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[TheJimReaper]

Only the sinless can witness for Jesus? I think you're missing the basic premise of Christianity.

No one here is saying that but cheating on your wife is very serious. It was most definitely not his first time doing it and as Corby said he probably would have kept on had he not been caught.

I truly wish the best for him and that he learns and moves on from this and that him and his wife can salvage their marriage but this whole event shows that he is not where he needs to be spiritually to be such a large and public representative for Christ.

 

[Cali_Nittany1]

No one here is saying that but cheating on your wife is very serious. It was most definitely not his first time doing it and as Corby said he probably would have kept on had he not been caught.

I truly wish the best for him and that he learns and moves on from this and that him and his wife can salvage their marriage but this whole event shows that he is not where he needs to be spiritually to be such a large and public representative for Christ.

Fair points.

 

[OHkie]

Dude was coaching my daughters the night before, it was super close to home and still doesn’t sit right with me. Luckily it doesn’t have to. If his wife has moved on from it then it’s between him and his maker. Kyle got my number when my son was in the ICU and sent a video of encouragement to him. The next day he checked back in, I believe that he is genuine and messed up, I’m just glad my screw ups haven’t been public and I could independently learn my lessons.

 

[oberebo]

I was not happy with the outcome at 61kg but I thought Blaze was the better wrestler on 6/19. I know we wouldn't have been talking about "style" if Jax had won. Jax wins many of his matches with a flurry of moves that score big points. Blaze was better at the hand fighting which prevented this with the exception of the 2nd match when Blaze made a mistake and Jax scored the points in a flurry. Kudos to Blaze for the win but there will be 3 more seasons for this rivalry to play out.
Regarding Snyder, I will not judge him, other than to acknowledge he made a mistake as we all do and I wish only the best for he and his family in the future.

 

[rcsone1]

...folk style more varied and interesting...it seems free style is too involved with just pushing or routine treats of pushing...but if a Cowboy wins, either style is most worthwhile of the watch...to have the college style participants we want to compete for Oklahoma State requires avenues to World and Olympic venues...finally I like best is what is wrestled in Gallager-Iba.....................

 

[PSUer89]

No one here is saying that but cheating on your wife is very serious. It was most definitely not his first time doing it and as Corby said he probably would have kept on had he not been caught.

I truly wish the best for him and that he learns and moves on from this and that him and his wife can salvage their marriage but this whole event shows that he is not where he needs to be spiritually to be such a large and public representative for Christ.

Is more public about the situation than I have read? Are you assuming it was “most definitely” not his first time or he would have kept doing it if not caught? Since I don’t know him or what he was going through that night, I wouldn’t assume anything about past or future behavior. But like I said, if more was made public I could be wrong.

 

[osu2082]

Actually last year OkSt had 3 on the world team with a champ and a 5th at worlds . The defending champ and 5th place finisher didn’t make the team this year. Not sure that is closing the gap even if the matches were razor thin

They had several wrestlers very much in the mix for the national team and world team spots. The RTC as a whole has very much closed the gap even if the gap is still somewhat large.

So much goes into the final day but what is being accomplished and built in Stillwater, especially in such a short amount of time is noticeable to everyone involved in FS wrestling.

Regardless it’s great for the sport. Would love to see a few other RTCs continue to build and grow.

 

[chasepollard]

Is more public about the situation than I have read? Are you assuming it was “most definitely” not his first time or he would have kept doing it if not caught? Since I don’t know him or what he was going through that night, I wouldn’t assume anything about past or future behavior. But like I said, if more was made public I could be wrong.

That’s the rub for the detractors. Very vocal about God, the polar opposite when he goes against God. A man in his position, with his very vocal stance requires some sort of damage with damage control. Without it, you see what you’re seeing…his public stance is bull without some sort of closure on the issue. Is he a tool for God, or the devil?

IMO, and within my beliefs, if you want to keep quiet, be completely quiet. If you want to be vocal, do that and put it behind you. It’s one or the other!

Previous or continued action in that space is speculative at best. If you speculate, are you judging ignorantly? Yes.

 

[Corby2]

Is more public about the situation than I have read? Are you assuming it was “most definitely” not his first time or he would have kept doing it if not caught? Since I don’t know him or what he was going through that night, I wouldn’t assume anything about past or future behavior. But like I said, if more was made public I could be wrong.

He used the term QV in his message to the woman. We later learned thats John term for a quick visit which means a blowjob. Most people weren't aware of the term QV. Him using that lingo tells you it wasnt his first rodeo

 

[Nate_98]

Freestyle doesn’t care about offense the way folkstyle does. Positioning is way more the point. It’s baked into the rules. So folks can get away with playing defense most of the time.

I do get a sense that there’s some gamesmanship from the refs though. Not just orange tinted glasses, I see it in other matches too. I do hope this is just me not understanding the subtleties of the rules…

Jax makes a living out of exposing other wrestlers bad shots and positioning. His slide by is the best in the world IMO, but Blaze didn’t give him a shot. These guys will be fun to watch the next few years.

