flag part was omitted....it's the fact it was omitted on purpose.

If you can't understand that you are helpless.

 

[DAWG61]

So, you haven't see it, yet you have such a strong opinion of what it's about. seems legit. it was an American achievement. it wasn't a global achievement. you don't see the Chinese saying, "look what the world built", with the Great Wall of China. You damn sure wouldn't see Russia sharing any achievement they might have (can't think of any. can anyone else?).

Is the Great Wall of China in China? Last I checked the moon isn't an American territory.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Well in this case you seem to have a problem with people who are patriotic about this country. Why ?

 

[thatsbaseball]

Most of us were patriotic before we ever heard of Trump. Are we still "snowflakes" just for being patriotic ?

 

[DAWG61]

Well in this case you seem to have a problem with people who are patriotic about this country. Why ?

Patriotism is fine but just like everything else it needs to be in moderation.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Most of us were patriotic before we ever heard of Trump. Are we still "snowflakes" just for being patriotic ?

Once upon a time (during the time this movie was set), Democrats were also patriotic nationalists. Now, they seem to be like DAWG61.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

So, you haven't see it, yet you have such a strong opinion of what it's about. seems legit. it was an American achievement. it wasn't a global achievement. you don't see the Chinese saying, "look what the world built", with the Great Wall of China. You damn sure wouldn't see Russia sharing any achievement they might have (can't think of any. can anyone else?).

Did you see it? What did you think?

 

[DAWG61]

Most of us were patriotic before we ever heard of Trump. Are we still "snowflakes" just for being patriotic ?

Being patriotic doesn't make one a snowflake. I am patriotic at times as well. I love USA. It's my home and all I've ever known. That doesn't mean I should forget the golden rule of "treat thy neighbor as you'd treat yourself". The transformation into snowflake happens when someone wants to destroy a movie or have it fail because they didn't include a scene of the USA flag being planted in the surface.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Is the Great Wall of China in China? Last I checked the moon isn't an American territory.

Note: any achievement you've ever had that wasn't achieved while on property you owned doesn't count.

 

[DAWG61]

Once upon a time (during the time this movie was set), Democrats were also patriotic nationalists. Now, they seem to be like DAWG61.

It's not 1969 anymore. Sorry but the movie was made for a global audience not just an American one.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Most of us were patriotic before we ever heard of Trump. Are we still "snowflakes" just for being patriotic ?

Huge difference between being a patriot and I LOVE AMERICA virtue signaling

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Did you see it? What did you think?

I did, and thought it was well made. I like some, didn't like that part of it, but that's ok, too.

 

[thatsbaseball]

That's what I asked you to begin with. Tell us what it is that makes you not patriotic at times. Surely it's not planting a flag on the moon.

 

[thatsbaseball]

You'll have to forgive my ignorance but I have no idea what "I love America virtue signaling" means.

 

[Shadow34]

Gonna have to agree with Dawgstuckatum here......... the moon landing was a big hoax. And all of your arguments are moot.

 

[tbaydog]

Sure you can. Watch the movie First Man to see that it's certainly possible to make a movie about man landing on the moon without showing him sticking an American flag in the surface. The movie is called First MAN not First AMERICAN.[/QUOT

In today's environment the name is PC insensitive. I guess it should been named "First Person."

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Someone go see it twice for me. I'll wait on REDbox.

 

[DAWG61]

That's what I asked you to begin with. Tell us what it is that makes you not patriotic at times. Surely it's not planting a flag on the moon.

I am patriotic already so nothing makes me not patriotic. You are totally changing the point of the movie when you make it about an American accomplishment instead of an accomplishment of man. The evolution of man is larger than America. How long has man been on the planet? How long has man been an American? If Aliens land on earth I doubt they will need to specify which country they are from on their planet to the other Aliens.

 

[snoopdog]

I thought the same thing when I heard they didn't show the flag planting....

They cut the flag planting scene - big problem for me. I won't pay money to see it.

But there were plenty of shots of the American Flag on astronauts suits, as well as a distant view of Armstrong, the LEM, and the flag on the surface of the moon that was phenomenal. They even included a clip where some foreigner is interviewed, and said "I knew the Americans would succeed, they always succeed" (I am paraphrasing). Don't let the hype of not planting the flag scene dissuade you. It really wasn't a large part of the moon scene as to what they did on the surface...it was a very personal reflection on Armstrong and on the beauty of the "magnificent desolation". In my opinion the movie was excellent.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Or did we at all?...*

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[thatsbaseball]

I'm good....let's watch football !

 

[Fogdog]

Wait. Who is the crybaby snowflake? The one that rewrote history to not offend anyone? Or the one that noticed?

Man, I gotta say, this is beyond hypocritical. And a little bit stupid, too.

