Final Report on UNC Tomorrow

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Liftee

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From the sound of the announcement of the delay, UNC may have received the NCAA decision and it's just not being made public. I don't think this necessarily means either that the decision is good or bad for UNC, could be either.
 

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From the sound of the announcement of the delay, UNC may have received the NCAA decision and it's just not being made public. I don't think this necessarily means either that the decision is good or bad for UNC, could be either.

I believe that UNC does NOT get the report in advance of it being made public.
 
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They are a national disgrace dbav

OFC

 
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Liftee

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Well not to belabor this, but yesterday it was announced that the decision was being made public today. Which means, 24 hrs. before it was going to be made public was yesterday. Plus the announcement of the delay said the decision wouldn't be made "public" today. OK enough of this, let's get back to hoping that the decision whenever it comes out is strong and punishing.
 

pisgah101

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Are you sure? I thought they got notice that it was COMING but not the actual report?

All I've seen is they receive it 24 hr before release. It was moved AFTER that period so my guess is they have it and delayed which is silly
 

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My thoughts are they have it, but dont want to make it public because of some fundraising thing they have going on today. If that's the case, could it be bad news for em?
 

OldasdirtDevil

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And here is the kind of **** that makes me want them to get burnt to the ground. This is an article in Daily TAR Heel (linked below) and below the title is an excerpt:
This is the title of the article...misleading (as in it's out of UNC's control)? I think so.

Saga of UNC academic scandal hits yet another snag


After six years of investigation and nearly 15 hours spent deliberating in Nashville, Tenn., in August, the NCAA was finally expected to pass its judgment on UNC's academic scandal on Friday at noon.

But in a characteristic twist for this case, another delay is holding up the process.

In a tweet on Thursday morning, News & Observer reporter Andrew Carter broke the news, saying, “From a source: the NCAA Committee on Infractions tomorrow at noon will release its final report, including penalties, in the UNC case.” He followed that up with details on the case, saying the Committee on Infractions report would be posted at noon on Friday, followed by a media teleconference at 1 p.m.

Joel Curran, the vice chancellor of University communications, responded to these reports with a statement
“Due to scheduling circumstances, there will be no release tomorrow regarding the NCAA Committee on Infractions decision," he said. "We have not yet received the Committee’s public infractions report. We anticipate we will be informed 24 hours prior to the actual release at a later date.”

Yeah, another snag...by the UNC PROGRAM. The headline and parts of the article are trying to suggest that it's the NCAA's fault, and not another damn stalling tactic by UNC and their legal team. Doughnuts to dollars they want a few more days for the high powered legal minds to come up with another reason to delay again...especially if there
are any real penalties involved. SMH.


http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/10/judgement-day-set-for-friday-in-uncs-academic-scandal
OFC
 
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skysdad

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Wake me when it's over. Nothing is going too happen.


Exactly the way I feel. Wish they would go ahead and say unc's is in the clear and move on. Still doesn't hide the fact they are not guilty. There are tons of criminals that got away with crimes but they still did the deed. The dirt is still under that rug. Always will be. OFC
 

hart2chesson

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Exactly the way I feel. Wish they would go ahead and say unc's is in the clear and move on. Still doesn't hide the fact they are not guilty. There are tons of criminals that got away with crimes but they still did the deed. The dirt is still under that rug. Always will be. OFC

Well if they get away w/it I see them as the OJ Simpson team of college hoops! OFC
 
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DevilDJ

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I can see unx skating but at what cost to the NCAA? They need a “win” PR-wise and this is an easy one. Sure , Bilas will whine...maybe Vitale too. But the vast majority of media and fans will applaud sanctions. “Finally! The NCAA puts favoritism aside and justifiably hammers a blue blood etc.” Again , I can easily see unx gettin’ away with this but , given the current climate re FBI investigations and the debates over paying players , the NCAA essentially signs their own death warrant with a wristslap. If they’re not gonna punish this then not only does unx win so does every school who pulls this crap. Think about it. unx’s entire argument is based around jurisdictional issues. No action vs the holes here and it’s open season. The organization that promotes the “student-athlete” model in their commercials has to forever sit back and watch schools do exactly what unx has done and not do a damn thing about it. unx will have proven that the NCAA has no business in such matters and if Emmert an’ Co aren’t gonna stand for academic integrity what’s their purpose?
 
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skysdad

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Well if they get away w/it I see them as the OJ Simpson team of college hoops! OFC


You must have read my mind but I just didn't want to come out and say it but some how karma always gets in the last shot. O.J.'s reputation and character have been blown forever. OFC
 
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skysdad

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The title of this post is Final Report on unc Tomorrow. Well today is today and tomorrow is now Sat. then Sunday will be tomorrow etc. etc. This is probably going to go on forever. OFC
 
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TheDude1

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Yeah, gotta agree. Even just from a PR perspective, the NCAA cannot let this go. Add in the actual issues... I don't know, I expect UNC to take a pretty big hit. I'd be mildly surprised if they do not lose wins.
 
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Yeah, gotta agree. Even just from a PR perspective, the NCAA cannot let this go. Add in the actual issues... I don't know, I expect UNC to take a pretty big hit. I'd be mildly surprised if they do not lose wins.

Who cares about losing wins? They better lose scholarships and have to take down a banner or two, anything less is a disservice.
 
