First Four First Night Thread

RUChoppin

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I suppose, but all ******** aside I think over the years we would’ve all loved to have poor fouls or penalties reviewed and overturned if it benefited us…?!

And for all intents and purposes just like with the Murray elbow to Harper, at first blush those swinging elbows always look like Fouls. So no I didn’t automatically think the Indiana player horrifically fouled him.

Sure - but in the aggregate, a consistently called game benefits everyone.
 
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cmhawks99

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Sure - but in the aggregate, a consistently called game benefits everyone.

absolutely and I’ve read this board a little bit the last few days so when I say this I’m not yanking your chain. But have to tell you I don’t complain about officiating. I figure if you’re gonna win the game you’re gonna win the game. I pretty much never put much onus on officiating it is what it is and I know you have a couple guys on this board that would actually agree with that.

But I don’t have that big a deal with any of these foul calls and we all know because we have 100+ years of data available that officiating is always going to be pretty up-and-down.

In fact having six kids play high-level sports. I can tell you definitively over the last few years I believe officiating has gone truly in the tank and I’m not sure how you respond to this or not but I blame part of it on the nature of fans and their constant bitching…

Who the hell would wanna do that job I know I wouldn’t!?
 
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RUChoppin

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absolutely and I’ve read this board a little bit the last few days so when I say this I’m not yanking your chain. But have to tell you I don’t complain about officiating. I figure if you’re gonna win the game you’re gonna win the game. I pretty much never put much onus on officiating it is what it is and I know you have a couple guys on this board that would actually agree with that.

But I don’t have that big a deal with any of these foul calls and we all know because we have 100+ years of data available that officiating is always going to be pretty up-and-down.

In fact having six kids play high-level sports. I can tell you definitively over the last few years I believe officiating has gone truly in the tank and I’m not sure how you respond to this or not but I blame part of it on the nature of fans and their constant bitching…

Who the hell would wanna do that job I know I wouldn’t!?

Over 1000 games, calls even out. Just like shooting percentages average out over 100s of shots. But in a given game, if a shooter has a bad night it can easily swing the outcome... just like if an official has a bad night.

It's like saying "injuries are part of the game"... that's true, but if your star player goes down in the first half, that dramatically changes the likelihood of you winning. At a macro level over 1000s of games and 100s of teams, injuries also even out.... but to a given team on a given night, they can mean the difference between winning and losing. Bad officiating is also part of the game, and you have to live with it (or overcome it).

I'm more concerned about the style of officiating, though.... is the game being called loose or tight, is incidental contact being let go or are ticky tack things getting whistled? Defensive-minded man-to-man teams (like us) tend to do better in the former scenario, and struggle in the latter.... wholly putting aside the "good call/bad call" arguments.
 
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cmhawks99

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Over 1000 games, calls even out. Just like shooting percentages average out over 100s of shots. But in a given game, if a shooter has a bad night it can easily swing the outcome... just like if an official has a bad night.

It's like saying "injuries are part of the game"... that's true, but if your star player goes down in the first half, that dramatically changes the likelihood of you winning. At a macro level over 1000s of games and 100s of teams, injuries also even out.... but to a given team on a given night, they can mean the difference between winning and losing. Bad officiating is also part of the game, and you have to live with it (or overcome it).

I'm more concerned about the style of officiating, though.... is the game being called loose or tight, is incidental contact being let go or are ticky tack things getting whistled? Defensive-minded man-to-man teams (like us) tend to do better in the former scenario, and struggle in the latter.... wholly putting aside the "good call/bad call" arguments.

Im behind all of this as it is stated, but I think the key to that is it all “averages out“…

With that said the bottom part I can’t emphatically agree enough about and I know that’s redundant but still!

I enjoyed that game last night..but honestly it was sloppy in all regards. The teams played sloppy, the officiating was loosey-goosey and they let them beat the hell out of each other… And yes it’s also true sometimes it seems to be tight one way loose the other or from half to half and that is a real problem!?

but again I do believe it all averages out!