 

[vhsalum]

And Z paid the price for not taking wrestling serious for 10 months.

ugh.

 

[100TonsofOrangeFury]

And Z paid the price for not taking wrestling serious for 10 months.

ugh.

You have intelligence that he did not?

 

[vhsalum]

You have intelligence that he did not?

umm... what are you talking about?

 

[Howie_Fartz]

JB mentioned a couple of things during the Jax and Blaze match that I agreed with:

1st, Blaze is exceptional at "catching hands" when an opponent gets close. Problem was he was not just catching Jax's hands he was getting him caught up with interlocking fingers right away literally over and over again to stifle Jax's offense. Felt like Blaze shouldve been called on it repeatedly.

2nd, He said Jax wasnt getting enough penetration on his shots. He was more or less dropping straight down on a lot of attempts and reaching for a leg. Blaze's defense is to damn good for that and I saw some of what JB was talking about.

Jax and Z will bounce back. DT's only been in town 2 years and it will only get better! Cowboy !

 

[100TonsofOrangeFury]

umm... what are you talking about?

I'm talking about you bringing the receipts when you trash a guy's preparation.

 

[Corby2]

I'm talking about you bringing the receipts when you trash a guy's preparation.

He's not making it up . Also look who liked it

 

[vhsalum]

I'm talking about you bringing the receipts when you trash a guy's preparation.

Then say that intelligently.

It ain't exactly a state secret that Z hasn't been training/trying hard up and until after NCAAs. And it cost him. He was gassed and didn't take Dake seriously. "There's no shame in retiring." UUUGGGGHHHHH

I'm trashing him because he's literally one of my favorite guys of all time. Talk to his dad all the time. Z just hasn't learned that lesson or he just can't handle training hard and focused for 10-12 months. He did the same thing in college.

 

[Corby2]

JB mentioned a couple of things during the Jax and Blaze match that I agreed with:

1st, Blaze is exceptional at "catching hands" when an opponent gets close. Problem was he was not just catching Jax's hands he was getting him caught up with interlocking fingers right away literally over and over again to stifle Jax's offense. Felt like Blaze shouldve been called on it repeatedly.

2nd, He said Jax wasnt getting enough penetration on his shots. He was more or less dropping straight down on a lot of attempts and reaching for a leg. Blaze's defense is to damn good for that and I saw some of what JB was talking about.

Jax and Z will bounce back. DT's only been in town 2 years and it will only get better! Cowboy !

Many coaches think people at this level D1 and SR level should be doing everything right outside the room as well as in.
Staffs can't be babysitting 24/7 you will either do it right or it will show up in the results. In March it showed with some and it just showed again last weekend. You can't make people want it

 

[Howie_Fartz]

Many coaches think people at this level D1 and SR level should be doing everything right outside the room as well as in.
Staffs can't be babysitting 24/7 you will either do it right or it will show up in the results. In March it showed with some and it just showed again last weekend. You can't make people want it

I dont disagree with that but it doesnt mesh with my post about JBs comments?

 

[Corby2]

I dont disagree with that but it doesnt mesh with my post about JBs comments?

The finger fight situations always annoy me . Dake and Zahid match was the one where it was very noticeable. Years ago it was control the wrist of your opponents shooting hand. Now it's roman knuckles which I hate.

Jax can just dive in against most guy and make wrestling action happen and he wins most of those situations. Blaze head and hands defense is world class and it showed.

 

[PoOsKuEs]

You have intelligence that he did not?

I do.

 

[chasepollard]

The finger fight situations always annoy me . Dake and Zahid match was the one where it was very noticeable. Years ago it was control the wrist of your opponents shooting hand. Now it's roman knuckles which I hate.

Jax can just dive in against most guy and make wrestling action happen and he wins most of those situations. Blaze head and hands defense is world class and it showed.

I hate this but I agree. Blaze may be the best in the world bar none? If he’s not, I want to see them go.

Either way, he’s boring as hell and unless you wrestled, you don’t see it for what it is.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Criteria is how they decide who is winning if score is tied. It is so someone is always winning even if the score is tied so that there cannot be a tie and there is no overtime. Lots of rules but some of most common is highest value single move has criteria. For example, if someone has two 2 point takedowns and their opponent has a 4 point, the person with the 4 point wins. If points scored the same way, the person that scored last has criteria (so if each have two 1 pointers, for example). This is my best understanding but I wrestled freestyle once and haven’t been following too long so take with a grain of salt.

I'm way late on this, but your understanding is perfect on the scoring. However, the criteria that comes first is the number of cautions. This does not often come into play so it is often forgotten. Even in the moment.