 

[Fogdog]

I’m planning on seeing the movie. For those complaining because the planting of the flag is left out, it might do you some good to reflect on the words of the President of the Ivory Coast who along with the heads of 72 other countries was allowed to put an inscription on a small disc left on the moon by Apollo 11. His writing was cited in the book as one of Neil’s favorites:

“At the moment when man’s oldest dream is becoming a reality, I am very thankful for NASA’s kind attention in offering me the services of the first human messenger to set foot on the Moon and carry the words of the Ivory Coast.
I would hope that when this passenger from the sky leaves man’s imprint on lunar soil, he will feel how proud we are to belong to the generation which has accomplished this feat.
I hope also that he would tell the Moon how beautiful it is when it illuminates the nights of the Ivory Coast.
I especially wish that he would turn towards our planet Earth and cry out how insignificant the problems which torture men are, when viewed from up there.
May his word, descending from the sky, find in the Cosmos the force and light which will permit him to convince humanity of the beauty of progress in brotherhood and peace.”

LawDawg to the rescue!

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I think the point is, why make a point to take it out?

It doesn’t make any sense other than they were trying to not offend someone.

Why would making the movie historically accurate offend anyone?
It wouldn’t take away from the movie being abt Neil Armstrong.

Again, to be clear of my point, what was the point of taking the flag out of the movie?

By "taking it out," are you saying they filmed it or planned to, and then decided not to use it? Because I can't find any source that says that. Most likely it wasn't something that the filmmakers even really thought about, but if they'd known how offended people would be about its "exclusion," they probably would have folded to the PC crowds and filmed the scene.

The flag is in the movie. It didn't sprout up out of the ground, so anyone watching is going to know the astronauts put it up.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

So, you haven't see it, yet you have such a strong opinion of what it's about. seems legit. it was an American achievement. it wasn't a global achievement. you don't see the Chinese saying, "look what the world built", with the Great Wall of China. You damn sure wouldn't see Russia sharing any achievement they might have (can't think of any. can anyone else?).

Dont get me wrong - I hate the current Russian government as much as anyone, but a thread about the 1960s space race is a curious time to question whether Russia had any technological achievements

 

[DAWG61]

I'm good....let's watch football !

This is pretty much my entire attitude on life.

 

[PineGroveBully]

You know if this whole message board thing happens to not work out you might have a future as a film critic.

I haven't abandoned my opinions but you do have me rethinking them.

 

[Bcash2]

Wait the flag is in the movie, they just didn’t show it getting planted? Lol there are some huge entitled pussies in this thread.

 

[paindonthurt_]

You dumb ***.

Google Neil Armstrong
google moon landing
Google first man on moon

Clock images

It all shows an American flag. I have no problem with them not showing it. I have a problem with them not showing it on purpose.

I also have a problem with you thinking patriotism should be in moderation. We won both world wars. We are undefeated. We saved the world twice.

There is a Ryder cup and it’s europe vs USA.
There is a presidential cup and it’s the world vs USA.

It’s bc we are the best. Deal with it.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Dont get me wrong - I hate the current Russian government as much as anyone, but a thread about the 1960s space race is a curious time to question whether Russia had any technological achievements

There was a touch of tongue in cheek, there.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm shock that Neil Armstrong was played by a Caucasian male.

Don't be shock [sic], be piss!

 

[DAWG61]

Everything should be in moderation. I know you've heard this term before. What makes you think this doesn't apply to Patriotism? It's a stretch to say USA is the reason the allies won more than Hitler just went full bat **** crazy and sabotage what he started. He never attacks Russia he never loses. He doesn't get fooled by a million balloon army, sleep off a hangover and doesn't respond to D-Day till noon he doesn't lose. He doesn't fail to invade Britain he doesn't lose and if Japan doesn't bomb Pearl Harbor we never even enter the war 3 years after it started. Sorry not really up to date on WW1 events other than knowing USA didn't enter that one till 1917 either. If we were saving the world twice we sure took our sweet time deciding to do it both times. I will agree with you on your second to last sentence though. USA is the best country in the world.

 

[snoopdog]

There is a specific scene in the movie that shows...

Neil Armstrong, The LEM and the American Flag, from a distance, but all clearly visible. It was a beautiful shot. They didn't show the planting scene, but I don't think I have ever seen that in my 49 years anyway, and I love Apollo and NASA from that era. I was pissed when i heard about the no flag plant, then I saw the movie, and was embarrassed I was upset ahead of time. If you have seen the movie and are still pissed, good for you. If you have not seen the movie and are pissed, go see it and judge for yourself. I did and it changed my mind.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

I have no problem with them not showing it. I have a problem with them not showing it on purpose.

What do you mean when you say they didn't show it 'on purpose?'