Fine for Cowbells in SEC Games
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I know that we were notified that we will be fined for the Auburn game. I have no knowledge of the subsequent league games.
Last I heard we had def gotten fined once. I think we got a second one too, but I haven't heard for sure in a few weeks.
You can thank the student section for that, and I'd say it's about 50/50 there are metal detectors used next year to keep them out of DWS.
You can thank the student section for that, and I'd say it's about 50/50 there are metal detectors used next year to keep them out of DWS.
I thought the SEC wasn't going to fine us until season's end? Or, is that just when the money is due? When the rule came out, it was advertised as if we wouldn't be fined until the season was over.
Also, if we were already informed we had been fined, wouldn't we be getting routine emails from the AD pleading us to keep the bells in check and have the jumbo-tron lectures beefed up? The communication re: cowbells has been pretty consistent all year.
Metal detectors? There's absolutely 0% chance that's happening. Logistically impossible.
Also, if we were already informed we had been fined, wouldn't we be getting routine emails from the AD pleading us to keep the bells in check and have the jumbo-tron lectures beefed up? The communication re: cowbells has been pretty consistent all year.
Metal detectors? There's absolutely 0% chance that's happening. Logistically impossible.
ckDOG said:
We won't get the official notice of the fine until after the season, but I do know the league office called us after the Auburn game to let us know that we would be fined for that game. This info doesn't come from "drunk guy in the junction" either.
Cowbells will be banned next year and I expect to see a person or two at each entrance with a handheld metal detector next year. I'm not sure why you think that isn't logistically possible.
Again, it comes back to the student section. What should have happened is Mullen should have been told to directly address the student section on the field before the Auburn or Georgia game. That was our only chance to keep them. But it didn't happen.
Again, it comes back to the student section. What should have happened is Mullen should have been told to directly address the student section on the field before the Auburn or Georgia game. That was our only chance to keep them. But it didn't happen.
You know this for certain?
Care to give up your sources? Or are you the strat who works in the athletic office?
Care to give up your sources? Or are you the strat who works in the athletic office?
If there are one or two wands at each gate, they will simply be symbolic. There's no way 2 old guys and a wand are going to be able to prevent cowbells from being smuggled inside - not without a multi-hour wait time to get inside.
Again, if we were informed that we were going to be fined at season's end for our Auburn game bahavior, why wouldn't the AD just come out and say, "We are getting fined, change your behavior, or no more cowbells"? Sure, I suppose we could all act like children and ring louder the next game out of defiance, but we certainly aren't going to become magically more compliant during the course of the season without being nagged constantly about it.
Again, if we were informed that we were going to be fined at season's end for our Auburn game bahavior, why wouldn't the AD just come out and say, "We are getting fined, change your behavior, or no more cowbells"? Sure, I suppose we could all act like children and ring louder the next game out of defiance, but we certainly aren't going to become magically more compliant during the course of the season without being nagged constantly about it.
None other than MarkKeenum told us at the Houstongame that we had already been notified by the SEC office of being fined twice. I don't know if the amount of the fine was made known.If it were, the school prez didn't share those details. I got the impression that the amount wouldn't be released until season's end.I suggested to him that MSU just take up donations from the fans on the way in the stadium tocover the fine. You knowit wouldn't be that hard to collect 15 to 25 k pergameusing this method.ckDOG said:
If we are getting fined and the AD is not stepping up to let folks know what is going on he should get his XXX kicked. Its not just the students it folks that either done look, listen or give a XXXX. I like to ring the old boy as much as anyone and it is a great tradition that we need to fight for. Were not the team from the North, that has had everything worth a damn stripped from them. Give me a break, the bears, no flag, no dixie, put the fire out in the grove. Their team is going down the drain because they don't have any XXXX's.
Somebody of this board with some stroke needs to get this out so we can try and get it under control for the last two SEC games we have. It's a tradition worth fighting for. Scott better get on board with this..... ASAP
Somebody of this board with some stroke needs to get this out so we can try and get it under control for the last two SEC games we have. It's a tradition worth fighting for. Scott better get on board with this..... ASAP
this isnt even on the radar at the sec office and they wont nothing more than tolet us ring our little cowbells and never have to hear anything else about it...that said, they know the bitching will come and they will take our money each year and not say another word. So, according to the source we will pay and thats all you will hear about it til the end of next season when we will do the same.