The most notable example I can think of was a match between Beau Bartlett and Nick Lee in the 2023 US Open semis. Lee scored last on a step out plus caution and one. But the caution designation was accidently/incorrectly put next to Lee's name causing it to appear that Bartlett had that criteria, trumping the last point scored criteria.

The error was discovered later and the result was corrected. Even though Bartlett got his hand raised on the mat, Lee won and moved on to the final.

 

[Corby2]

I'm way late on this, but your understanding is perfect on the scoring. However, the criteria that comes first is the number of cautions. This does not often come into play so it is often forgotten. Even in the moment.

The most notable example I can think of was a match between Beau Bartlett and Nick Lee in the 2023 US Open semis. Lee scored last on a step out plus caution and one. But the caution designation was accidently/incorrectly put next to Lee's name causing it to appear that Bartlett had that criteria, trumping the last point scored criteria.

The error was discovered later and the result was corrected. Even though Bartlett got his hand raised on the mat, Lee won and moved on to the final.

Criteria that comes 1st is who scored the move with the highest value. If I have a 4 and you've two 2s I win. 2nd criteria is cautions

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Criteria that comes 1st is who scored the move with the highest value. If I have a 4 and you've two 2s I win. 2nd criteria is cautions

good point

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

good point

But will you do an analysis of freestyle scores (total points scored per match) to see whether the winner scoring the first point or the last point corresponds to a greater total number of points per match?

(Assuming total number of points equates to action.)

Maybe see how the total match points of the latter compare when the winner is by criteria of last point scored.

(Maybe subtract of the top all passivity points and cautions, since they equate to inaction for all total match points.)

I understand the original thesis was criteria being first point scored would equate to more action.

 

[Corby2]

If a match is 0-0 and is coming up on 1 min mark someone must go on the clock in this situation they typically put the guy on the clock they feel is actually doing more and controlling the center. They do that so when the other guy is put on the clock in the 2nd usually within :30 the right guy is winning 1-1.

 

[ionel]

the right guy

If only that were a criteria.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

But will you do an analysis of freestyle scores (total points scored per match) to see whether the winner scoring the first point or the last point corresponds to a greater total number of points per match?

(Assuming total number of points equates to action.)

Maybe see how the total match points of the latter compare when the winner is by criteria of last point scored.

(Maybe subtract of the top all passivity points and cautions, since they equate to inaction for all total match points.)

I understand the original thesis was criteria being first point scored would equate to more action.

Sadly I have not been able to find any match results. I think it is something wrestling.guru is working on.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

If a match is 0-0 and is coming up on 1 min mark someone must go on the clock in this situation they typically put the guy on the clock they feel is actually doing more and controlling the center. They do that so when the other guy is put on the clock in the 2nd usually within :30 the right guy is winning 1-1.

I feel like things are refed differently in the US than at the Intl tournaments. In the US it seems like the refs are looking at action through folkstyle glasses sometimes. This makes it hard for me to guess who will go on the clock. International refs are fairly consistent about putting the wrestler who is not controlling the center on the clock. This can feel like anti-US bias to some because US wrestlers like to circle around looking for angles, especially the less experienced ones. But the more experienced guys (Snyder, Dake, Taylor, etc) understand the need to control the center.

 

[vhsalum]

I feel like things are refed differently in the US than at the Intl tournaments. In the US it seems like the refs are looking at action through folkstyle glasses sometimes. This makes it hard for me to guess who will go on the clock. International refs are fairly consistent about putting the wrestler who is not controlling the center on the clock. This can feel like anti-US bias to some because US wrestlers like to circle around looking for angles, especially the less experienced ones. But the more experienced guys (Snyder, Dake, Taylor, etc) understand the need to control the center.

Correct. and it's infuriatingly frustrating. They even let guys run in the final seconds. International, you do that and you're getting hit immediately.

AS YOU SHOULD.

 

[Corby2]

I feel like things are refed differently in the US than at the Intl tournaments. In the US it seems like the refs are looking at action through folkstyle glasses sometimes. This makes it hard for me to guess who will go on the clock. International refs are fairly consistent about putting the wrestler who is not controlling the center on the clock. This can feel like anti-US bias to some because US wrestlers like to circle around looking for angles, especially the less experienced ones. But the more experienced guys (Snyder, Dake, Taylor, etc) understand the need to control the center.

Agree we have 3-4 good refs thats it. And it's why fans have a difficult time understanding things because they're called wrong all the time here.

In Jax and Blaze match I don't remember who was on the attack I believe it was Jax and they went to the edge and Jax actually stepped out 1st and they awarded Jax a point. I believe match 3. And in match one the same situation happened and they called the guy who stepped out first. Up until a few weeks ago the offensive wrestler would be awarded the point regardless who stepped out first. Uww put out a memo and they changed it to whoever steps out first gives up the point regardless whos the offensive wrestler.Obviously not all the officials were aware of the change

 

[skylinepoke]

So freestyle has morphed into a "king of the hill" philosophy?