I always thought this guy had some brains.
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article216248245.html
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article216248245.html
Finally someone has respect for another man's opinion.
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There are probably fewer than 40 players protesting the anthem. That’s in a league with more than 1,500 players. It really doesn’t deserve the media attention it is getting.
Because Kapernick had been benched due to poor job performance
And started pouting on the sidelines. That didn’t get enough attention so he started kneeling.
It really doesn’t but it drives conversation and clicks, so the media is going to shove it down everyone’s throat.
This is not directed at you Flotown, just a general comment. I can’t for the life of me understand why everyone is in such an uproar about the few people kneeling. I think the protest itself is dumb and won’t help remotely with anything. But I dont want anyone telling them they have to stand, the freedom to make that choice is what being an American is about. I hope we never get to a point of forcing people to honor anything or anybody.
Being an American has never been about being able to do what you want when you wanted to do it in the workplace with no consequences from your employer.
Does your workplace start each day with the national anthem and have millions of people watching it? I promise you one thing, if your company did start each day with the national anthem, they could not force you to stand for it.
The NFL is not your average American workplace and it’s never going to be treated as such.
Not sure if he still works there, but I can assure you, if the National Anthem is played at Camp Shelby, you would be forced to stand.**
That said I am sideliner on the anthem stuff, but I will point out that it feels like a whole lot people on both sides get worked up about it... Yet only 6-7% of the entire population cared enough about what it represents to do something. Oddly, those 6-7% seem to get the least worked up about it...
Kneel or stand I don’t care either way. I just wish we didn’t have to hear about it another season. The dummy in chief throws gas on the situation whenever he needs a distraction from some other dumb thing he’s done and the media and rubes that eat that **** up get stirred up again
Now see. Because of that flag and what it stands for, you have the right to make a derogatory remark about Our President.
But due to those same rights, I could call you a POS and wonder why you weren’t an abortion stat. But that would be crass and rude.
Man, I love this Country! The freedoms we have are fantastic!
But, I would rather just say: God Bless you!
Happy Sunday Bogeys...I mean Pars.
They could, certainly. But if it got taken to court, can you say for certain who would win? The private employers right to at will employment or the employers first amendment right? I bet several years ago no one thought forcing someone to say the pledge would be ruled unconstitutional.
My point is, there is a reason why a NFL player has not been “fired” for doing this yet. There is enough gray area that I don’t think anyone wants to go there.
He opted out of his contract due to an option he had. Huge difference in being cut because you kneeled for the anthem and opting out of your contract.
That implication isn’t central to the article. It’s simply about having the courage of ones convictions and being strong enough to stand by them when it’s unpopular with people you identify with on other issues.
There's a difference between "no consequences from your employer"
And having the president call you sons of bitches, and call for you to be fired.
And having the president call you sons of bitches, and call for you to be fired.
Wow. Wishing I was dead and a God bless you all in one post. How very religious of you
Keep thinking it’s about the flag and not Cadet Bone Spurs thinking the blacks should get in line
Our president not knowing when to shut his mouth has nothing to do with the owners being able to tell them they can’t have a political protest at work. If most people on this board did what these players are doing they would be fired, with or without the president running his mouth. The owners care about money, and these protests cost them money. If they didn’t, they would not care.
Players never stood on the sidelines for the anthem till 2009. That's when the Department of Defense started paying the NFL to show more patriotic displays at games. It's all a paid marketing strategy to get more recruitment for our military and it's worked.
I know, it’s almost like if the most visible man in the country would just stop tweeting about it, and the most powerful owner in the league would stop trying to suck up to him, the whole issue would just evaporate.
That dummy in chief is smarter than you will ever be....What does that make you.
Just thank God that what that flag represents keeps you from being killed for saying dumbass, derogatory things about the President.
Doubt you understand what my post is about.......
You think is James or Westbrook or curry decided to sit down for the anthem the NBA would force their firing out of the league?
No, and neither would Kap if his talent exceeded his baggage. You can’t suck and be a problem.