1) We have been fined for both the Auburn and the Georgia games.
2) Metal detectors have been discussed by the other members of the SEC already. And if you really think they care how long it would take, you're delusional.
2) Metal detectors have been discussed by the other members of the SEC already. And if you really think they care how long it would take, you're delusional.
Think about that one. Metal detectors at the gate would be catastrophic to our attendance. I'm not talking about whining b/c I can't take my cowbell in. I'm talking about the royal cluster 17 that would ensue at every game trying to herd 55k+ through metal detectors and having to stop for every belt, ear ring, watch, etc. that causes those bastards to go off. There is no way that could work with anything short of the secret service actually administering the security. If COBRA or whoever were to do it, we might get all ticket holders in by the time the 4th quarter begins.
If you are referring to wands and random checks - that could happen and wouldn't be too big of a deal.
If we continue to win others schools will start yelling. Can you imagine next year when the North comes for a visit, god forbid we dump one of the big boys. I hope the post was right on just take our money. I think Mullen ought to make a statement on the microphone before the Kentucky game. Hell, he can come out and get us fired up and then tell us to remember to ring responsibly... Can't hurt
Fortunately, I doubt there is any way the conference could single us out and require only us to put in metal detectors. These are cowbells we are talking about - not knives and pistols. Maybe they could require it at all venues across the SEC, but you know the backlash for that would be enormous.
If the SEC really wanted to get tough on this topic, they would just increase the fines to the point it significantly burdens us financially. Then, then the AD would go go through a massive ad campaign instructing fans not to bring them in and explaining the repercussions should we not comply (doubling ticket prices to make up the difference, for instance). Security guards would then be instructed to take up bells that make it in and/or escort violators out of the game. It's not hard to spot a cowbell in action.
Metal detectors aren't necessary to solve the problem if there is an incentive for us to actually take action. There isn't an incentive right now other than the threat of there potentially being one down the road. If we have, in fact, been notified of our upcoming fine by the SEC, our AD is either incredibly stupid by not making this info public (attempt at controlling behavior ) or is confident that this rule is nothing more than symbolic BS that will never be adjusted to the point it significantly penalizes us. I hope it's the latter.
If the SEC really wanted to get tough on this topic, they would just increase the fines to the point it significantly burdens us financially. Then, then the AD would go go through a massive ad campaign instructing fans not to bring them in and explaining the repercussions should we not comply (doubling ticket prices to make up the difference, for instance). Security guards would then be instructed to take up bells that make it in and/or escort violators out of the game. It's not hard to spot a cowbell in action.
Metal detectors aren't necessary to solve the problem if there is an incentive for us to actually take action. There isn't an incentive right now other than the threat of there potentially being one down the road. If we have, in fact, been notified of our upcoming fine by the SEC, our AD is either incredibly stupid by not making this info public (attempt at controlling behavior ) or is confident that this rule is nothing more than symbolic BS that will never be adjusted to the point it significantly penalizes us. I hope it's the latter.
at each of our games. They evaluate our cowbell use and decide if we are fined or not. The decision is announced at the end of the year. I figure the SEC official is LT and yes we will be fined as punishment for Sixpackers saying nasty things about him (and Ron Polk).
Just kidding (About Ron Polk).
I figure we have not played an SECgame that I've been to that we didn't get fined for "irresponsible" cowbell ringing. This sounds bad, but I leave mine at home thinking that if I bring it, I'll ring it. There have been many times in our SEC games this year that if I had it with me, I would have happily cost us the penalty fine.
Just kidding (About Ron Polk).
I figure we have not played an SECgame that I've been to that we didn't get fined for "irresponsible" cowbell ringing. This sounds bad, but I leave mine at home thinking that if I bring it, I'll ring it. There have been many times in our SEC games this year that if I had it with me, I would have happily cost us the penalty fine.
and to hell with us if we don't like it.
If they like, they can also increase the fines to whatever they like - something like a million a game, if they want to make their point.We are MSU and they are the SEC, or so I've been told. They can make life very hard on bell ringers if they like including forcing MSU to put in walk through detectors and make it take two days for everyone to get inside the stadium and then impose cripling fines if they think anyone is ringing after that.