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timo0402

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My hope is that they take scholarships and at least a two year postseason ban
I think you'll see two to three scholarships for two or three years. That'll be it, the problem with taking away wins is really where do you end? Like if you take away wins it has to be for the whole time. I don't see them doing it.
 

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If they lose scholarships when does it take place?Think they have at least three commitments for next year.Would these be affected?
 

DukeDenver

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I think you'll see two to three scholarships for two or three years. That'll be it, the problem with taking away wins is really where do you end? Like if you take away wins it has to be for the whole time. I don't see them doing it.
I've never understood taking away wins. Titles? Sure. But wins? The games happened. Do you expunge Duke's wins over UNC in that timespan? It seems dumb. Put some asterisks on there and let those wins live on as tainted memories.
 

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Wake me when it's over. Nothing is going too happen.
Doing nothing on the part of the NCAA would be the worst possible outcome.
1. It will give _a lot_ of schools the permission to follow in UNC's footsteps
2. It would forever uncut the NCAA's authority.
 
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timo0402

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I've never understood taking away wins. Titles? Sure. But wins? The games happened. Do you expunge Duke's wins over UNC in that timespan? It seems dumb. Put some asterisks on there and let those wins live on as tainted memories.
I always find it funny too. So one team loses wins but the other teams they played keep the losses?
 

skysdad

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The penalties will be light if at all nothing and this is why I believe it. Years ago when the unc folks set the AFAM program they knew what they were doing and IMO it was those involved in athletics. They knew it just couldn't be offered athletes so it was open to the entire student body. Even though it was an overwhelming majority of athletes that took the course. Now they could say it was offered to all students and not just athletes. We can also assume that the unc legal team were ask about this to make sure if even anything did come of any problems the way the program was set up it just couldn't come back to athletes. Some of us seem to think that maybe the NCAA will hit other athletic programs as "falling on the sword." I don't think that will happen either simply because of it being offered to all. Does it make it right? Of course not. This program was set up to keep athletes eligible and the folks that set it up knew they could get away with it. We talk about Jay Bilas and his take on it but he looks at it from a legal view and knows that if the NCAA comes down with something they don't like they will appeal it, sue the NCAA , take the NCAA to federal court or all of these things. The world of college athletics will have to make some changes because of it or the way college sports and the dishonesty of it will change forever. In the meantime unc just got away with it. By the way I hope I am totally wrong about this and end up eating crow. OFC
 

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The penalties will be light if at all nothing and this is why I believe it. Years ago when the unc folks set the AFAM program they knew what they were doing and IMO it was those involved in athletics. They knew it just couldn't be offered athletes so it was open to the entire student body. Even though it was an overwhelming majority of athletes that took the course. Now they could say it was offered to all students and not just athletes. We can also assume that the unc legal team were ask about this to make sure if even anything did come of any problems the way the program was set up it just couldn't come back to athletes. Some of us seem to think that maybe the NCAA will hit other athletic programs as "falling on the sword." I don't think that will happen either simply because of it being offered to all. Does it make it right? Of course not. This program was set up to keep athletes eligible and the folks that set it up knew they could get away with it. We talk about Jay Bilas and his take on it but he looks at it from a legal view and knows that if the NCAA comes down with something they don't like they will appeal it, sue the NCAA , take the NCAA to federal court or all of these things. The world of college athletics will have to make some changes because of it or the way college sports and the dishonesty of it will change forever. In the meantime unc just got away with it. OFC
Agree with what you are saying but could not give you a like because it is like castor oil.It works but is nasty when you have to swallow
 
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The penalties will be light if at all nothing and this is why I believe it. Years ago when the unc folks set the AFAM program they knew what they were doing and IMO it was those involved in athletics. They knew it just couldn't be offered athletes so it was open to the entire student body. Even though it was an overwhelming majority of athletes that took the course. Now they could say it was offered to all students and not just athletes. We can also assume that the unc legal team were ask about this to make sure if even anything did come of any problems the way the program was set up it just couldn't come back to athletes. Some of us seem to think that maybe the NCAA will hit other athletic programs as "falling on the sword." I don't think that will happen either simply because of it being offered to all. Does it make it right? Of course not. This program was set up to keep athletes eligible and the folks that set it up knew they could get away with it. We talk about Jay Bilas and his take on it but he looks at it from a legal view and knows that if the NCAA comes down with something they don't like they will appeal it, sue the NCAA , take the NCAA to federal court or all of these things. The world of college athletics will have to make some changes because of it or the way college sports and the dishonesty of it will change forever. In the meantime unc just got away with it. By the way I hope I am totally wrong about this and end up eating crow. OFC
Who cares if it was “offered” to the entire student body. How much benefit does UNC receive for maintaining eligibility for the basketball and football teams? How much do they receive for Joe Student? The intent of the classes were to subvert the requirements and rigor of being a student athlete. Who cares who else attended. It could have been offered at continuing and enrichment classes at nursing homes. How would care.

When the administration admitted To academic irregularities what is the outcome? Nothing?! Not buying it.
 
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Let me put it another way. Let’s not use academic standings, let’s use academic research.

So a UNC professor is researching “rapid, enhanced muscle growth” and is looking for volunteers. Let’s say that he needs 200 subjects for his research. Now the experiment shows a 15% increase in fast twitch muscle. Of those 200 subjects, 100 were scholarship athletes and the others were just students. Do you think that would fly?
 
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