Players never stood on the sidelines for the anthem till 2009. That's when the Department of Defense started paying the NFL to show more patriotic displays at games. It's all a paid marketing strategy to get more recruitment for our military and it's worked.
FaceBook less, investigate more.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nfl-sideline-anthem/
If your private employer wanted to require all of his employees to stand for the national anthem on a regular basis, and televised this activity nationwide, you probably could legally be fired for refusing to participate. The question is, SHOULD you be fired, not CAN you be fired. Should you fire your top salesman because he wants to make a minor political statement?
I posted in another thread, that while it is un-American to disrespect the National Anthem, it is also un-American to require respect for the National Anthem. I supposed it is also un-American to require people to allow other people to disrespect the National Anthem. We can go inception on this ***** all day!!
I hit golf balls at a public range that is adjacent to an Air Force base. Every day at 4 p.m., the base plays the National Anthem over some extremely loud loudspeakers. The older guys on the range usually stand at attention and hold their hats over their hearts. I just stand there at at attention, in part because the music is so loud it is distracting. A lot of the younger guys just keep hitting balls. I've never seen anyone say anything to anyone else about it.
I posted in another thread, that while it is un-American to disrespect the National Anthem, it is also un-American to require respect for the National Anthem. I supposed it is also un-American to require people to allow other people to disrespect the National Anthem. We can go inception on this ***** all day!!
I hit golf balls at a public range that is adjacent to an Air Force base. Every day at 4 p.m., the base plays the National Anthem over some extremely loud loudspeakers. The older guys on the range usually stand at attention and hold their hats over their hearts. I just stand there at at attention, in part because the music is so loud it is distracting. A lot of the younger guys just keep hitting balls. I've never seen anyone say anything to anyone else about it.
Number of NFL players actually doing something about the problems they were kneeling about- 0
Seriously, people need to realize it’s not really about mandating someone stand or not for the anthem. It has to do with first, these players work for private businesses and like has been said, if any of us were to try and make some sort of political statement or show disrespect to our country or a political party or whatever, we could be fired because it can and will effect the bottom line. It doesn’t matter if it’s 6-8% of the players kneeling or 95%, it has effected the bottom line and the owners can do whatever they want in this right to work environment.
Now, I agree with Trump that it is totally disrespectful to our nation or flag and our veterans. The problem is, that has nothing to do with those people kneeling and their concerns, and that doesn’t mean I don’t agree with your concerns and your right to say and do something about it. It has become a protest more about the President and our country, and not necessarily about racial injustices, IMO. Don’t blur those lines, have meaningful talks within the community, and put your money where your mouth is. Like I said 99% of us believe changes can be made, just be more productive about it and let’s not make it political or racial, any more than it may already be, and we can probably make progress.
Now, I agree with Trump that it is totally disrespectful to our nation or flag and our veterans. The problem is, that has nothing to do with those people kneeling and their concerns, and that doesn’t mean I don’t agree with your concerns and your right to say and do something about it. It has become a protest more about the President and our country, and not necessarily about racial injustices, IMO. Don’t blur those lines, have meaningful talks within the community, and put your money where your mouth is. Like I said 99% of us believe changes can be made, just be more productive about it and let’s not make it political or racial, any more than it may already be, and we can probably make progress.
Anyone old enough to remember the Whitney Houston national anthem performance at the Super Bowl? No complaints about the national anthem during the Gulf War...during crisis Americans all come together but sadly in "peace time" we tear each other apart.
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Again I ask why they are kneeling?
Is there a legitimate reason?
If there is, let’s pin point it and discuss it.
The problem is there isn’t a solid reason.
Is there a legitimate reason?
If there is, let’s pin point it and discuss it.
The problem is there isn’t a solid reason.
The OP needs to look up the definition of "finally." Dak has gotten more positive press over the last month than any player in the entire NFL, and I'm really happy to see it.
I wish all of the posters here could share in that happiness instead of twisting it around into a selfish "oh me so persecuted!!1" thing.
MMMMMkay...
Let me know which NFL player is working with the Police and neighborhood groups to improve the situation.
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