I'm afraid at the end of this year, it will have becomea personal thing with some of the other SEC ADs. Why? Well, for one thing, we are winning now. Before this year, they just kicked us because they could kick us and it felt good for them to kick someone.
Anyone that ever believed that any of the other SEC schools were ever friendly toward MSU was wrong.
If they like, they can also increase the fines to whatever they like - something like a million a game, if they want to make their point.We are MSU and they are the SEC, or so I've been told. They can make life very hard on bell ringers if they like including forcing MSU to put in walk through detectors and make it take two days for everyone to get inside the stadium and then impose cripling fines if they think anyone is ringing after that.
I'm afraid at the end of this year, it will have becomea personal thing with some of the other SEC ADs. Why? Well, for one thing, we are winning now. Before this year, they just kicked us because they could kick us and it felt good for them to kick someone.
Anyone that ever believed that any of the other SEC schools were ever friendly toward MSU was wrong.
No. As in there won't be any cowbells in the stadium. I know Stricklin and Keenum have said at several functions over the last few weeks that we've been fined. As stated earlier, there have only been 2 SEC home games, and we've been fined twice.paindonthurt said:
Here's how I see the off season going..
1)We'll get a 3rd fine in either the UK or Ark game..
2) We'll be sent a bill for about $150,000 at the end of the year.
3) Cowbells will be taken off the "instutional noise list" and outlawed once and for all
4) The SEC will raise the fines for institutional noise to make the school regulate it.
5) MSU will put in metal detectors to prevent from having to pay higher fines
There was an article that listed out the fine amounts by Veazy in the summer. I'm just trying to remember, but I think the first fine was like 10K, the next was 50K, and the final was like 150K. Those numbers could be off and I dont feel liike looking for it.
I would give him a D+ on handling this issue from start to finish. He did okay with the "ring responsibly campaign," but from it never connected with students. Like I said earlier, he should have told Mullen to go over to the student section and address the issue after the Auburn game.Topgunms said:
I know the Athletic Department and MSU have sent out multiple emails to the students, but thats not going to work.
Maybe Scott has something planned and maybe he's planning to take up a collection for the fines, but that is assuming the SEC doesn't change the rule in the offseason. I was under the impression this was a trail run, and if we failed (we have failed) they were going to be banned once and for all next year.
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We need to pass the word to not get fined for Kentucky game. Students need to cowboy up for this one along with tailgate drinking fans. If we show improvement AD has something to work with if he is reading this thread. I would think he would be since it is the voice of the FANS in BULLDOG LAND. Coach needs to let fans know to pull thumb out on this one......
While conceding it is a daunting task, <span>Stricklin</span> asked that cowbell wielders consider their university when cheering at football games.</p>
"The pride of this institution and the pride of the cowbell should be
stronger than any selfish motivation to ring it whenever you want to,"
he said. "That's really what we're dealing with here. We're depending on
Mississippi State people to do the right thing. It's hard to change the
actions of 50,000 people overnight. I don't want to pay fines. Any
money we generate, I want to invest it back in our program to help us
win. The other thing is, I love the cowbell and I want to see us be able
to bring it in the stadium and see my kids bring it in the stadium."</p>
"The pride of this institution and the pride of the cowbell should be
stronger than any selfish motivation to ring it whenever you want to,"
he said. "That's really what we're dealing with here. We're depending on
Mississippi State people to do the right thing. It's hard to change the
actions of 50,000 people overnight. I don't want to pay fines. Any
money we generate, I want to invest it back in our program to help us
win. The other thing is, I love the cowbell and I want to see us be able
to bring it in the stadium and see my kids bring it in the stadium."</p>
....because Stricklin/Keenum knew we wouldn't get fined over non-conference games, and by waiting until the week of the Kentucky game, they could beat the drum really loudly during the week before the game and try to drive home the point that this is for real.
As far as the morons that completely scoff the rule, I think it'd be a great idea for Keenum/Stricklin to prowl the aisles during the game (or at least the first half) and personally tell people to quit. I know they have lots of glad-handing to do during games, but the ******* who will yell at an old lady telling him to quit will probably think twice about doing the same to the AD or the Pres. They should advertise to use that five-digit trouble reporting number to rat out the ********.
Of course, I think probably 80% of the problem is the students, 10% the ********, and the other 10% people that just forget in the moment. I've done my best to comply, I know that.
I also think it picks up louder on TV/radio than it really is. Several times I've been listening to Jack & Jim, and could hear a lot of bells, but would look around and barely see any being rung. Doesn't help that the TV mikes the student section either.
As far as the morons that completely scoff the rule, I think it'd be a great idea for Keenum/Stricklin to prowl the aisles during the game (or at least the first half) and personally tell people to quit. I know they have lots of glad-handing to do during games, but the ******* who will yell at an old lady telling him to quit will probably think twice about doing the same to the AD or the Pres. They should advertise to use that five-digit trouble reporting number to rat out the ********.
Of course, I think probably 80% of the problem is the students, 10% the ********, and the other 10% people that just forget in the moment. I've done my best to comply, I know that.
I also think it picks up louder on TV/radio than it really is. Several times I've been listening to Jack & Jim, and could hear a lot of bells, but would look around and barely see any being rung. Doesn't help that the TV mikes the student section either.
If MSU Student Body / Ad doesn't get on top of this with a couple more wins as they posted earlier they will be waving wands around your personal parts next year looking for something other than your tire wrench.
I really should sit in the student section, but I don't(for multiple reasons), but when I'm in section E and I see a 55, bald guy just relentlessly ringing his bell.<div>
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</div><div>I expect next year to be a huge cluster %#%%.</div><div>
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</div><div>WTVA just reported that we have been notified from the SEC, all this info coming from Stricklin and Reflector.</div>
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</div><div>I expect next year to be a huge cluster %#%%.</div><div>
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</div><div>WTVA just reported that we have been notified from the SEC, all this info coming from Stricklin and Reflector.</div>
VH has it. They've known about this for 2 or 3 weeks and the other since right after the Auburn game. They've waited to do a press release so it would be fresh on ppl for the Auburn game.
I'll say it again. The best way to get through to the student section is going to be to get Mullen to go over there and give about a 2 minute speech right before kick off.
I think VH's % are correct, but if we can get the student section cut down everything changes. If we can get through the last 2 game w/o a fine, everything would be different. I just dont think thats going to happen, short of Mullen addressing the situation ON THE FIELD - not through an email or video board message..
I'll say it again. The best way to get through to the student section is going to be to get Mullen to go over there and give about a 2 minute speech right before kick off.
I think VH's % are correct, but if we can get the student section cut down everything changes. If we can get through the last 2 game w/o a fine, everything would be different. I just dont think thats going to happen, short of Mullen addressing the situation ON THE FIELD - not through an email or video board message..
Can't agree more Mullen has got to come out and fans have to tell other fans to watch the big board on when to ring. Hell I'm not sure when were suppose to ring other than not when the other team has the ball. Last week the board had ring and they had the damn ball.
Maybe there is some footage from Auburn and UGA games of fans ringing at inappropriate times? Since we've already been fined for those two games, how about we show a video of the ******** that are going to ruin it for the rest of us before the game instead of the traditional highlight tape?
Hell, I might even show up on the tape. I've probably screwed up on a big 3rd down play once or twice this season (as I'm sure most have). But, I'd support anything that might scare people into compliance at this point...
Hell, I might even show up on the tape. I've probably screwed up on a big 3rd down play once or twice this season (as I'm sure most have). But, I'd support anything that might scare people into compliance at this point...
Rule was made. For anyone who thought otherwise is just plain ignorant. In theory, one single bell being rung at the wrong time could be interpreted by the SEC official (probably an Alabama native) as a violation. There is no way in hell we could ever comply to this. I barely even pick my bell up and personally am sick of telling people to stop. Is there something wrong with yelling or is that forbidden at MSU home games. We better practice yelling now because at the rate these asshats ring that's all we will be doing after this year. Some of the idiots in my section ring the 17ers when we are on offense right before a critical play. If we have that many 17ups then maybe we don't need them at all.
Great idea. We better do something... Other than a pretty face telling a bunch of drunks to ring responsibly.... Or the wand around the bourbon bottle....
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